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Lawman 0 posted:What if we treated capital like a utility? Nationalise capital? Bold, I like it.
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:if leftism leads to condemn the existence of highly skilled migrants who already have to deal with the most difficult immigration system to get through in the western world your brain might be seriously broken my dude Socialism is inherently driven by material self interest, not morality. Any conflict of interests always threaten to tear solidarity apart. Rather then to appeal to morality you should try to prove that there is no conflict of interest. Or better put: Inescapable Duck posted:Literally just give them a reason why immigration isn't a direct cause of their mass unemployment
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jBrereton posted:Freedom of movement for people but not capital ftw. small brain : freedom of movement for capital but not people genius brain: freedom of movement for people but not capital galaxy brain: no recognition of borders and the implementation of non-transferable labor vouchers
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Like don't get me wrong a universal world government run as essentially a worker's coop would be a top top thing imo. The problem is we need to have a Paris commune style terror first to get rid of the bad actors.
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Oct 16, 2017 16:58
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White Rock posted:Socialism is inherently driven by material self interest, not morality. Any conflict of interests always threaten to tear solidarity apart. didn’t realise MigrationWatch is a socialist organisation
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Oct 16, 2017 16:59
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Ruzihm posted:small brain : freedom of movement for capital but not people cosmic buddha brain: no states and blockchain encrypted LabourCoins
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Oct 16, 2017 17:03
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Corbyn is going to nationalize the ocean
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Oct 16, 2017 17:11
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Byolante posted:Like don't get me wrong a universal world government run as essentially a worker's coop would be a top top thing imo. The problem is we need to have a Paris commune style terror first to get rid of the bad actors. lhe problem is capital
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Oct 16, 2017 17:13
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MikeCrotch posted:cosmic buddha brain: no states and blockchain encrypted LabourCoins 
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Oct 16, 2017 17:16
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cant believe the tate is doing an exhibition about corbyn http://www.tate.org.uk/whats-on/tate-modern/exhibition/red-star-over-russia
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Oct 16, 2017 17:17
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bump_fn posted:cant believe the tate is doing an exhibition about corbyn constructivism is inarguably the coolest art ever
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Oct 16, 2017 17:23
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:didn’t realise MigrationWatch is a socialist organisation I'm pointing out a conflict of interest, you pointing and saying "that's racist" will not make said conflict of interest go away.
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Oct 16, 2017 17:25
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White Rock posted:I'm pointing out a conflict of interest, you pointing and saying "that's racist" will not make said conflict of interest go away. i’m actually pointing out that you’re starting with an axiom first widely asserted by a bunch of right wingers based on very bad stats hth
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Oct 16, 2017 17:56
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https://twitter.com/richard_littler/status/919946006627790848
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thats hell alright
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Oct 16, 2017 18:38
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people should be free, to move
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Oct 16, 2017 20:03
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Jose posted:loving lol. the article is paywalled but there is enough of it available Jose posted:also loving lol remember when the tories made family security a big selling point when corbyn got elected Jose posted:its cool imo how defra commissioned a report into how food prices would be affected by brexit that was so bad it got suppressed So it's not so much a con recession of austerity and poor loving, it's incompetence on a Venezuela level
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i wouldn’t say venezuela yet but by god they’re trying!
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Nebakenezzer posted:So it's not so much a con recession of austerity and poor loving, it's incompetence on a Venezuela level our press is so disastrously bad they're still considered the party of economic competence lol
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Oct 16, 2017 20:42
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i'm a bit gutted i blew up my friendship with a tory before i could post all of his at him
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Oct 16, 2017 20:44
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Jose posted:i'm a bit gutted i blew up my friendship with a tory before i could post all of his at him what the gently caress you were friends w a tory????
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Oct 16, 2017 20:45
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it was fun to post all the terrible things to him on facebook but he worked for andrea leadsom and apparently asking her a question when she replied to a message of his on facebook was the last straw
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bump_fn posted:what the gently caress it's like mark and jez on peep show
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:i’m actually pointing out that you’re starting with an axiom first widely asserted by a bunch of right wingers based on very bad stats hth oh hey cool an actual argument my point is that migration issues and how effects the native working class is not clear cut and cannot be brushed aside by casual assertions to racism, it has to be openly discussed also, axiom "widely asserted" by jezza as well quote:In the future, foreign workers would "come here on the basis of the jobs available and their skill sets to go with it. What we wouldn't allow is this practice by agencies, who are quite disgraceful they way they do it - recruit a workforce, low paid - and bring them here in order to dismiss an existing workforce in the construction industry, then pay them low wages. It's appalling. And the only people who benefit are the companies."
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Oct 16, 2017 21:01
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the solution is to not allow migrant workers to be treated worse than native workers so that there is no incentive to import foreigners to be abused
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i was talking to a swede about a similar problem there today, the problem there was that polish construction companies want to bring in their own polish construction workers and pay them polish wages instead of swedish wages, which then fucks over both the migrant workers and the native swedish workers. iirc they're trying to figure out how to make the laws such that this practice is illegal but idk im not swedish
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Oct 16, 2017 21:05
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the obvious answer is that the minimum wage applies to everyone so there is no incentive to bring foreign workers in to pay them nothing
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Oct 16, 2017 21:07
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Jose posted:the obvious answer is that the minimum wage applies to everyone so there is no incentive to bring foreign workers in to pay them nothing what about industries and positions in general substantially above minimum wage? bringing in foreign workers to work closer to minimum is still attractive to corporations, in that case.
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Oct 16, 2017 21:10
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Oct 16, 2017 21:15
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White Rock posted:oh hey cool an actual argument everybody and their mother in the uk thinks the economy is a zero sum game lmfao https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/reality-check-are-eu-migrants-really-taking-british-jobs
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Oct 16, 2017 21:16
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Oct 16, 2017 21:17
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Jazerus posted:what about industries and positions in general substantially above minimum wage? the solution is an equal wage for all jobs
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Oct 16, 2017 21:18
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Jazerus posted:what about industries and positions in general substantially above minimum wage? yeah this was the purported problem in sweden. there was also prob a dash of racism/nationalism where people believe that there's no way a polish construction worker could ever be as well trained as a swedish one, as an excuse to pay them less
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hey guys who are lefties who also unironically think that migrants are bad here is a man to marxplain to you why you’re chatting poo poo http://socialistreview.org.uk/312/immigration-do-immigrants-lower-wages maybe instead of banning immigrants you should try doing that whole “promote unionism” thing? no?
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Looke posted:has paul daniels been revealed as a nonce yet? apparently some girl revealed herself to be underage to paul daniels and he kicked her out of the car and drove off lol
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:hey guys who are lefties who also unironically think that migrants are bad here is a man to marxplain to you why you’re chatting poo poo i dont think anyone itt is saying migrants are bad, i certainly am not. and strong unions to lift wages of foreign workers was in fact one of the proposed solutions to the discussion in sweden
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Jose posted:apparently some girl revealed herself to be underage to paul daniels and he kicked her out of the car and drove off lol probably thought it was a boy then
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bump_fn posted:i dont think anyone itt is saying migrants are bad, i certainly am not. and strong unions to lift wages of foreign workers was in fact one of the proposed solutions to the discussion in sweden gently caress off home. british jobs for british workers
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bump_fn posted:i dont think anyone itt is saying migrants are bad, i certainly am not. and strong unions to lift wages of foreign workers was in fact one of the proposed solutions to the discussion in sweden there are at least two posters itt that unironically think that young labour voting to suspend freedom of movement is good for socialism
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