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Steen71
Apr 10, 2017

Fun Shoe
Some notes about the upcoming The Thing BD from Arrow:

quote:


The chance to oversee a new restoration of The Thing, one of my favourite films of the 1980s and my favourite John Carpenter film (tied with The Fog), was a rare opportunity that I honestly never expected to come along, given how widely available the film has been always been. It has already been remastered twice, and enjoyed not one, but two separate Blu-ray releases. It seemed that The Thing was a done deal, at least as far as Blu-ray was concerned. But once we reviewed the previous work, and considered how we ideally wanted to approach the project – with access to the original film materials as well as full collaboration with the filmmakers – we realised the potential of revisiting The Thing once more.

The earlier Universal and Shout Factory Blu-ray releases had used different 2K/HD restored masters, both sourced from the 35mm Interpositive elements. Arrow's new restoration is sourced from the original 35mm camera negative, which we scanned at 4K/16-bit resolution at Universal Post. This is the first and only time The Thing’s original negative has been accessed for the purposes of restoration.

Going this route has resulted in a dramatic leap in image quality over previous editions. The film now exhibits a finer, more detailed image with true, natural film grain and a richer, more nuanced palette, making full use of the colour range present on the negative. Details previously lost in the dark areas and the highlights are now distinct. At the same time, the dated remastering processes which resulted in video artefacts exhibited on previous masters are a distant memory. The Thing now looks and feels like celluloid as it was always meant to.

We had the great honour of working with both John Carpenter and director of photography Dean Cundey on this project. I’d worked with Mr Cundey previously on The Witch Who Came from the Sea (from our first American Horror Project box-set), but I’d never had the pleasure of working with Mr Carpenter. Our restoration workflow involved them from the start: we sent them files to review during the initial grading and cleanup work was underway at Silver Salt Restoration in London. When it came time for their final grading session at Deluxe’s Culver City facility, they spent several days reviewing over every shot to make sure colour, contrast, highlights were all exactly as intended. They also went through the entire film to assign final 2.35:1 framing to every shot. Sometimes this allowed for a sliver more image area than on previous video editions, one of the luxuries of having the unmasked negative to work from.

I gave no specific instruction to Carpenter and Cundey, as I believe no one has a better idea of how The Thing should look than they do. I did share with them some of the criticisms that had been voiced about both previous Blu-ray editions, but only as something to bear in mind when applying their final grading. Bottom line: we wanted both director and cinematographer to arrive at a version that was as true to their original vision, and as close to definitive as possible.

I fully expect there to be arguments about how our new restoration of The Thing looks in comparison with previous editions. There are distinct and noticeable differences between all of the film’s Blu-ray editions, and our release is no exception. The Thing means so much to so many people (myself included), and you certainly can’t please everyone, but I’m satisfied that with this new restoration, as approved by John Carpenter and Dean Cundey, we've delivered a better and more definitive presentation than the film has ever had before.

Special thanks to the teams at Silver Salt, Deluxe and Universal.
And a very special thanks to Mr Carpenter and Mr Cundey.

James White
Head of Restoration, Arrow Films

Colour me well excited.



CPL593H posted:

They actually re-released Jurassic Park into theaters because it took so long for the video release. Back in the 90s video releases took about a year.

And think of us poor Danes who usually had to wait 4-6 months for a cinema premiere. Americans may remember Terminator 2 as a summer blockbuster, but we didn't get it until November! Those were hard times.

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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Rageaholic Monkey posted:

The Belko Experiment is underrated as gently caress and I know almost no one besides me saw it, so for real, check it out.

I had a good time with Belko. Yeah you know who's going to live or die within the first 5 minutes but it's still a pretty fun ride.


God loving damnit, they're going to make me triple-dip on this movie AND finally cave and get a regionless player.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
That sounds too good. Going to have to blow some money on it. Wish those screenshots weren't so tiny. Will salivate over the 3 BD comparisons when someone puts them together.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!
Is that Arrow release going to be for the US too?

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth

Xenomrph posted:

God loving damnit, they're going to make me triple-dip on this movie AND finally cave and get a regionless player.

