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Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?


BGM: Praise

"Sweet."
"And what about pepper jack cheese?"
"Spicy."
"Then how about anchovy pizza? And lemonade?!"
"...I see, so that's what it is..."
"Anchovies are salty. Lemonade is sour. So what is it? Do the letters match the tastes?"
"That's right! The second letter of sweet is 'W'. The second letter of spicy is 'P', salty is 'A', and sour is 'O'! So, what does black coffee taste like?"
"Bitter!"
"Exactly! And the second letter of bitter is... Wait, your dad lets you drink coffee?"
"Nice job. You got it right, Eva-sama and Ange-sama."
"Aunt Eva, you're so awesome!!"
"We had to work together to solve that one. It's a team effort."
"And here is my medal. Please take it."
"Alright, I got another medal! Thanks!"
"You didn't get it, did you, Kanon-kun? I'll bet it was hard."
"...Not bad, coming from you, Nee-san..."
"Why don't you try saying 'sorry for making fun of you'? If you don't, I'll make all your meals 'O' and 'I'."
"'O' is one thing, but eating 'I' all the time would be awful."
"I wanna eat 'W' all the time!"
"Careful, you'll get cavities. But if you ever come to my house to play, I'd be more than willing to share."
"Yay!! I love you, Aunt Eva!!"

In the end, Kanon caved under the threat of 'I' cooking and was forced to apologize to Shannon...



Shannon's puzzle in Japanese:



Same structure, but:
A = amainattou (sugared natto)
S = shiosenbei (salty rice crackers)
K = curry rice (karee raisu)
N = black coffee
? = lemonade

The answer is just using the first letter of the taste - amai, shoppai, karai, nigai, suppai. The English version would have been too easy if left like that, since you don't have to translate from kana to romaji, so they made it a little harder by changing it to the second letter.




"Yeah. Thanks!"
"It seems the other still have some brain-twisters waiting for you. Please be careful."
"Good point. Everyone left looks like they'll be a challenge."
"But we'll win! We can do it if we work together...!"
"That's right. Let's combine our wits and move on!"
"Goodbye. And good luck."



BGM: Wingless

The dining hall was filled with such an exciting and fun atmosphere, but out here in the corridor, one was reminded of the fierce winds and the rain. But they were satisfied with this. The whole point of the noisy farewell party was to forget the loneliness of the rain for just a little bit.



"I feel relieved. Finally, we won't have to be toys for anyone else. I'd like to be quietly forgotten, to get covered with dust and vanish."
"You're wrong. We aren't going to vanish like that."
"..."
"In the world locked inside the cat box, our future will continue, unknown to anyone."
"...You're right. Sorry. That's a world that even we can't know about, so I forgot."
"Just what kind of future will we make for ourselves in the cat box world?"
"I don't know. That's why it's called a cat box."
"...Good point."
"Don't you have any regrets, Nee-san? About George-sama, for instance?"
"..."
"Receiving that ring is all you can do for George-sama. As for marriage, living together, and all the rest..."
"Our future inside the cat box is what'll make all that come true, isn't it? I'm not the only one. It's the same for you, right? What about a future for you and Milady Jessica?"
"...I'm..."
"I could break off my engagement with George-sama, then leave the island and disappear. That future is also possible for me. In that world, you wouldn't have to hesitate for my sake. You could enjoy your youth to the fullest with Milady."
"...If you gave up on your engagement with George-sama, that sort of world might be possible."
"So, since it's a cat box, the world where I spend my life with George-sama and the world where you spend your life with Milady can both exist at the same time."
"...It's a world where any contradicting dreams can exist at once."
"That's the world we'll be put away in as pieces. So, there's no need to be lonely, no need to be sad. Even though the 'me' here right now can only observe the part where I accept George-sama's ring."



The cat box is such a strange thing, a place where any pieces and toys and dreams can be kept. It's no cage sealing us in. On the contrary, being inside the cat box means being free from everything in countless worlds...

