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Whether it was purposeful effort to get him to admit guilt or a lazy decision by the student body to resolve the issue the outcome is no different for the guy, regardless of his guilt.
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Ride The Gravitron posted:The school isn't going to take the letter to court. If that's what they wanted they would have handed the case over to the police station soon as they heard. Schools generally do not want the police involved if they can. I am honestly surprised they didn't just cover it up.
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So, no, you know nothing about law enforcement tactics or legal proceedings, and due to your utter lack of knowledge in this you're screeching that a standard tactic used by police is a crazy conspiracy theory. Okay, moving on since you're never going to be convinced out of what you've confusingly decided to believe. I [25 F] want to kindly leave my [30 M] fiance/Dom of 5 years. quote:First and foremost, I'm committed to the over-ness of the relationship. It's been mulled over for months, and it just isn't working for me. Alternate ending to 50 Shades.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:31
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cumshitter posted:Whether intentional or not they're making him write a confession to get back into school. If he's guilty then great. He has received some sort of punishment for his behavior. If not, then it's a pretty hosed up situation for the guy. Ironically men have been winning title ix lawsuits after being expelled with little due process in courts set up because of... title ix https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.2bbc015acedc Personally I think schools need to do a better job handing these cases to actual police (including bringing their considerable influence to bear to incentivize said police to treat the matter seriously)
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Oct 17, 2017 05:32
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In the last two pages we've learned that if your advisor won't stop hitting on you, actually you're lucky and soon to be rich, and if a guy rapes you at college, the university will definitely care so much they'll entrap the guy to help you legally prosecute You guys need to read the news way more, especially the ones falling over yourselves to claim you're the feminististest
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Oct 17, 2017 05:32
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Blade Runner posted:So, no, you know nothing about law enforcement tactics or legal proceedings, and due to your utter lack of knowledge in this you're screeching that a standard tactic used by police is a crazy conspiracy theory. Okay, moving on since you're never going to be convinced out of what you've confusingly decided to believe. You do know the police aren't involved right. Like you are being awfully smug for not even reading the story to peddle your insane conspiracy theory. A school is not going to involve the police in their poo poo unless they have to. The fact you don't understand this is puzzling
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Oct 17, 2017 05:33
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There is zero reason schools should have their own courts
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Oct 17, 2017 05:35
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I read the whole story. You're being pretty smug for a person who doesn't seem to understand the nature of legal culpability relative to apologies being confessions. If he writes the letter, that is definitely 100% admissible in court as evidence/a confession of his alleged wrongdoing. Does it really seem more likely to you that they just want this guy to say "Yeah sorry for raping you oops" than them trying to get legal documentation of an action for which they do not have other evidence?
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Oct 17, 2017 05:36
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Literally yes, because the university definitely does not want it to become a public legal matter. In fact they probably pressured the victim to accept binding mediation instead of pursuing it legally. If the victim keeps trying to pursue it, the university will probably punish or censure her.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:37
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Blade Runner posted:I read the whole story. You're being pretty smug for a person who doesn't seem to understand the nature of legal culpability relative to apologies being confessions. If he writes the letter, that is definitely 100% admissible in court as evidence/a confession of his alleged wrongdoing. Does it really seem more likely to you that they just want this guy to say "Yeah sorry for raping you oops" than them trying to get legal documentation of an action for which they do not have other evidence? Yes? Do you know anything about colleges at all? They are pretty much little independent fiefdoms and they protect that at all costs.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:39
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Universities think they are 100% above the law. This is nothing new. See Dr. Rape-o earlier. The graduate student just gets hosed, they're little feudal enclaves.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:39
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Them working hard to get a confession out of the dude seems pretty loving stupid on their end to the point that it's the opposite of what they should be doing, then, since it means that if it's exposed at some point in the future there's documentation that it was a reasonable accusation that they failed to act on by delivering it to the police. Me [21 F] with my friendship [32 M] one year I feel like i'm the only one trying quote:I met this guy going on a year ago this November. We first met and i felt the sparks, laughter great conversation and good company. We went on several dates and continued to spend time together. Still no title or anything relationship related.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:40
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Oct 17, 2017 05:41
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Like I seriously doubt the cops waited a year and hoped he would reapply to make their move, that is insane.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:41