I planned a Halloween party just so I would have an excuse to buy the Shout release. I feel your pain.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Origami Dali posted:

Is that Arrow release going to be for the US too?

Shout! Has the US rights and already released it.

Arrow has US/UK rights usually if it’s independent or with MGM.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Egbert Souse posted:

Shout! Has the US rights and already released it.

Arrow has US/UK rights usually if it’s independent or with MGM.
I thought that article said Shout's release is inferior to the pending Arrow release?

RBX
Jan 2, 2011

Correct.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!
Shout's is inferior, but they have the US rights it seems.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Is there a list of special features on the Arrow release? I'm curious how much overlap there is with the Shout version.

Steen71
Apr 10, 2017

Fun Shoe

Xenomrph posted:

Is there a list of special features on the Arrow release? I'm curious how much overlap there is with the Shout version.

From Blu-ray.com:

quote:

Special Features and Technical Specs:

Brand new restoration from a 4K scan of the original negative, supervised and approved by director John Carpenter and director of photography Dean Cundey
Original Mono and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1
Optional English subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing
Audio commentary by John Carpenter and actor Kurt Russell
Who Goes There? In Search of The Thing – an all-new feature length documentary produced by Ballyhoo Motion Pictures exploring the history of The Thing, from the original novella to John Carpenter's terrifying science fiction classic. Featuring new interviews with the cast and crew, as well as authors, historians, and critics
1982: One Amazing Summer – an all-new retrospective documentary produced by Ballyhoo Motion Pictures about the unforgettable films released in the summer of 1982
John Carpenter's The Thing: Terror Takes Shape – archive documentary on the background and production of the film
Vintage Featurettes
Outtakes
Behind-the-Scenes
Trailers, Teasers, TV and Radio Spots
Still Galleries

So, not as extensive extras as Shout, it would seem.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Daniel Griffith (Ballyhoo Motion Pictures) does incredible work. He's the guy that does all the documentaries on the MST3K DVDs.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
I wish one of these fancy new restoration Blus would actually have a decent in-depth doc about the restoration process itself. The Jaws one was welcome but not very long or in depth.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

feedmyleg posted:

I wish one of these fancy new restoration Blus would actually have a decent in-depth doc about the restoration process itself. The Jaws one was welcome but not very long or in depth.

Here's the Blus I've seen with restoration docs:

Spartacus (Remastered)
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (Criterion)
All of Flicker Alley's Cinerama releases
The Apu Trilogy
The Godfather Trilogy
The Red Shoes (Criterion)
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Criterion)
Macbeth (Olive Films Signature Edition)
Napoleon (BFI)
Lawrence of Arabia (Deluxe Gift set only)
His Girl Friday/The Front Page (Criterion)

I'd say the one on The Apu Trilogy is one of the best I've seen since it shows every part of restoration from inspecting the film elements to final grading/cleanup. The one for The Front Page on Criterion's His Girl Friday release is great, too, because it shows comparisons between the surviving prints.

I think the reason why there's not as many docs has to do with rights holders being sensitive about the films. Toho doesn't allow them for their films because it apparently makes them look like they weren't caring for them. I'm surprised WB doesn't include them more often, but Criterion's upcoming The Philadelphia Story has a short doc since they were able to use the rediscovered camera negative.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



The Transformers Movie 30th anniversary bluray actually has a pretty lengthy documentary about the restoration process.

Liar Lyre
Jun 3, 2011

Here to deliver
~Bad Opinions~

From the Criterion Thread

Egbert Souse posted:

January titles!

Kameradschaft
Westfront 1918
I, Daniel Blake
The Breakfast Club
Young Mr. Lincoln (Blu/DVD upgrade - new 4K restoration)
Claude Autant-Lara: Four Romantic Escapes from Occupied France (Eclipse)

The Breakfast Club will have 50 minutes of deleted scenes and outtakes.