"A world where we're freed from everything, and yet where all of our wishes come true. However, the 'me' in that world won't be the 'me' here and now. That's a bit depressing."
"...Hey, Kanon-kun."
"Yes...?"
"Let's do it."
"...What?"
"Duel."
"...Are you sure?"
"We both wished we'd settled this much sooner. And yet, we've put it off until the last moment, just before the game is going to end."
"...Sure. The game is nearly over anyway. Now, at the very end... It's time for us to settle things by ourselves."
"That way, we'll be able to see our future before we're put away in the cat box."
"...Sure. Let's do it. How will we decide it? A coin? Or with pistols again...?"
"Ummm, so, why don't we have our own quiz tournament?"
"...Huh? You're really getting into this."
"Okay, then... First question-"



BGM: Stuffed Toy

"I'll solve it. I'll definitely solve it...!"

As soon as Maria and Ange crossed gazes, they started fighting. The two girls so close in age were really good friends, but they also fought a lot. Especially when they were opponents in a game.

"Maria-chan probably knows tons of different quizzes. This should be interesting. Let's have it."
"Kihhihihihi, not now. I'm the star, so I'll go after Mama!"
"Really? You're sure it's okay for me to go first?"
"Yeah!"
"Then let's begin. Ready? Heheheheheh."



Eva's Hint

4 ingots
5 ingots
6 ingots
7 ingots
8 ingots

Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Feb 7, 2018

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Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.
E. 8 ingots

Rationale: The question doesn't say anything about how many she can bring to the surface, merely how many she can carry out of the room. Starting from the surface, we can do 7 round trips of 8 minutes each, then make it down to the basement again for the last one with one minute remaining. It's not survivable, but she can probably get it out of the room at the very least?

It seems a bit weak in comparison to the last couple puzzles, but Rosa's riddle revolves around the concept of herself being blown to smithereens, so maybe they're going for something here other than just stimulating the audience's wit. Especially since Maria is coming up next, and they've probably got the least idyllic mother/daughter relationship here. Maria flipping out and crying over the idea of her mother being killed, despite how cruel she has been in other fragments, would seem to bolster Battler's aims here in trying to get Ange and Eva to somehow reconcile?

Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Oct 15, 2017

Rune Full Moon
Jun 23, 2005

Jin, did you forget to buy groceries? ... Looks like air for dinner. Again.
D. 7 ingots

Kytrarewn's rationale did occur, but if it takes longer with the gold ingot, then it's possible she won't get out of the room in time.


Screw it, I know this is gonna be another trick question. E. 8 ingots

Rune Full Moon fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Oct 15, 2017

Telum
Apr 17, 2013

I am protector of the innocent! I am the light in the darkness! I am truth! Ally to good! Nightmare to you!

....isn't the underground VIP room where you're safe from the explosion? Why would she take any out before the blast?

Though, to answer the question as asked: 3 minutes from the surface to the room, 5 minutes back with an ingot makes a round trip 8 minutes. 8 can go into 60 7 times (56) with 4 left over, which is even enough time to get back to the underground room.

At this point I'm suspicious of a trick question, so I'm not entirely sure that's right, but I'll spoiler it anyway and I'll go with: D. "7 ingots"

e: Hm. I really don't like that as even a trick answer, but yeah I suppose the puzzle says nothing about Rosa staying safe (and the siblings are certainly shown as having been extremely greedy so far). Mainly what I don't like is that we don't know how far she'd get in the last minute, if she'd even get out of the VIP room by then, but I suppose we're already abstracting away time spent in the VIP room anyway. It would satisfy the expectation of needing a trick answer that's been built up by a few of these.

Going to need some time to chew this over before actually voting, though I'll probably end up just going with 8.

Unless the trick here is that Rosa wouldn't actually be quite that greedy...

Telum fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Oct 15, 2017

Falconer
Dec 7, 2003

Did you know, I was THE MOON once!

Yes! You see, one night it turned out the moon had been STOLEN!

The animal people asked ME to take its place as I am so WISE and BRILLIANT!!
I'm going with E for the same reasons Kytrarewn brought up. The key is that you're asked how many ingots Rosa takes out of the room, not how many she takes to the surface.

EDIT: I don't think it matters how long it takes Rosa to get an ingot out of the room. If it did, then it would be included in the question since depending on how long it takes the answer would change (more than a minute means Rosa doesn't get the eighth ingot out of the room, less than a minute means she does).