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CharlestheHammer posted:Like I seriously doubt the cops waited a year and hoped he would reapply to make their move, that is insane. Re-read it. This happened recently, he needs to write the letter to re-apply after the year is up.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:42
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maskenfreiheit posted:Ironically men have been winning title ix lawsuits after being expelled with little due process in courts set up because of... title ix As a computer guy I have no respect for you and your profession because you do the background stuff that enables me to talk people into giving us their life savings to invest prudently. But I agree that schools shouldn't create a parallel legal system and should instead have the support system needed to encourage people to report rape and follow through with it. I still want to add: fuk u computer bitch. If a corporation were a person I'd be working in the part of the brain that gets you laid while you're doing basic maintenance poo poo like sucking the water and vitamin K out of turds as they pass through the lower intestine, the rental space where I store cum. *crushes beer can against forehead* MARKETING REPRESENNNN
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Oct 17, 2017 05:42
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Blade Runner posted:there's documentation that it was a reasonable accusation that they failed to act on by delivering it to the police.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:43
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Anne Whateley posted:That is also not how it works. If she went to the town cops in the first place, they probably said "oh that's a school matter" and handed it over to the college. it's like a little holy roman empire but instead of the 30 years' war it's pledge week. incidence of rape is about the same.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:44
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Anne Whateley posted:That is also not how it works. If she went to the town cops in the first place, they probably said "oh that's a school matter" and handed it over to the college. Yeah that is generally how it goes in any major college. That is part of the reason the Penn State Scandal went where it did.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:47
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I think we can agree that the university should not have been handling this whether or not the poster is guilty, because they've hosed the situation up beyond hope of justice either way.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:47
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LethalGeek posted:2 things. I have been. You’re replying to one of them
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Oct 17, 2017 05:47
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Whatever, I'm moving on from it. Generally speaking, the situation is probably hosed, but if anyone ever tries to convince you to write an 'apology letter' saying that you're sorry for a crime you did, it is to trick you into giving a confession. Why do they want a confession out of him if they're not taking him to court, as you insist? gently caress, I donno. This is a pretty simple warning, ignore it if you want. In remorse for the lovely derail, have this classic. Boyfriend (18M) said dress makes me (17F) look fat, should I be upset? quote:Me (17F) and my boyfriend (18M) have been together for 3 years.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:49
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It's just generally good advice not to admit to crimes in writing regardless of whether you are guilty. I imagine this is Lawyer School 101 kinda poo poo.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:52
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cumshitter posted:It's just generally good advice not to admit to crimes in writing regardless of whether you are guilty. I imagine this is Lawyer School 101 kinda poo poo. My dad once sat me down to make me watch the ACLU videos which are basically "never admit to any wrongdoing". I admired in those videos that the person was always guilty as poo poo too.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:53
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Why aren't the police involved?
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Oct 17, 2017 05:57
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Turtlicious posted:Why aren't the police involved? I'm not really joking about universities having their own rule of law.
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Oct 17, 2017 05:58
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Pick posted:My dad once sat me down to make me watch the ACLU videos which are basically "never admit to any wrongdoing". I admired in those videos that the person was always guilty as poo poo too. i lost a lovely retail job for calling my boss a cumshitter on a facebook post and when they sent in a corporate person to talk to me about it i just said "nope, wasn't me." i knew they were going to fire me anyway so i just denied everything and cut my spending while searching for another job. it took them three months to finally fire me and the person doing the firing was really, really, really, pissed that i made them do their job instead of immediately admitting guilt and it really showed
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Oct 17, 2017 05:59
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Pick posted:I'm not really joking about universities having their own rule of law. Sometimes instead of admitting fault at the university level people will adopt those policies as national law and bomb the World Trade Center and outlaw raves via the rave act.
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Oct 17, 2017 06:00
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Inescapable Duck posted:I think we can agree that the university should not have been handling this whether or not the poster is guilty, because they've hosed the situation up beyond hope of justice either way. Yeah that's really the point here. They've come up with literally the dumbest solution on all accounts. If the post is a lie and he totally is a scumbag the school is just letting him off of rape with "I'm sorry, I won't do it again", if he's innocent the school is intentionally or unintentionally trying to falsely incriminate him. Whether you lean towards believing him/not believing him the school solution sucks so it'd really have been better off just going through the legal system.
