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God I loved this movie. I loved the lighting in the Wallace Corporation building, I loved the heart-wrenching arc K went through, and I'm gonna go see this movie again. My question is why the gently caress didn't they put Deckard in an actual costume. I get he's all washed up and doesn't need a trenchcoat, but... really?
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Oct 15, 2017 05:49
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I disagree with SMG about the relative quality of BR2049 compared to the pair, but both GITS 2016 and RoboCop 2014 are very good movies that deal with similar concepts to this movie. (see also: Her, Prometheus, Ex Machina, The Island, Under The Skin)
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Sinding Johansson posted:Does K have to follow something like Asimov's three laws? I have no idea the answer to any of those. I got the impression that they're programmed not to kill humans by default but that they're brainwashed regularly by the things you mention/regular testing rather than all of that stuff being 100% hard coded into them. Luv tries to complete her mission much more enthusiastically, but both seem a little shaken/WTF for a little bit as their respective bosses each tell them to cover up/kill/etc. stuff at the beginning that might involve humans. I found that interesting because if that's the case the key to making the replicants a compliant slave force that's safe to keep on earth without an artificially limited lifespan ended up being to make them even more human and into consumers. But Joshi and Wallace's respective desires for control both set their respective replicants off in a way that was going to change the world. Humans just couldn't be happy.
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Yaws posted:At leastt based on the trailers for GitS. I avoided it because I heard it's poo poo. Ghost in the Shell is, actually, good. Scarlett Johansson nearly ruins it for being a bad actor but the story being told and the acting of nearly everyone else triumphs over the elephant in the room of Scarlet's bad acting. Aramaki and Batou knock it out of the loving park whenever they're on screen, and that makes up for so much. I just did finally get around to watching 2049, and i gotta say I was impressed but also definitely felt the sloggy nature when I was finding myself actually looking down to see what time it was cuz I was thinking "how are they gonna wrap this up in like 30 minutes??" Then it reaches nearly 3 hours and just thinking there was stuff that desperately could have been cut. It'll probably get a 'director's cut' at some point that trims some of the fat like the meandering in the casino down, but overall I was satisfied and felt something. Which I was amazed that a Big Hollywood film could actually hold it's loving tongue for once.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Ghost in the Shell is, actually, good. Scarlett Johansson nearly ruins it for being a bad actor but the story being told and the acting of nearly everyone else triumphs over the elephant in the room of Scarlet's bad acting. Aramaki and Batou knock it out of the loving park whenever they're on screen, and that makes up for so much. i'm very sorry about your terrible taste in acting
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Oct 15, 2017 06:00
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She's not a very good Major. She shouldn't be acting like that much of a robot even with it being an insecure version of the Major. Also I don't think she ever like, changed her face or showed emotional reaction much except near the end.
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Just saw it in time for the thread to go off the rails apparently, but I loved it. I wouldn't say I liked all the parts of it but I loved it as a film. Some stray observations:
Gosling was great in this. Failing the baseline test would be a challenge to convey for any actor and he makes it look easy. It's really clear from his performance that K is failing this test even though we don't know how it works. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 06:28
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Arglebargle III posted:Gosling was great in this. Failing the baseline test would be a challenge to convey for any actor and he makes it look easy. It's really clear from his performance that K is failing this test even though we don't know how it works. I loved the baseline test because it was a clear evolution of the Voight Kampff but they don't really explain it. It's presented to us in such an anxiety inducing way with the tense score underlying it and the human voice coming out of that HAL wall panel, a sharp contrast from someone sitting across from you calmly and slowly asking you questions. I think the whole film did a great job of taking concepts from the original and expanding on them in new and interesting ways that still felt at home in the confines of Blade Runner.
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I saw the movie and loved it but man, it just makes me wonder what city life is like more than anything as I wonder what kind of jobs these sardines have or how society is just okay with giant naked hologram women flirting with people on the street or whatever. It was all so very bizarre
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Oct 15, 2017 06:57
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Saw this at an IMAX theater last night. Like others said, the audio effects and score just blew it away. Despite the length of the film, I loved the territory it covered, the meandering but determined pace kept me completely engaged. I would have enjoyed even more. I will probably try to see it again this week, since it likely won't be playing on the big screens next weekend.
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Oct 15, 2017 06:58
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My personal take is that Joi had some degree of intelligence and person-hood, however in the end scene with the giant Joi hologram K comes to the conclusion that she was just a program and never had any special feelings for him which makes her death more tragic, because no one will remember her as a person... just a program. Speaking of not being special, I like how one person earlier pointed out Luv might not actually have been given a name by Wallace, it just is a speech mannerism he uses and just like K latched onto the horse in desperation to be "special" or find some meaning she latched onto Luv. Neo Rasa posted:I got the impression that they're programmed not to kill humans by default but that they're brainwashed regularly by the things you mention/regular testing rather than all of that stuff being 100% hard coded into them. Luv tries to complete her mission much more enthusiastically, but both seem a little shaken/WTF for a little bit as their respective bosses each tell them to cover up/kill/etc. stuff at the beginning that might involve humans. Nah K had no qualms about harming people in the junkyard and beating up the orphan trafficker who I just finally realized, was one of the black gangsters in Snatch that tried to rob Vinnie Jones with the replica pistols. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Ghost in the Shell is, actually, good. Scarlett Johansson nearly ruins it for being a bad actor but the story being told and the acting of nearly everyone else triumphs over the elephant in the room of Scarlet's bad acting. Aramaki and Batou knock it out of the loving park whenever they're on screen, and that makes up for so much. It always baffles me when y'all placate loving SMG of all people 
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Replicants having to obey orders is just in-film brainwashing bullshit, learn to watch movies SMG.