Falconer fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 15, 2017

Kangra
May 7, 2012

Falconer posted:

EDIT: I don't think it matters how long it takes Rosa to get an ingot out of the room. If it did, then it would be included in the question since depending on how long it takes the answer would change (more than a minute means Rosa doesn't get the eighth ingot out of the room, less than a minute means she does).

:confused: That's precisely why it's a bad solution.

Using this logic, the answer is not given, and should actually be anywhere from 57 to 'all of them'.

I'll agree that it's probably what they intend, but like several of them so far, the puzzle is poorly phrased.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
Yeah, E. was my guess as well. Rosa can carry 8 ingots out, doesn't mean she should or would.

Zack Ater posted:

....isn't the underground VIP room where you're safe from the explosion?

Not at all, the explosives are actually all stacked right there in the next room over.

If the VIP room stayed intact surely the police would have found all that gold.

tiistai fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Oct 15, 2017

Telum
Apr 17, 2013

I am protector of the innocent! I am the light in the darkness! I am truth! Ally to good! Nightmare to you!

quote:

EDIT: I don't think it matters how long it takes Rosa to get an ingot out of the room. If it did, then it would be included in the question since depending on how long it takes the answer would change (more than a minute means Rosa doesn't get the eighth ingot out of the room, less than a minute means she does).

Yeah, the fact that the ambiguity could change the answer is precisely why I don't like this answer, even as a trick answer.


tiistai posted:

Not at all, the explosives are actually all stacked right there in the next room over.

Hm, I guess I misunderstood, then. (e: to clarify, I thought the underground room was in Kuwadorian and the clock switch thing was just a remote detonator. I'm really bad about remembering details, though, so since you say I'm wrong, I believe it :v: )

quote:

If the VIP room stayed intact surely the police would have found all that gold.

Unless someone survived and took all the gold themselves :colbert:

Telum fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Oct 15, 2017

witchcore ricepunk
Jul 6, 2003

The Golden Witch
Who Solved the Epitaph


A Probability of 1/2,578,917
E. 8 though I wouldn't advise it. I'm surprised at how dark this one is!

witchcore ricepunk fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Oct 15, 2017

bman in 2288
Apr 21, 2010

witchcore ricepunk posted:

D. 8 though I wouldn't advise it. I'm surprised at how dark this one is!

My sentiments exactly.

Zandar
Aug 22, 2008

Kangra posted:

:confused: That's precisely why it's a bad solution.

Using this logic, the answer is not given, and should actually be anywhere from 57 to 'all of them'.

I'll agree that it's probably what they intend, but like several of them so far, the puzzle is poorly phrased.

It's not as bad as that, it does specify that she goes back and forth between the surface and the underground VIP room.

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!
E. 8 It's not really contained in the riddle, but we do know how big the big the VIP room is relative to the trip to get there.

The real question is, how many goats does Rosa have to kill along the way?

witchcore ricepunk
Jul 6, 2003

The Golden Witch
Who Solved the Epitaph


A Probability of 1/2,578,917

ZiegeDame posted:

E. 8 It's not really contained in the riddle, but we do know how big the big the VIP room is relative to the trip to get there.

The real question is, how many goats does Rosa have to kill along the way?

I guess the goat killing accounts for the two extra minutes it takes to bring the gold up.

Sindai
Jan 24, 2007
i want to achieve immortality through not dying
It's just one room, obviously it only takes seconds to walk out of it. Belaboring the point would make the trick too obvious.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
maths riddles are the worst

next to those warehouse puzzles

Kangra
May 7, 2012

Zandar posted:

It's not as bad as that, it does specify that she goes back and forth between the surface and the underground VIP room.

That's true. That puts the answer at more than 8 (under the assumption that it takes 1 min. to carry an ingot out and 3 min. to get to the surface) and less than 20, which still is not on the list.