I can’t wait for Breakfast Club. Probably my favorite film of all time, next to Jurassic Park.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



I’m not sure they’ll get anything more out of Breakfast Club print wise, but the thought of 50 minutes more of one of my all time favorites means I just have to have it. I hope they do good artwork for it too.

Did “I, Daniel Blake” get much distribution US wise? It’s a little bit by numbers, but has great performances. Worth a blind buy imo.

Liar Lyre
Jun 3, 2011

Here to deliver
~Bad Opinions~


Nothing exciting, but that cover is a classic. For tech specs, here’s what blu-ray.com says:

-4K RESTORATION OF THE FILM, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray

-Alternate 5.1 surround soundtrack, presented in DTS‑HD Master Audio on the Blu-ray

Super Fan
Jul 16, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
I remember being a kid and wanting to be like Bender because he seemed ‘cool’ but as I grew older and more mature I realized that Brian is the person to aspire to.

trdn89
Aug 16, 2008
Young Mr. Lincoln would be my favorite Ford if The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence didn’t exist, I will happily double dip on that one

Unmature
May 9, 2008
Whiny pissboy gatekeeping snobs complaining about Breakfast Club in the Collection is fuel to my dark heart.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Unmature posted:

Whiny pissboy gatekeeping snobs complaining about Breakfast Club in the Collection is fuel to my dark heart.

I mean I loving hate that movie too, but poo poo like this gives them money so they can put out weirder poo poo like House.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



I'm fine with Breakfast Club being in it but it's a lovely movie with a terrible message like most of Hughes regressives rear end conservative poo poo.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Vince MechMahon posted:

I'm fine with Breakfast Club being in it but it's a lovely movie with a terrible message like most of Hughes regressives rear end conservative poo poo.

I don't know that I've ever seen Breakfast Club from beginning to end, could you elaborate on this?

Unmature posted:

Whiny pissboy gatekeeping snobs complaining about Breakfast Club in the Collection is fuel to my dark heart.

Do those people realize that there's not one but two Michael Bay movies in the collection?

Disclaimer: they ARE freaking great 90s action movies

FancyMike
May 7, 2007

Criterion does really good work but it's not like they're the sole arbiters of the Proper Film Canon or anything. Who cares what makes it 'into the collection'? But also thank you to the Criterion fans who paid stupid money to buy my out of print blu-rays earlier this year.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Xenomrph posted:

I don't know that I've ever seen Breakfast Club from beginning to end, could you elaborate on this?

The entire movie is that all the cliques don't matter but actually they do because the only way to fit in is to abandon everything that makes you you, and also none of the popular kids are actually going to be your friend even if you do change when there are other people around. The goth girls entire arc is that the popular jock will gently caress her, but only after the princess makes her over to look normal.

Rocco
Mar 15, 2003

Hey man. You're number one. Put it. In. The Bucket.
Breakfast Club rules. Can't wait!

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

Vince MechMahon posted:

The entire movie is that all the cliques don't matter but actually they do because the only way to fit in is to abandon everything that makes you you, and also none of the popular kids are actually going to be your friend even if you do change when there are other people around. The goth girls entire arc is that the popular jock will gently caress her, but only after the princess makes her over to look normal.

That's the 80's for you.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Got an email from Amazon saying my T2 UHD has a new release date of Dec 31, 2018. Im guessing it’s a placeholder but hoping the delay isn’t really too bad.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

FancyMike posted:

Criterion does really good work but it's not like they're the sole arbiters of the Proper Film Canon or anything. Who cares what makes it 'into the collection'? But also thank you to the Criterion fans who paid stupid money to buy my out of print blu-rays earlier this year.

Shout Factory is my Criterion. They get me so well.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

CelticPredator posted:

Shout Factory is my Criterion. They get me so well.

I'm starting to think that Vinegar Syndrome is my Criterion :ohdear:

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007
An unranked list of good niche blu ray dealers: Arrow, Vinegar Syndrome, Severin, Shout! Factory, Synapse, Blue Underground, Code Red

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



MacheteZombie posted:

An unranked list of good niche blu ray dealers: Arrow, Vinegar Syndrome, Severin, Shout! Factory, Synapse, Blue Underground, Code Red

The only ones of those I'm familiar with are Shout and Arrow, what do the others cater to?