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cumshitter posted:i lost a lovely retail job for calling my boss a cumshitter on a facebook post and when they sent in a corporate person to talk to me about it i just said "nope, wasn't me." haha I once got in trouble for sending an anonymous email (through one of those anon email services) outing someone for something bad and I never copped to it. so they were never able to prove poo poo 
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Yes it would have been better, although tbh still really bad, if it had gone through the legal system. Weird how that almost never happens. It's almost like incredibly powerful, wealthy universities do whatever they can to prevent it from going through the legal system, because it might hurt them if it did. Seriously next time you guys see an article about campus rape, please read it
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The best part was that they took me to a fancy board room and the lady firing me slowly walked up to a window to stare out of it and was like, "Do you know why I know it was you cumshitter?" "No, because it wasn't me and you're wrong. Stop trying to get me to admit guilt on this." "..." "..." "Security will escort you out now. If you want to say anything now you can." "Sorry, but I can't comment on your bullshit closed investigation where you've told me nothing. You suck at your job." I could tell she really sucked at her job because she was all trying to get me to let a delivery person give me my final check in person delivered at 7 PM on a Friday night (the day they fired me) and I was like, "No. I have plans. I'm not going to be there to accept the check. Stop trying to do this, just mail it to me Jesus Christ you incompetent fuckwit I don't care about the loving check. I can see why you would think it's important to me, since you know how much you pay me, but I'm fine back the gently caress off."
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Oct 17, 2017 06:08
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To be honest most institutions rely more on intimidation than their core powers.
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Oct 17, 2017 06:09
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Pick posted:To be honest most institutions rely more on intimidation than their core powers. Yeah they were massively incompetent. One time they let four people go because they discovered that they had called out sick but had actually gone to Disneyland based on the pictures they posted to Facebook. There was a good 6 months where their HR department couldn't hire people faster than they fired them, which forced everyone else to work an average of 10 hours of overtime per week. This was a bullshit job at one of the Los Angeles studios, so when they told me "You'll never work here again in any capacity" I was like, "So what? I've seen how you guys run a business. Why would I want to work for you if I had any clout?"
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"So what?" is the two words any institution most fears. That was me at the end of my PhD. "You'll never work in academia!" Okay, good, I'll manage a Denny's and make 5x as much.
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cumshitter posted:The best part was that they took me to a fancy board room and the lady firing me slowly walked up to a window to stare out of it and was like, Aren't they going to bad mouth you when you try to get another job? How do you leave on bad terms? Do you just leave that job off of resumes?
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Turtlicious posted:Aren't they going to bad mouth you when you try to get another job? How do you leave on bad terms? Do you just leave that job off of resumes? It was retail, and at that point in my life all I could hope to get was another retail position. And yes, I did put it on resumes and actually listed it on a resume I used to get out of retail. It's illegal for an HR person to say "Don't hire this person" and when you have worked for a large enough company all their HR department is going to say is, "Yes, I can confirm cumshitter worked here from X date to Y date in Z capacity." Like if they're checking your references you either hosed the interview or you're already hired and they're looking for reasons to fire you.
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Oct 17, 2017 06:38
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If it's that bad, there are services that act as pretend references anyway. System is messed up.
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Oct 17, 2017 06:41
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CharlestheHammer posted:Sorry there is no way your dumb conspiracy theory is happening. oh, and a cursory googling shows that these are the statutes of limitations on rape in all 50 states. Minimum time is 3 years, to no actual limit. Admission now, if the girl gets wind of it and gets the letter of apology, could in fact pull the allegations back to light and land him back in court. Sestze fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Pick posted:To be honest most institutions rely more on intimidation than their core powers. Yeah as long as they can brow beat you into adopting their ideals with sexual degradation and racism with the ongoing threat of ruining your academic career for any form of protest they can maintain some delusional narcissistic mindset that they are in control despite things like the law and society telling them no.
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