Kangra fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Oct 15, 2017

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

witchcore ricepunk posted:

E. 8 though I wouldn't advise it. I'm surprised at how dark this one is!
Same. I like it, though. The jarring reminder of what actually happens on Rokkenjima in contrast to the idyllic 'cat box' ideal Shannon and Kanon (and by extension, Yasu) has creates a really interesting dissonance. Anything could have happened in the 'cat box', but that doesn't change what actually did happen, and what we see as the likely truth is extremely brutal and sad, and it's still brutal and sad in the other scenarios.

lookw
Oct 7, 2014

witchcore ricepunk posted:

I guess the goat killing accounts for the two extra minutes it takes to bring the gold up.

i mean.....im going with E:8 but i get the feeling that there is a trap within the question.

Either way its either 7 or 8 and while im not sure if 1 minute is enough to get out of the room ill trust witchcore.

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
I'll say E. 8 as well.

Kytrarewn posted:

It seems a bit weak in comparison to the last couple puzzles, but Rosa's riddle revolves around the concept of herself being blown to smithereens, so maybe they're going for something here other than just stimulating the audience's wit. Especially since Maria is coming up next, and they've probably got the least idyllic mother/daughter relationship here. Maria flipping out and crying over the idea of her mother being killed, despite how cruel she has been in other fragments, would seem to bolster Battler's aims here in trying to get Ange and Eva to somehow reconcile?

I should point out that Episode 6 was also a Battler game and featured that coming up as a concept.

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!

PetraCore posted:

Same. I like it, though. The jarring reminder of what actually happens on Rokkenjima in contrast to the idyllic 'cat box' ideal Shannon and Kanon (and by extension, Yasu) has creates a really interesting dissonance. Anything could have happened in the 'cat box', but that doesn't change what actually did happen, and what we see as the likely truth is extremely brutal and sad, and it's still brutal and sad in the other scenarios.

That entire conversation is basically saying "Hey, you can write fan fiction about whatever outcome you want. Go nuts."

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?


BGM: Stuffed Toy

"Heheh, are you sure? It takes eight minutes to carry each ingot to the surface, right? 8x8 is more than 60."
"That's right. After all, the question said 'how many can she carry out of the room'. Rosa only has to take one step out of the room to 'carry it out'."
"Nice going, Ange-chan...! All those puzzles have really warmed you up good."
"That's right. To do 7 trips, you need 8X7=56 minutes. There are only 4 minutes left. However, you can make it back to the underground room in 3 minutes, then 'carry out' the eighth ingot in the last minute."
"Kihihihihihihi... Not bad, Ange! Nice one, uu-."
"I'm not gonna lose to you, Maria onee-chan!"
"Congratulations. Here's my medal. Now you can try the puzzle Maria picked out just for you."





BGM: Happy Maria! (instrumental)

"I've got Aunt Eva with me, and we'll solve it together!"
"Kihihihihihi, impossible, impossible, impossible! Even Aunt Eva won't solve this one! Wolves and Sheep puzzles are incredibly hard...!"

From her handbag, Maria pulled out a "Wolves and Sheep Puzzle Book" that was worn-out, well-used, and had a majestic feel to it, like a grimoire.

"You know what a Wolves and Sheep puzzle is, right?"
"I know. You show me those all the time."
"They're puzzles about using a boat to take everyone from one shore of a river to another."
"They usually have a few bizarre rules. When there's wolves and sheep, you can't let the number of wolves on either shore get bigger than the number of sheep, right?"
"Yeah, that's right! Send a boat back and forth, moving everyone to the other side while making sure that there are never more wolves than sheep...!! But the ones that have just wolves and sheep are only the simplest, easiest, plainest beginner's basic practice puzzles...!"
"When you get to the higher levels, you have many things other than wolves and sheep. It's pretty clever."
"...Should we write this down on a piece of paper?"
"Good idea. That'll definitely make it easier for you to sort out your thoughts."
"*sigh*, sounds like this puzzle will be a handful."
"There's no way you're getting my medal, Ange! Kihihihihihihi!!"
"I won't lose. I'm not gonna lose!!"





Eva's Hint

Less than ten steps
In 10 to 14 steps
In 15 to 20 steps
In 20 to 25 steps
Something else

Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Feb 7, 2018

Telum
Apr 17, 2013

I am protector of the innocent! I am the light in the darkness! I am truth! Ally to good! Nightmare to you!

