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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
there used to be a labor law directive that says you must pay local wages regardless of where your company is based.

so a polish company in sweden actually had to temporarily unionize their workforce

i think some wanker eu high court judges changed that in 2004 or somethign

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bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them

Top City Homo posted:

there used to be a labor law directive that says you must pay local wages regardless of where your company is based.

so a polish company in sweden actually had to temporarily unionize their workforce

i think some wanker eu high court judges changed that in 2004 or somethign

technocracy at work ladies and gentlemen lol

Jose posted:

gently caress off home. british jobs for british workers

im gonna woo all the babes here w my sexy tales of our american rapist president

White Rock
Jul 14, 2007
Creativity flows in the bored and the angry!

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

there are at least two posters itt that unironically think that young labour voting to suspend freedom of movement is good for socialism

hey i haven't said yay or nay to any of this, i'm pointing out that there is a problem when there are a segmented workforce.

i'm all for forced unionized pay for everybody if that's an option. that's antithetical to the EU's mode of operation so...

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Jose posted:

gently caress off home. british jobs for british workers

you stole the job of an american hurricane survivor

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

hey guys who are lefties who also unironically think that migrants are bad here is a man to marxplain to you why you’re chatting poo poo

http://socialistreview.org.uk/312/immigration-do-immigrants-lower-wages

maybe instead of banning immigrants you should try doing that whole “promote unionism” thing? no?

solid as hell article. good analysis

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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White Rock posted:

hey i haven't said yay or nay to any of this, i'm pointing out that there is a problem when there are a segmented workforce.

i'm all for forced unionized pay for everybody if that's an option. that's antithetical to the EU's mode of operation so...

blaming the EU for all your troubles where it has very little power or willingness to actually gently caress you over, wonder where we’ve seen that one before

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Jazerus posted:

what about industries and positions in general substantially above minimum wage?

bringing in foreign workers to work closer to minimum is still attractive to corporations, in that case.

Here in the states we have "prevailing wages" for construction projects that state the minimum that workers of "x" experience must be paid while on a project. By law the wage rates are posted at the jobsite so everyone knows if they're getting screwed. Probably a good starting point.

White Rock
Jul 14, 2007
Creativity flows in the bored and the angry!

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

blaming the EU for all your troubles where it has very little power or willingness to actually gently caress you over, wonder where we’ve seen that one before

...

Top City Homo posted:

there used to be a labor law directive that says you must pay local wages regardless of where your company is based.

so a polish company in sweden actually had to temporarily unionize their workforce

i think some wanker eu high court judges changed that in 2004 or somethign

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Looke posted:

has paul daniels been revealed as a nonce yet?

i sincerely hope not because he was one of only like 4 or 5 people on telly i really liked when i was a kid and of them the worst is floella benjamin who turned out to be a lib dem.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
he and debbie were swingers and he made her gently caress dogs

but not children

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
the dog thing is totes true btw

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
post some evidence that is in news format because i don't want to see video or photos of it

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

JFairfax posted:

the dog thing is totes true btw

yeah you and truth tend not to have the tightest relationship so i'm gonna wait for some confirmation on that thanks all the same

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

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https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21701806-eu-may-force-labour-exporters-pay-local-union-wages-going-posted

the eu is literally working in the other direction lol

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...AAA/core-reader

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

hey guys who are lefties who also unironically think that migrants are bad here is a man to marxplain to you why you’re chatting poo poo

http://socialistreview.org.uk/312/immigration-do-immigrants-lower-wages

maybe instead of banning immigrants you should try doing that whole “promote unionism” thing? no?

My post before this one literally said the best solution to the problem is forcing all work places to be unionised and make union membership compulsory.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
although i am not wrong that a wanker judge hosed it all up it was immediately reversed because Europe has a history of judicial dictatorship (France for example) and they loving hate judges

i also loving hate these stupid stuffy out of touch pieces of poo poo so i am happy they did it


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posted_Workers_Directive_1996

either way, i think there are still loopholes that seriously gently caress with worker rights in the EU like companies claiming that using their own workers to undercut local labor are a "service"

White Rock
Jul 14, 2007
Creativity flows in the bored and the angry!

and it got immediately yellow card by the eastern block lol

also european commision themselves used the term "social dumping" to refer to this problem, i guess workers were right to be worried?

edit: hey maybe we should take this derail elsewhere and not poo poo up brit chat.

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

goddamnedtwisto posted:

i sincerely hope not because he was one of only like 4 or 5 people on telly i really liked when i was a kid and of them the worst is floella benjamin who turned out to be a lib dem.
Bad news: Wolf from Gladiators is a member of the Co-operative party but not the Labour Party.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Probably also more likely the gov't will pass anti-immigration laws than pro-union laws or enforcement of minimum wage laws

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


We're so hosed but I'm too lazy to move elsewhere

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Also I'm morbidly curious just how bad things are gonna get here.

