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sirtommygunn: Mar 7, 2013

Yeah wow it sounds like the Jets didn't deserve to win when you take out all the parts where they did something right and ignore the parts where the refs either nullified their achievements or handed the Patriots free points. You've made a compelling argument that the Jets would have lost this game anyway and in fact earned the blatantly incorrect officiating that directly lead to their loss.

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Jets after going up 14:

Punt
Punt
Punt
Interception
Interception
"Fumble"
Field Goal
Turnover on Downs

So your argument is that the Jets going up 17-0 or 21-0 (or even it being 14-3 instead of 14-7 after the Adams call) wouldn't have changed anything about the rest of the game? LOL

# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:34

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Ironically, mcmagic's histrionics only enhance my enjoyment of football as a Pats fan.

:chord:

# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:43

Rogue0071: Dec 8, 2009; Grey Hunter's next target.

The Adams call was bullshit but it was also followed by a makeup call in a very similar circumstance in which the defender blatantly committed DPI on Gronk and wasn't called which would probably have led to a touchdown. The Jets also benefited from some bizarre defensive holding calls on linemen. If you frame any game from the perspective of just missed or bad calls in favor of one team every game will look rigged because the refs regularly gently caress up in all sorts of ways every game. That being said, that "touchback" call, even if it was probably notionally correct in the abstract given the rule, absolutely was not sufficient evidence to overturn on review and is a really stupid rule anyway and was a ridiculously impactful call so I can sympathize with being unhappy about that. The real story of that game, however, is the Jets offense absolutely going to poo poo between the TD at the start of the second quarter until the fourth quarter and letting the Patriots back into the game by not capitalizing on their main weakness, an atrociously bad defense.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:47

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Rogue0071 posted:

Jets offense absolutely going to poo poo between the TD at the start of the second quarter until the fourth quarter

Laffo. Have you seen the players we trot out on offense? People didn't think the Jets would score 10 points a game this season and McCown is throwing for 350 against the Pats.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:54

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

mcmagic posted:

So your argument is that the Jets going up 17-0 or 21-0 (or even it being 14-3 instead of 14-7 after the Adams call) wouldn't have changed anything about the rest of the game? LOL

My point is the Jets were Jetsy and spent two thirds of the game punting or throwing picks. Outside of the touchback ruling, nothing that happened in the officiating of that game was abnormal from any regular Sunday.

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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

My point is the Jets were Jetsy and spent two thirds of the game punting or throwing picks. Outside of the touchback ruling, nothing that happened in the officiating of that game was abnormal from any regular Sunday.

Your lovely team also spent 2/3 of the game punting, fumbling and throwing picks. You just got 3 critical calls from the refs that decided the game and the Jets didn't.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:05

fsif: Jul 18, 2003

It should be said that if Gronk was on the receiving end of that fumble ruling that Barstool Sports would have already published Riveron's home address.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:05

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

My point is the Jets were Jetsy and spent two thirds of the game punting or throwing picks. Outside of the touchback ruling, nothing that happened in the officiating of that game was abnormal from any regular Sunday.

Minus the lovely call, the Jets punted 4 times and turned it over twice. The Pats punted 4 times and turned it over twice.

Let's not get all LOLJets when Pats offense was equally as effective.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:19

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Diva Cupcake posted:

Minus the lovely call, the Jets punted 4 times and turned it over twice. The Pats punted 4 times and turned it over twice.

Let's not get all LOLJets when Pats offense was equally as effective.

To put that into context, compare the skill players on each team. Jets deserved to win that game.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:42

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Diva Cupcake posted:

Laffo. Have you seen the players we trot out on offense? People didn't think the Jets would score 10 points a game this season and McCown is throwing for 350 against the Pats.

otoh have you seen our defense this year throwing for 350 is kinda bad

# ? Oct 16, 2017 19:04

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

mcmagic posted:

To put that into context, compare the skill players on each team. Jets deserved to win that game.

we'll give you this for that one game in the 2007 season

# ? Oct 16, 2017 19:13

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

evilweasel posted:

otoh have you seen our defense this year throwing for 350 is kinda bad

Our offense is cobbled together with waiver adds and rookies. You have 3 Pro Bowlers and 2 All Pros in your secondary and the 2nd highest paid CB in the game.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 19:14

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

The one that wasn't on the field yesterday?

Citing All Pros is kinda silly when anyone with eyes can see how bad that defense has been for six weeks.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 19:18

Diva Cupcake: Aug 15, 2005

I'm just saying that you should feel really bad about your underperforming trash team. Whereas the Jets are scrappy underdogs made of guys not even good enough to make the Pats roster (Ealy).

# ? Oct 16, 2017 19:30

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

What exactly do pats fans want? They want to continue blatantly being given games and people to just ignore it and pay homage to their greatness?