"(all of these count as one passenger on the boat)"

Well there ya go, one trip, and there's still room for a second passenger!

No? Well, drat. How about :

1. Wife and meat; wife comes back.
2. Wife and cow; wife comes back.
3. Wife and sheep; wife comes back.
4. Wife and peasant; peasant comes back.
5. Peasant and shepherd; shepherd comes back.
6. Shepherd and vegetables; nobody comes back.

If each crossing is a step, that's 11 steps. Each time (except the last, obviously), one passenger is being left of the other side, which is the best you could do, so I think that's as good as you can get.


B. "In 10 to 14 steps"

e: v Hm. I wasn't really expecting a trick question from Maria, but, yeah, I missed that and it makes sense. If we just care about the people, it's less than 10 steps. If we care about everything, it's 10-14. I think for now, yeah, I'll throw in with you. A. "Less than 10 steps"

Telum fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Oct 16, 2017

CaptianKatsura
Feb 28, 2011

I'm not Katsura, I'm Captain Katsura!

The objective is to bring "each person" to the other side, so the food and animals can be ignored. In which case, you only need 3 trips, peasant+shepard, peasant, peasant+wife. So the answer is A: less than 10

And although it's not required, you can also stop the food from getting eaten if you just bring the vegetables over first.

CaptianKatsura fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Oct 16, 2017

Rune Full Moon
Jun 23, 2005

Jin, did you forget to buy groceries? ... Looks like air for dinner. Again.
Yep, I agree. Going with A.

I like how we've given up on trusting what the riddles say.

witchcore ricepunk
Jul 6, 2003

The Golden Witch
Who Solved the Epitaph


A Probability of 1/2,578,917
A. Less than 10

So in this version of the riddle, the shepherd is quite a wolf himself!

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

witchcore ricepunk posted:

So in this version of the riddle, the shepherd is quite a wolf himself!

I was gonna say- that's a saucy riddle to give to a nine year old. I mean, it's hardly the first alleged thing for children that slips adult themes in there, but one has to wonder what happens if Maria asks anybody why the Shepard runs off with the wife... Have to wonder if anyone's blushing or making frantic signals to change the subject, but it's not like that's important to solving the riddle anyway.

Since everyone seems to have decided the same (and since I am extra-shy about missing some wordplay), I'm going to say A-less than 10 as well.

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!
So we should probably assume that "rear bank" is just a typo and not that everyone is already where they need to be. I'm inclined towards A for the following reasons:

For any n objects where one must be in the boat for it to move, the smallest number of trips required is 2n-3. One trip there and back to move two things and return one, or two trips per object until there are exactly two, at which point one trip for both of them. So without any tricks the bare minimum number of steps for 7 objects is 11. That's just math homework getting that answer, not thinking about any of the special rules for these specific objects. And since it's multiple choice for number of steps, we could give a correct answer without actually solving the riddle. That just seems wrong.

Furthermore, none of these riddles since Kumasawa have been totally straightforward with no trick, and there's a number of possible tricks: the aforementioned only caring about transporting people and not humans, something about the meaning of passenger vs. driver and the use out 'you', or not really caring if something gets eaten as it'll still get to the other side inside a stomach. Whatever trick you use, it's gonna take at least one round trip off the total, bringing it to 9 or less, which, of course, is less than 10.

I am really curious why E is "Something Else" instead of "26 steps or more". Further support for my Battler as Green Arrow theory.

lookw
Oct 7, 2014

ZiegeDame posted:

So we should probably assume that "rear bank" is just a typo and not that everyone is already where they need to be. I'm inclined towards A for the following reasons:

For any n objects where one must be in the boat for it to move, the smallest number of trips required is 2n-3. One trip there and back to move two things and return one, or two trips per object until there are exactly two, at which point one trip for both of them. So without any tricks the bare minimum number of steps for 7 objects is 11. That's just math homework getting that answer, not thinking about any of the special rules for these specific objects. And since it's multiple choice for number of steps, we could give a correct answer without actually solving the riddle. That just seems wrong.