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Oct 15, 2017 10:32
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:No it loving isn't. It isn't anywhere near as good as the original. Neither is the Robocop remake. You need to accept that people liking things isn't some kind of game being played against you.
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I am absolutely baffled and terrified that anyone could think the live action Ghost in the Shell was anything but forgettable, unnecessary garbage.  Ignoring the hilariously unselfaware whitewashing that they clumsily integrated into the plot itself, you've got stilted acting from the lead, an unwieldly and pointless cast (they added a new female character to the team...so she could have two lines), a hodgepodge of GitS Greatest Hits Scenes (but completely misunderstanding what made those scenes great) and a storyline that wouldn't be out of place inside of a superhero origin story.
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Sinding Johansson posted:Smg posts about the movie. A bunch of people post about smg posting about the movie. I'm missing how smg is the problem here. Don't post about posting assholes, post about blade runner. It makes sense that Wallace couldn't simply just program Replicants to obey. His thing seems to be just redoing Tyrell's ideas with added proclamations of safety. And how to keep their minds in check without then turning them less human than human is such a crazy complicated proposition that using cult like indoctrination and fear seems like a much more plausible shortcut. Wallace is very much a degeneration of Tyrell while also showing the limitations of taking a franchise and restarting it without any new ideas. The whole entire planet is very much worse than the original, but the Replicants and now Holograms rush to rise is a bright spot in that dank hole. K, for all purposes, is just a man born in a Jonestown cult, and decides he doesn't want to die on command.
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Diabetes Forecast posted:Ghost in the Shell is, actually, good. Scarlett Johansson nearly ruins it for being a bad actor but the story being told and the acting of nearly everyone else triumphs over the elephant in the room of Scarlet's bad acting. Aramaki and Batou knock it out of the loving park whenever they're on screen, and that makes up for so much. The director's cut is already out quote:What was going on with the hooker replicant? Did Luv happen to hire a resistance member to spy on K? The one eyed woman put her up to it, she wanted to know how much the LAPD knew about their secret AdmiralViscen fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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Oct 15, 2017 14:25
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viral spiral posted:I've always hated movies that spell things out for a dumb audience. Blade Runner 2049 does the opposite by trusting the viewer. Funny, I thought it spelled out things far too clearly, especially with the absolutely unnecessary cut to memory girl in the big revelation scene. Imagine how good the ending would have been with just Deckard going to the lab and placing his hand on the glass dome and letting the audience come to their own conclusions. It's quite telling how the only ambiguity in the film comes with a big nod to the audience that THIS PLOT POINT IS INTENTIONALLY LEFT AMBIGUOUS, DONT WORRY YOU DONT NEED TO KNOW, ITS A JOKE ACTUALLY
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Jack2142 posted:Nah K had no qualms about harming people in the junkyard and beating up the orphan trafficker who I just finally realized, was one of the black gangsters in Snatch that tried to rob Vinnie Jones with the replica pistols. That's what I'm saying though, that they're malfunctioning by replicant standards because they're given some pretty hosed up orders that they have to obey, and everything spirals out from there. But we see that expressed in different ways, like K's a detective so he falls into a typical noir arc where he tries to investigate on his own under the radar, Luv's top priority is being the best replicant over every other aspect of her job. Plus in movie terms there's a huge difference between harming and killing someone like Batman logic. IIRC he never actually "kills" a human being in the movie. He threatens Lennie James' character but we don't see him pushed to the point of having to follow through. Anyway I just thought it was interesting because that creates a situation where K has followed his orders and programming to the letter from start to finish.
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He breaks a dude over his knee like Bane does to Batman and then shoots some more He shoots the dudes with breathing masks on later when they try to take Deckard
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exquisite tea posted:The original Blade Runner is not even 2 hours long, and accomplishes a lot more in its runtime than this film. I was thinking the exact same thing when I was leaving the theater. The should have just not included the robot rebellion tease. It made the story feel too large and incomplete by pushing it into "you need to save the world" territory. The original has a tight story and complete arc for Deckard.
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AdmiralViscen posted:He breaks a dude over his knee like Bane does to Batman and then shoots some more Great examples as I mention Batman logic in my post and Batman doesn't die from that.  AdmiralViscen posted:He shoots the dudes with breathing masks on later when they try to take Deckard Fair enough.  One thing I didn't like about the replicant resistance was just that they were introduced so late. Like I would have just had Freysa make contact with Deckard directly earlier on or something but still be cryptic so she'd at least be a character and not someone to walks in to dump some exposition and then leaves.