My guess is very bad indeed and the papers will successfully blame it on Labour and the EU

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

nopantsjack posted:

Also I'm morbidly curious just how bad things are gonna get here.

My guess is very bad indeed and the papers will successfully blame it on Labour and the EU

And people on benefits, don't forget them, the lucky bastards.

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/schroduck/status/920250258604658688



britain is the opening montage to every post-apocalyptic sci-fi movie

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

European free movement laws only apply within Europe, it's not like it's an ethical or equal border policy, there's still plenty of people drowning trying to get into europe. An end to european free movement could be a good thing if it was replaced by a more egalitarian policy. Which it won't be, of course, but pretending that the EU's vision of a selective free movement that favours white europeans above all others is the only progressive choice is bad imo.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

goddamnedtwisto posted:

yeah you and truth tend not to have the tightest relationship so i'm gonna wait for some confirmation on that thanks all the same

shocking.

anyway:

There’s an urban legend that’s been going around for decades that there’s a Polaroid picture of Debbie engaging in a lewd act with an Alsatian, something she vehemently denies.

The late magician Paul Daniels’ wife spoke about the “silly” rumours to The Sun, saying: “The Alsatian pictures are absolute rubbish. They’re just silly rumours, completely false.”

Paul Daniels had previously denied the rumours in his book ‘Under No Illusion’, which came out in 2000. He admitted that there were photos – but that they were fake and mocked-up by his friend, Ken.

“Ken had ‘dirty pictures’ of Debbie. These weren’t just dirty, these were disgusting,” the magician wrote.

“My face must have been a picture and then I looked up to see him in convulsions. I don’t know who had done the job and, now that I am into computers, I know you can do magical things with images, but on these you really couldn’t see the join.

“Having doctored the images using photos from God knows where, they had then taken the trouble to transfer them to Polaroids. I could’ve killed him.”

Read more at http://www.nme.com/news/tv/debbie-mcgee-addresses-those-rumours-about-her-getting-too-friendly-with-an-alsatian-2148107#i4RmvTV7Wq5aZxSJ.99


so the picture exists and methinks paul daniels doth protest too much

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

#MeToo and Sam Kriss

I wonder who on left twitter will end up being the first out and out rapist

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

multijoe posted:

#MeToo and Sam Kriss

I wonder who on left twitter will end up being the first out and out rapist

is john leslie on twitter?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 17 days!)

multijoe posted:

#MeToo and Sam Kriss

I wonder who on left twitter will end up being the first out and out rapist

There already was a guy in New York City who was outed as a rapist a couple years ago or so. He made some big weird denial that made it 100% obvious he was a total creep.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

multijoe posted:

#MeToo and Sam Kriss

I wonder who on left twitter will end up being the first out and out rapist

i too feel an odd sense of foreboding every time i see a sam kriss tweet

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

multijoe posted:

#MeToo and Sam Kriss

I wonder who on left twitter will end up being the first out and out rapist

For those of us who don't or can't login to facebook, what's the gist?

I mean I can see from twitter that the left is eating itself for some reason today and his name keeps coming up and I'd like to know why.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We
wow it took me some time to remember what the hell PDA means, it’s like high school all over again

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 17 days!)

TomViolence posted:

For those of us who don't or can't login to facebook, what's the gist?

I mean I can see from twitter that the left is eating itself for some reason today and his name keeps coming up and I'd like to know why.

Sam Kriss, known goon, is a bad date.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

TomViolence posted:

For those of us who don't or can't login to facebook, what's the gist?

I mean I can see from twitter that the left is eating itself for some reason today and his name keeps coming up and I'd like to know why.

sam kriss repeatedly grabbed and kiss a woman at an event despite her clearly not wanting to

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Found it, for anyone else who doesn't facebook.

Bulgogi Hoagie
Jun 1, 2012

We

poor woman accosted by marxist brigand posted:

At this point I was planning my escape. How can I get away without pissing him off? Sam and I know lots of mutual people, we both exist on the Marxist far-Left. He’s a writer for Vice, the Guardian, various other outlets, he circulates around Momentum, and I didn’t want ‘any trouble’ then or later. Sam is, by his own words, from an incredibly wealthy, well-connected background, and therefore compared to me, very powerful. After the play finished he wanted to go ‘for a drink’. One drink, I thought, and then it’ll seem ‘normal’ to head off after. He won’t know how upset I am and I can forget how poo poo I feel about his neck-twisting, glass-flicking, general domineering behaviour.

sam kriss, incredibly wealthy, well-connected, powerful

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

sam kriss, incredibly wealthy, well-connected, powerful

gently caress off with this poo poo

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


I have the vague idea that Sam Kriss was Red Ken in LF, am I confused?

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

sam kriss, incredibly wealthy, well-connected, powerful
don't

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JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
lol what's happening?

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