Furthermore, none of these riddles since Kumasawa have been totally straightforward with no trick, and there's a number of possible tricks: the aforementioned only caring about transporting people and not humans, something about the meaning of passenger vs. driver and the use out 'you', or not really caring if something gets eaten as it'll still get to the other side inside a stomach. Whatever trick you use, it's gonna take at least one round trip off the total, bringing it to 9 or less, which, of course, is less than 10.

I am really curious why E is "Something Else" instead of "26 steps or more". Further support for my Battler as Green Arrow theory.

well the general consensus is A:less than 10 for the point of "if we dont care about the animal or food"

I wonder what she will say regarding that.

Zakrelo
Dec 19, 2015
I'm paranoid that this time they'll actually play the puzzle straight without tricky wording, but then again Umineko has always been about trying to skirt around what words really mean. I'll go with the 'safe' answer of B. "In 10 to 14 steps"

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!
It's definitely going to be the trick. A.

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.
Japanese is good enough at discerning between people, animals and things that the trick seems likely.

A. Less than 10

Jade Rider
May 11, 2007

All the pages have been censored except for "heck," and she misread that one.


If it was asking about moving everything over, then it would be B, but since it's just asking about the people, I'm going to say A. Less than 10 moves.

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?


BGM: Happy Maria! (instrumental)

"Well, who knows? If that's as far as you can go, maybe you should give up, right...?"
"This one's really hard! Even Mama couldn't solve it! But I solved it on my first try!"
"So, do you get it? How many trips does it take to get every person across?"
"This isn't a cheap trick or a riddle, right? There's no way you can solve this straightforwardly, right?!"
"No, that's not true. I'm sure you'll get it Nee-san, smart as you are. How many trips does it take to get every person across?"



BGM: Stuffed Toy

"...Huh? Three?! How...?!"
"It's easy. The peasant and his wife get on the boat, then the wife gets dropped off on the other side in the first move. Then, the peasant takes the boat back across in the second move. Then, he crosses with the shepherd in the third move."
"But what about the cow and the sheep?! What about the meat and the vegetables?!"



"Huh? Ah..."

As Aunt Eva's mouth flopped open, Aunt Rosa started applauding. After clicking her tongue, Maria onee-chan joined in.

"That's right. The question just asks how many moves it would take to move each person across. The animals and luggage never had anything to do with it."
"They only got it because you kept saying 'every person' over and over again, Mama. Uu!"

Aunt Rosa had probably said it so much as a sort of hint. Without that, even I wouldn't have figured it out.

"Come on. I was totally taken in. That was a mean question!"
"Go on, Maria. Give Ange-chan her medal."
"Uu-uu-uu-..."

Whining like a unhappy dog, she reluctantly handed the medal over. I grabbed it, and started jumping around like a happy dog. As Maria onee-chan smiled at me from behind, her face was bright, just like a big sister's.





"Next time, I'll have a really nasty puzzle that's even harder...! One so hard that even I can't solve it!"
"No way! I'm not playing with Maria onee-chan anymore...!!"
"*giggle*. Look, Ange-chan. Your parents are waving at you, so let's go. See you later, Rosa."
"Sure. Later, Ange-chan. There aren't too many people left with puzzles for you. Keep it up until the end. And make sure you keep cheering her on, Nee-san."
"Of course. We got all these medals by working together, right?"
"Yeah!"

We dashed away. Dad and Mom are waving at me from over there. I'm sure they've thought up some mean problems. Still, they'll have to be easier than Maria onee-chan's...! I hate Maria onee-chan! She's such a meanie!



BGM: In the Sun

"Well, I wanted to play with Ange a lot. If it was an easy one, she'd solve it right away, right?"
"You really love Ange, don't you?"
"I hate her. She made fun of you and called you a stuffed animal."

Maria pouted as she said this, but her expression didn't match her words at all.