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Xenomrph posted:

The only ones of those I'm familiar with are Shout and Arrow, what do the others cater to?

A lot of B level and below horror, but also a general variety of genres. Most of them also carry restored version of erotica flicks, which is super interesting to me, though I admit I haven't bought any. Debating getting SexWorld in the near future though.

e: links might be helpful:

http://www.blue-underground.com/
http://synapse-films.com/
https://severin-films.com/
https://vinegarsyndrome.com/


They each have some interesting gems for purchase, and unlike Arrow most will be US region so no need to buy a regionfree player. Vinegar Syndrome does a really cool pre-order package deal that I haven't seen anywhere else. Severin has recently started this program where certain films/directors will have pins released with their blurays if you enjoy extra stuff. I pre-ordered the Devil's Honey from them to get the slip cover featuring a guy playing his sax into a woman's vagina and it also came with a Lucio Fulci pin. The first in the series.

MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Oct 17, 2017

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



MacheteZombie posted:

A lot of B level and below horror, but also a general variety of genres. Most of them also carry restored version of erotica flicks, which is super interesting to me, though I admit I haven't bought any. Debating getting SexWorld in the near future though.

e: links might be helpful:

http://www.blue-underground.com/
http://synapse-films.com/
https://severin-films.com/
https://vinegarsyndrome.com/


They each have some interesting gems for purchase, and unlike Arrow most will be US region so no need to buy a regionfree player. Vinegar Syndrome does a really cool pre-order package deal that I haven't seen anywhere else. Severin has recently started this program where certain films/directors will have pins released with their blurays if you enjoy extra stuff. I pre-ordered the Devil's Honey from them to get the slip cover featuring a guy playing his sax into a woman's vagina and it also came with a Lucio Fulci pin. The first in the series.

Awesome, thanks for the links and info! I'll check them out after work. :cheers:

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Xenomrph posted:

Awesome, thanks for the links and info! I'll check them out after work. :cheers:

No prob! Hope you find some must buys. Most of them are pretty small distributors, iirc. Severin's Devil's Honey release was delayed due to a manufacturing delay with the slip covers and when the person from Severin emailed me about it he said he was filling the orders on his own so it'd take an extra few days. Could have been an anomaly though.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
The forums ate my effort post about Vinegar Syndrome, but I'll sum it up this time since I'm still at work.

They focus on grindhouse type films that are virtually forgotten. You get some weird genres, off-brand horror, exploitation, etc. About half of their catalog is porn that was shot on film. Their main focus really is to restore and preserve films that normally would have been forgotten and left to, well turn to vinegar.

To touch on the packages, they have monthly pre-orders which show up on the site. In May they had their "Half-Way to Black Friday" sale and offered a blind pre-order for the back half of this year, and I haven't had any complaints, and come Black Friday, if I have the cash on hand, I'm definitely going to blind pre-order all of 2018.

This should go without saying, but their site is definitely NSFW right below the surface.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Flicker Alley is probably my favorite niche studio because they release stuff no one else really would, besides Kino. Except they are almost obsessive about quality. Top-notch encodes for the most part, 2K and 4K restorations, and gorgeous packaging (Criterion cases and always with booklets).

I have the American Avant-Garde, 3-D Rarities, Early Women Filmmakers, and Mack Sennett sets, plus two Cinerama films. I've been meaning to get more of their regular releases like restorations of The Lost World, Behind the Door, Children of Divorce, Too Late for Tears, and Nanook of the North. They also have second volumes coming up of Mack Sennett comedies and 3-D rarities, plus what seems to be the most comprehensive set of Fatty Arbuckle films ever released.

https://www.flickeralley.com

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!
Edit: wrong thread.

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Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Next wave of Warner Archive releases: Summer of '42, Doc Hollywood, Auntie Mame, Battle Cry, and Dolores Claiborne.

Also, Kino Lorber confirmed they're working on Kundun.

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