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Just got back from seeing this, and I have to say the sex scene was completely astonishing on a visual and thematic level. A replicant having sex simultaneously with an AI and a human (who is actually themselves a replicant)?
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AdmiralViscen posted:He breaks a dude over his knee like Bane does to Batman and then shoots some more Those are Wallace's men so I assumed they are replicants.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I am absolutely baffled and terrified that anyone could think the live action Ghost in the Shell was anything but forgettable, unnecessary garbage. I'm not down to argue the relative quality of the GitS remake (they were both shite) but lol if you think your blind worship of the original isn't blinding you to the fact that the best thing you can do in a remake is recontextualization.
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:No it loving isn't. It isn't anywhere near as good as the original. Neither is the Robocop remake. I don't even know who that guy is. I don't come in Cinema often enough. I just actually liked the film despite how garbage the lead actress is. I will not deem that Robocop movie any sort of thought. it had one good scene. the rest is awful. Diabetes Forecast fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I'm not down to argue the relative quality of the GitS remake (they were both shite) but lol if you think your blind worship of the original isn't blinding you to the fact that the best thing you can do in a remake is recontextualization. What blind worship? When did I rail against the recontextualization? Wouldn't that have been the point of a remake? That doesn't change that Rupert Sanders just lifted his favorite scenes from the movies/series and lashed them together into a predictable plot. And whatever I think of the original (it's pretty good but not Oshii's best) doesn't change the lack of quality of the live action remake. The dingus who directed Snow White and the Huntsman was not the best choice. Neither were the writers of the Transformers movies.
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Arglebargle III posted:. Idgi. Apart from that not being a word (it's neanderthalensis) I don't see what significance you're imputing there. Is it some kind of extinction/replacement parallel? Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I am absolutely baffled and terrified that anyone could think the live action Ghost in the Shell was anything but forgettable, unnecessary garbage. How can they be "unselfaware" while writing it into the plot? That seems like the definition of self aware, a level of meta commentary that borders on preciousness HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:They're all really good! I think Prometheus is a step above the others but yeah.
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Young Freud posted:Apparently, the flyover was part practical effects... In the DGA interview, Villeneuve said that LA, San Diego, and Las Vegas were digitally augmented miniatures built by Weta in New Zealand.
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Oct 15, 2017 18:03
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Arglebargle III posted:Those are Wallace's men so I assumed they are replicants. I assume the people without breathing masks are the replicants in that scene
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So I just got back from seeing it a second time. A few things that I missed the first time around: Was K specifically created to track down the child replicant? The way that Luv says 'Now do your loving job' as she protects him from the people in the junkyard, the way that she seems to have a special connection to him (because they're both 'special') and the way she kisses him at the end. Connected to the above - Joi was specifically created to push him towards the goal of him thinking he was the child, so that he'll investigate it and find out the truth. After the sex scene, and I think after she gives him his name, it cuts very deliberately to ads for Joi, saying 'She'll tell you exactly what you want to hear'. Also, when Luv destroys her in the casino, she says 'I hope you enjoyed our product.' She seems to be addressing Joi in that scene, making K the 'product'. I dunno, maybe this is all super obvious, but it didn't jump out at me the first time around. Bardeh fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Oct 15, 2017 |
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DeimosRising posted:I think Prometheus is a step above the others but yeah. I'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat, but could someone very briefly explain why a lot of people here seem to hold Prometheus in high regard? Some great scenes, but I didn't like the movie as a whole.
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DeimosRising posted:Idgi. Apart from that not being a word (it's neanderthalensis) I don't see what significance you're imputing there. Is it some kind of extinction/replacement parallel? Fine, but he's still named for Neander Valley. The movie seems to be questioning whether Earth is a temple or a tomb. Wallace is a God or a devil.
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Rinkles posted:I'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat, but could someone very briefly explain why a lot of people here seem to hold Prometheus in high regard? Some great scenes, but I didn't like the movie as a whole. David. I'm sure a lot of folks could break it down in a lot more words that go a lot deeper than that, but in a nutshell I think that's the core of it. David's is one of the best characters in science fiction in decades. A sort of dark reflection of Roy Batty in his own strange way. I also happen to think the rest of the film is terrific as well, a few minor quibbles aside, and the philosophical questions within are fascinating. It's very much a companion piece to Blade Runner.
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Rinkles posted:I'm not trying to be an rear end in a top hat, but could someone very briefly explain why a lot of people here seem to hold Prometheus in high regard? Some great scenes, but I didn't like the movie as a whole. My feelings on Prometheus are ambivalent, but what I like most about the film is its central question: "What if our Gods were every bit as petty, inattentive, and uncaring as we are to our own creations?" That and Ridley Scott being a beautiful bastard who just throws everything at this movie to see if it sticks. Not all of it does, not even most of it, but I recognize and respect his ambition.
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Can we have at least one sci-fi movie thread that doesn't devolve into five year old argument about Prometheus?
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Sorry and thanks!
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feedmyleg posted:David. david is neat in prometheus its too bad the follow up david was so loving boring
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