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PT6A posted:We are in the age of disruption, friend! There is no longer a need to ask whether we should do something, all that matters is that we can do it! And who even cares if you can or not, as long as you can get some fool to fund it long enough to buy a yacht!
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Nebakenezzer posted:I never put two and two together before, but Jurassic Park is peak disruption, isn't it? azflyboy posted:Especially if the disruptive thing has an app!
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wolrah posted:I think these posts need to go together. Dinosaurs controlled by apps. Nothing could possibly go wrong... Hashtag e-Rex
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Oct 16, 2017 21:39
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To be fair, while these things are far from the kind of reliability ratings of proper helicopters, you're talking about a single-person vehicle that travels only 15-20 feet off the ground (the article says 16 feet, but the video shows a bit higher unless that guy is a jockey), doesn't have hundreds of gallons of fuel on board, and has an operating time of minutes. It's apples and oranges to compare this to a helicopter. It'd be like comparing an ATV to a commercial transport truck or bus or comparing a light watercraft to a proper boat/ship.
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Oct 16, 2017 21:42
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I mean, no poo poo this is not a helicopter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfsVjc7Dbo0
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mlmp08 posted:To be fair, while these things are far from the kind of reliability ratings of proper helicopters, you're talking about a single-person vehicle that travels only 15-20 feet off the ground (the article says 16 feet, but the video shows a bit higher unless that guy is a jockey), doesn't have hundreds of gallons of fuel on board, and has an operating time of minutes. It's apples and oranges to compare this to a helicopter. It'd be like comparing an ATV to a commercial transport truck or bus or comparing a light watercraft to a proper boat/ship. I agree in general when talking about these "quadcoptercycles" as a whole, they look like they'd be a hilarious amount of fun recreationally if you were willing to accept the risk of getting cut in half if you gently caress up. What concerns me is any thought of commercial or law enforcement use, because the main situations I can see where that makes any sense over a traditional helicopter are at low altitudes in tight spaces. Where people tend to be. Basically the appeal seems to be having motorcycle cops who can't get held up by traffic. If someone riding one of these things recreationally out in the middle of nowhere fucks up it's between them, their insurance, and their next of kin. If a cop loses control of one of these near a crowd it's not going to be pretty. Also those exposed blades would be a major liability in a riot situation. A lucky bottle throw, a net, a rope, and that thing's coming down.
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mlmp08 posted:To be fair, while these things are far from the kind of reliability ratings of proper helicopters, you're talking about a single-person vehicle that travels only 15-20 feet off the ground (the article says 16 feet, but the video shows a bit higher unless that guy is a jockey), doesn't have hundreds of gallons of fuel on board, and has an operating time of minutes. It's apples and oranges to compare this to a helicopter. It'd be like comparing an ATV to a commercial transport truck or bus or comparing a light watercraft to a proper boat/ship. The concern of course is Helicopters are flying well above obstacles, whereas that thing is going to be flying with exposed rotors at just 15' through a city packed with accidents wating to happen. Many of them also moving.
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I would agree that police shouldn't ride such a vehicle through crowds or to fight a riot. And the UAE/Dubai in particular has an... interesting... track record. On the other hand, some areas where I can see this being useful and not overly risky, except maybe to the operator in case of mechanical failure: Surveying Plenty of crummy terrain utilities work Rescue work work in swampy areas or with lots of water crossings and soft soil hosed up roads etc I tend to presume they won't just be going hog-wild screaming around streets and slamming into signs. Or rather, I presume that if they start by doing that, I'll get some hilarious videos before they write new regs about when to get the hoverbike out.
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mlmp08 posted:I would agree that police shouldn't ride such a vehicle through crowds or to fight a riot. And the UAE/Dubai in particular has an... interesting... track record. Couldn’t they put a cushion around the blades and instantly get a significantly safer hovercraft that’d be better for these use cases? Edit: I mean that wouldn’t provide any propulsion so there’s more engineering involved but the point remains. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Oct 16, 2017 |
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Oct 16, 2017 22:24
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When you get to know Dubai, you'll come to appreciate that neither health nor safety are among their primary concerns.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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hobbesmaster posted:Couldn’t they put a cushion around the blades and instantly get a significantly safer hovercraft that’d be better for these use cases? The demos don't have it, but the sales-model diagrams show a wire cage around the propellers on their website.
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PittTheElder posted:When you get to know Dubai, you'll come to appreciate that neither health nor safety are among their primary concerns. Bingo. We're talking about the capital of a country that banned kidnapped/trafficked child jockeys for camel racing in 2002. Edit: And they're incredibly proud of that.
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Well bombardier sold 50.01% of the c series partnership to airbus https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/bombardier-sells-majority-stake-in-c-series-to-airbus/article36610340/
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Viktor posted:Well bombardier sold 50.01% of the c series partnership to airbus Huh. These NAFTA negotiations are getting interesting.
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Finger Prince posted:Huh. These NAFTA negotiations are getting interesting. Wake me up when Delta somehow ends up with more DC-9s out of all this.
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um excuse me posted:People who think these things are cool don't understand how helicopters are at least somewhat safe with autorotation built into the design. Piloted multi rotors will take a long time before they can be proven to be reliable enough to forgo safety systems like that "Per Autoblog, the Scorpion hoverbike is capable of flying approximately 16 feet (five meters) in the air, moving at a speed of 43 miles per hour (70 kilometers per hour) and carrying 660 pounds (300 kilograms) of gear." That's not a particularly safe portion of the envelope for helicopters either.