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Oct 16, 2017

# ? Oct 16, 2017 19:39

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

mcmagic posted:

What exactly do pats fans want? They want to continue blatantly being given games and people to just ignore it and pay homage to their greatness?

They want to rub it in but they dont realize most of us already think its real funny when the jets lose cause we had to develop a coping mechanism as the only jets fans in a school full of giants fans in the Kotite era.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 20:12

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

mcmagic posted:

What exactly do pats fans want? They want to continue blatantly being given games and people to just ignore it and pay homage to their greatness?

This is what will happen forever anyway. It's the mainstream take now.

I mean, let's be real here. Whether they have a few more good seasons in them, or if they just crap out this year, will be a historical footnote either way. Any more winning the Patriots do from here on out will just make the rubble bounce. There's nothing left to do and nothing matters. Brady's the greatest, Belichick is the greatest, these takes are already the conventional wisdom everywhere and will never, ever go away. You can start rooting for a Brady-Belichick pedophilia ring scandal I guess, but that's about it at this point. Otherwise you're just yelling out the window at global warming.

It's all wasted on Boston sports fans, too, because so many of them can't really enjoy it. They're carrying around generations of dumb sports persecution complexes because they were only really good at baseball most of the time instead of the best at it almost all the time like the Yankees were. Seriously, 99% of their dumb poo poo is Red Sox-connected inter-generational brain cancer that's metastasized into everything else and made them crybabies no matter how good things are.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 20:53

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sean10mm posted:

This is what will happen forever anyway. It's the mainstream take now.

I mean, let's be real here. Whether they have a few more good seasons in them, or if they just crap out this year, will be a historical footnote either way. Any more winning the Patriots do from here on out will just make the rubble bounce. There's nothing left to do and nothing matters. Brady's the greatest, Belichick is the greatest, these takes are already the conventional wisdom everywhere and will never, ever go away. You can start rooting for a Brady-Belichick pedophilia ring scandal I guess, but that's about it at this point. Otherwise you're just yelling out the window at global warming.

It's all wasted on Boston sports fans, too, because so many of them can't really enjoy it. They're carrying around generations of dumb sports persecution complexes because they were only really good at baseball most of the time instead of the best at it almost all the time like the Yankees were. Seriously, 99% of their dumb poo poo is Red Sox-connected inter-generational brain cancer that's metastasized into everything else and made them crybabies no matter how good things are.

Brady and Belichick are going to be remembered as illegitimate cheaters and Trumpists if there is any justice in the world.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 20:59

tarbrush: Feb 7, 2011; ALL ABOARD THE SCOTLAND HYPE TRAIN!

CHOO CHOO

mcmagic posted:

Brady and Belichick are going to be remembered as illegitimate cheaters and Trumpists if there is any justice in the world.

First against the wall when the revolution comes.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:02

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

You know how most people lovingly talk about Ronald Reagan? That's how it's gonna be.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:03

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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

You know how most people lovingly talk about Ronald Reagan? That's how it's gonna be.

Well if people talk about Trump and his stooges in 30 years the way they talk about Reagan, I'm sure we'll all be dead anyway so we won't have to worry about it.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:25

GonadTheBallbarian: Jul 23, 2007

mcmagic posted:

What exactly do pats fans want? They want to continue blatantly being given games and people to just ignore it and pay homage to their greatness?

The continued misery of all those in New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey no matter how petty or hypocritical.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:35

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

Its pretty great living in a place that didnt peak in the late 18th century and has more than just their bad accent and sports teams to enjoy nowadays tho

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:36

GonadTheBallbarian: Jul 23, 2007

Yeah instead you made the president. I'm okay with not having to bear that shame

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:39

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

If the league let donny own a football team he might not be president. since kraft runs the league from the shadows its his fault

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:49

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

mcmagic posted:

if there is any justice in the world.

tarbrush posted:

First against the wall when the revolution comes.

So never.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:58

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Real hurthling! posted:

If the league let donny own a football team he might not be president. since kraft runs the league from the shadows its his fault

Kraft also donates millions of dollars to Trump. So there is that.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 21:59

sean10mm: Jun 29, 2005; It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

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# ? Oct 16, 2017 22:00

fsif: Jul 18, 2003

GonadTheBallbarian posted:

Yeah instead you made the president. I'm okay with not having to bear that shame

Boston made El Presidente.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 22:00

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

mcmagic posted:

Kraft also donates millions of dollars to Trump. So there is that.

What kind of cognitive dissonance is involved to call out Kraft for that while being a Jets fan?

# ? Oct 16, 2017 22:11

GonadTheBallbarian: Jul 23, 2007

"no but you see..."

lmao

# ? Oct 16, 2017 22:11

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

What kind of cognitive dissonance is involved to call out Kraft for that while being a Jets fan?

Woody Johnson being a moron doesn't make Kraft any less evil.... Also if Woody Johnson is a lecherous old creep, he does a much better job hiding it which is worth something.

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Oct 16, 2017

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