"I hope Ange finds happiness."
"I'm sure she will. After all, look at all the people here wishing for her happiness. And now, Battler is the Game Master, and he's set up this final game just for Ange's sake. After all this, there's no way she won't be happy."
"...Still, even though everyone can bring a person happiness, only the person can grasp it for themselves."
"That's right. That kid is really bad at finding Fragments of happiness. Even though we tried to teach her how, she's been covering her ears for 12 full years. This game might be much harder for Ange than Battler thinks."
"...I'm sure that Ange will find happiness."
"Yeah. If she really does enjoy herself at this party, that itself might be the greatest lesson we can teach her now."



12 years in the future, she will become the last person to inherit Beatrice's name.

"At one point in time, that kid understood my white magic."
"Yeah. And she understood me too."
"She even summoned all of the Seven Sisters and understood magic itself. And yet, she still can't use magic on herself."



"...Beato."
"It is easy to cast magic on other people. And believing in other people's magic is not so difficult. The hardest thing is casting magic on yourself."
"Is that... something Ange can do...?"
"She can. Even that Battler managed to understand magic. Of course his little sister will be able to do the same."
"You're right. There are some magics that we can only see when we're kids. There are some that only adults can understand. Right now, Ange is between the two of those."
"She's lost the magic of children, and yet, she has yet to understand the magic of adults. The most painful period of one's life."
"It's so sad... that she didn't have anyone close to her during that period..."
"That's not true. We're always by that kid's side. She just doesn't believe it."

Ange, please, realize that quickly. There are so many people smiling at you from behind, watching over you. If you would just turn around, we would be able to smile so much more, and talk to you so much more.

...ANGE Beatrice, final witch of Mariage Sorciere.

"Even if you aren't able to reach the proper end, I pray that you can at least enjoy yourself tonight..."

Have fun, Ange. So long. The time we spent together feels so long, yet so short. Even so, for me, the memory is eternal...



BGM: Stuffed Toy

"I wonder how many it is now!"
"Me too. Let's count them later, okay?!"
"It seems you've been given quite a few puzzles already."
"Yeah. Once I get your puzzles, only the cousins are left, I think."
"Sure, sure. Okay. Time to take a shot at Mom and Dad's puzzles! I'll warn you, they're gonna be hard!"
"Everyone says the same thing, but we just keep on solving them!"
"Yeah! So we'll get those medals together!"
"*giggle*. That's the spirit. Okay, I guess I'll go first."



Eva's Hint

Miyoko
Satoko
Rika

Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Feb 7, 2018

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

C. Rika. If only the eldest is telling the truth, then any situation where two of the girls are in agreement is wrong.

EDIT: I only just now realized this is a Higurashi joke. :doh:

KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Oct 17, 2017

Telum
Apr 17, 2013

I am protector of the innocent! I am the light in the darkness! I am truth! Ally to good! Nightmare to you!

If Miyoko is the oldest, then Satoko is also speaking the truth, so it can't be her. If Satoko is the oldest, Rika is telling the truth, so it can't be Satoko. If Rika is the oldest, then both of the others are lying. So that would mean Rika is the oldest.

But... Where's the trick? :colbert:

Is "Nipah" a verbal tick type of thing, or does that mean something?

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012
Unless I'm missing a catch (again(again)) it's gotta be C. "Rika", right?

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?

Zack Ater posted:

Is "Nipah" a verbal tick type of thing, or does that mean something?

It's a reference to Rika from Higurashi, AKA Bernkastel's former human incarnation.

KataraniSword
Apr 22, 2008

but at least I don't have
a MLP or MSPA avatar.
I am my own man.

ProfessorProf posted:

It's a reference to Rika from Higurashi, AKA Bernkastel's former human incarnation.

Yeah, Rika, Satoko, and Miyoko are all names from Higurashi. "Nipah" is Rika's mandatory moe vocal tic.

Higurashi spoilers: In some ways this is another clue since Rika is absolutely the oldest of the three in Higurashi, given timey-wimey shenanigans. So the trick might be that there is no trick at all.

Rune Full Moon
Jun 23, 2005

Jin, did you forget to buy groceries? ... Looks like air for dinner. Again.
Yep, going with C. Rika

After all, Rika is definitely the oldest of them

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lookw
Oct 7, 2014
Yep rika is the oldest. im going with C:rika

though....................wait, wasnt miyoko a character in higurashi?

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