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Nebakenezzer posted:That's good, because the private contractors were just dumping it in the ocean, so the beaches there were getting covered in human turds. The beaches will still be covered with human turds as long as it's a centre of finance.
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Finger Prince posted:Huh. These NAFTA negotiations are getting interesting. Out of loving nowhere. To make it more interesting airbus wants a second production line for them in Alabama.
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Phanatic posted:"Per Autoblog, the Scorpion hoverbike is capable of flying approximately 16 feet (five meters) in the air, moving at a speed of 43 miles per hour (70 kilometers per hour) and carrying 660 pounds (300 kilograms) of gear." That portion of the flight envelope is known as “taxiing”
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slidebite posted:Out of loving nowhere. To make it more interesting airbus wants a second production line for them in Alabama. I assume this is the obvious way round the 300+% import tariff - if the ones for the USA market are assembled in the USA, no import tariffs.
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slidebite posted:Out of loving nowhere. To make it more interesting airbus wants a second production line for them in Alabama. So...what the hell does Airbus gain from all this?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So...what the hell does Airbus gain from all this? The hope of selling Eurofighters to Canada?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So...what the hell does Airbus gain from all this? 50.01% of the proceeds with however much of the production costs being payed for by the government of Québec, which would have been politically untenable if the tariff wasn't on the table. And of course that tariff only exists as a negotiation tool to allow US dairy into Canada and the usual softwood lumber exemptions. It's the Canadian government securing an massive backer with the ability to create many high skill jobs in depressed areas of the US - basically telling the US government to loving drop it.
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Cat Mattress posted:The hope of selling Eurofighters to Canada? That too
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Canada should buy Rafales. They are the prettiest of the new-gen European fighters Then Gripens The Eurofighter is...not the best looking plane
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Phanatic posted:"Per Autoblog, the Scorpion hoverbike is capable of flying approximately 16 feet (five meters) in the air, moving at a speed of 43 miles per hour (70 kilometers per hour) and carrying 660 pounds (300 kilograms) of gear." So then its ground effects or? I'd call bullshit on anyone who says that's where piloted multirotor craft technology ends.
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If it's only capable of reaching 15 feet, then yeah, it's gotta be ground effect-only. Otherwise I don't see what's stopping it from climbing to at least a few thousand feet -- or as high as it can go before the batteries run out, I guess.
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These man-sized quad-copters are literally death traps. Since there's no way it would survive the failure of a single motor, having four on board just quadruples your risk of failure. I wonder how the impact velocity of a 25 ft free fall (likely landing upside down on your face) compares to a bad (but survivable) auto-rotation? Is anyone working on an inexpensive single-seat helicopter with electronic stability augmentation and auto-hover capable autopilot? INTJ Mastermind fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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mlmp08 posted:I tend to presume they won't just be going hog-wild screaming around streets and slamming into signs. lol You saw where this is talking about.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:These man-sized quad-copters are literally death traps. Since there's no way it would survive the failure of a single motor, having four on board just quadruples your risk of failure. I wonder how the impact velocity of a 25 ft free fall (likely landing upside down on your face) compares to a bad (but survivable) auto-rotation? Clearly we need to add zero-zero ejection seats to the hoverbikes. edit: That, upon ejection, the force of the rockets on the seat propel the remains of the hoverbike at the ground at an alarming velocity Duke Chin fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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INTJ Mastermind posted:These man-sized quad-copters are literally death traps. Since there's no way it would survive the failure of a single motor, having four on board just quadruples your risk of failure. I wonder how the impact velocity of a 25 ft free fall (likely landing upside down on your face) compares to a bad (but survivable) auto-rotation? I don't think these are compatible ideas when it comes to aircraft.
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Stopped by the Boeing company store after my job interview last week. I picked up what I thought was the cleverest thing they had.
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INTJ Mastermind posted:These man-sized quad-copters are literally death traps. Since there's no way it would survive the failure of a single motor, having four on board just quadruples your risk of failure. I wonder how the impact velocity of a 25 ft free fall (likely landing upside down on your face) compares to a bad (but survivable) auto-rotation? It's been done as far back as the 50's, you don't need electronics for it.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiller_VZ-1_Pawnee
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Nebakenezzer posted:So...what the hell does Airbus gain from all this? A foothold in the market the A319neo was supposed to do gangbusters in but has sold like a wet fart
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Kebbins posted:Stopped by the Boeing company store after my job interview last week. I picked up what I thought was the cleverest thing they had. That is really drat cool.
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I wish it was a two-part thing so you could make the thrust reverser noises while you drink your coffee.
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Kebbins posted:Stopped by the Boeing company store after my job interview last week. I picked up what I thought was the cleverest thing they had.  They sell 787, 747, 737, and 777 models. The last one is notably less cool because it lacks scalloping.
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Pima Air and Space museum about completed with their EC-121 restoration. 
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Lake of Methane posted:Pima Air and Space museum about completed with their EC-121 restoration. I'm more interested in their custom inside-out hangar. Desert civilization is weird, man.
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Lake of Methane posted:Pima Air and Space museum about completed with their EC-121 restoration. Wow. My uncle flew in the Navy version of those, so I guess that's one more reason why I need to make a pilgrimage to Pima at some point. If only it wasn't so loving far away from anything else. Maybe I can finagle my way onto a boneyard delivery to Davis Monthan...
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