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MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Halloween Jack posted:

Matt kept interrupting Amber on this episode. I want to know if he's resigning from the Original Dry Boys and taking a step back from the business industry until he puts out an Inebriated Past self-criticism solo episode.

he's going to form his own podcast, Matt's Going Their Own Way

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:13

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# ? May 9, 2024 04:30

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Henchman of Santa posted:

The latest leftist to be accused of sexual assault/harassment: Sam Kriss
https://www.facebook.com/notes/monitoring-the-lefts-support-for-r-pe-culture/metoo-and-sam-kriss/1518056408275666/

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:34

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Lord Frisk posted:

Just had Tim Faust up to speak in Marquette MI. You guys need to see him live. He's a firebrand.

I like Tim but it's very weird that he's made a gig out of getting fired up and saying the same things a lot of people have been saying about healthcare for years and years. Nothing he says isn't something I've heard hundreds of times elsewhere. I guess it's an audience or generational thing.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:44

Skyscraper: Oct 1, 2004; Hurry Up, We're Dreaming

incoherent posted:

(and attacking the Olympics of all things)

People already got to this, but it's awesome to oppose the olympics. One of the Street Fight call-in shows had a caller who was part of the Nolympics campaign to end olympics in LA and also everywhere else, and they talked for a while about how awesome an idea that is.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:46

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

Henchman of Santa posted:

The latest leftist to be accused of sexual assault/harassment: Sam Kriss
https://www.facebook.com/notes/monitoring-the-lefts-support-for-r-pe-culture/metoo-and-sam-kriss/1518056408275666/

I wonder if he is even going to acknowledge the accusations.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:48

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

What's the facebook thing say, for those without facebooks.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:52

dangerdoom volvo: Nov 5, 2009

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

What's the facebook thing say, for those without facebooks.

sam kriss went on a date and was a drunk rear end

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:53

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

https://pastebin.com/paWQUzCK for those without facebook.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:56

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

What's the facebook thing say, for those without facebooks.

quote:

#MeToo and Sam Kriss
MONITORING THE LEFT'S SUPPORT FOR R PE CULTURE�TUESDAY, OCTOBER 17, 2017

CW: sexual harassment and sexual aggression

I had hoped I would never have to write this account. But watching a man who repeatedly groped me, twisted my neck to forcibly kiss me, ignored any attempt I made to stop him, and refused to �let me� drink non-alcohol, unashamedly attack feminists online, use misogynist language, singling out women for ridicule time and time again, means I�ve not really been able to forget. With the growing #metoo hashtag there is a context of growing urgency for �calling out� men who sexually harass women. Men who see nothing wrong in sexual aggression, nothing wrong in breaking women�s boundaries, for who the pursuit of sexual contact is undertaken as some sort of mission to make a woman submit to them. This kind of confident, unbridled sexual aggression, founded on an absolute sexism and misogyny, is particularly dangerous. I can no longer bear watching this man behave with total impunity and I feel it�s a duty to warn women about him.

I confided in close friends about what happened at the time, but really hoped to never have to publicly recount the humiliating and degrading experiences I was dealt by Sam Kriss.

I met Sam �on Twitter�. I invited him to a talk at my alma mater. Unfortunately, tickets sold out too soon and Sam suggested instead we go for a drink. I chose a pub near where I was living at the time.

There were a lot of warning signs on this �first date�. I hope to not have to recount them. Similarly, there were a few warnings signs when I bumped into him at a friend�s book launch. But it�s the third time I ever met Sam that I feel compelled to speak out about because this is when his behaviour escalated.

I felt an odd sense of foreboding before I saw him again. I could tell already he felt a natural authority over me. I nearly cancelled, but felt obscene wasting theatre tickets.

Once we were inside the packed theatre, Sam began forcing his tongue into my mouth. I said to him, jokingly, but also seriously, �I don�t think we should kiss here - we might make the old folk jealous of our youthful affections�. Sam replied, �Well, if you�ve got it, flaunt it, I say!� pressing his face on mine again. Someone directly behind us (it was tightly packed, the audience sat on school chairs, someone�s knees touching my back, shoulder-to-shoulder) said, �eurgh� and I pushed Sam away saying, �I�m not really a fan of PDAs�.

Next, I felt Sam putting his arm round me. Phew, that�s better, some mild affection, not a mauling, I thought. Turns out he wasn�t putting his arm round me, but behind me, to place his hand on the back of my neck, so as to twist my head to face his, wherein, he again forcibly kissed me. This physically hurt. �Honestly, I don�t like PDAs. People can see�. Sam, considerately, then ceased until the next few moments when the lights went dark � ensuring no one could see � where he again somehow found my mouth with his during those few seconds of darkness before the play began. I was in a now silent theatre; I could either make a scene at the start of the play or stifle how this felt. Who the hell �makes out� in a crowded theatre? I felt gross. Who twists someone�s neck to kiss them?

Sam�s particular insistence on alcohol had been present during the two times I�d see him before, but at the theatre it went to a new level:
During the break I said I was going across the road to Tesco to get a sandwich. The conversation went something like:
�I�m going to the bar, what do you want to drink?� he asked.

�Orange juice�

�We�re at the theatre, I�m not buying you orange juice. What do you want that�s alcoholic?�

�Actually, I�ve got a head ache and could really do with something non-alcoholic�.

�What alcohol do you typically have with orange juice?�.

�Uhh, vodka, but I really don�t want to drink��

�We�re at the theatre � I�m not buying you vodka. Wine. Wine is what you drink at the theatre. I�m buying you wine�.

Back in our seats I didn�t touch the wine. Sam began flicking his finger against the glass, commanding, �drink� (flick), �drink (flick), �I bought you this drink. Drink it� (flick).

�I really don�t want to. I didn�t want it�, I uttered these words alongside various other meagre protests. We watched the next act, Sam eventually drank �my� wine himself.

At this point I was planning my escape. How can I get away without pissing him off? Sam and I know lots of mutual people, we both exist on the Marxist far-Left. He�s a writer for Vice, the Guardian, various other outlets, he circulates around Momentum, and I didn�t want �any trouble� then or later. Sam is, by his own words, from an incredibly wealthy, well-connected background, and therefore compared to me, very powerful. After the play finished he wanted to go �for a drink�. One drink, I thought, and then it�ll seem �normal� to head off after. He won�t know how upset I am and I can forget how poo poo I feel about his neck-twisting, glass-flicking, general domineering behaviour.

At the pub I headed straight to the bar to order drinks myself, so I could decide what I drank. Sam wasn�t going to let this happen. He started to tell the woman behind the bar I wanted �vodka in that orange juice�. So persistently and convincingly she checked with me twice whether I really did?

�I really don�t�, I said.

�She actually does�, he said, �just put it in�.

I went to sit outside on the street, putting chairs on opposite sides of a table, hoping it would mean Sam kept his distance. It did, until we were told drinking outside was over and we had to head in. Once sat indoors, not across a table and within reach, Sam immediately began trying to kiss me again.

�I really don�t want to do this here and now�.

�But look, they�re doing it!� he said, pointing at a couple in the corner sucking-face like there was no tomorrow.

�I guess they maybe feel out of view in the corner, or something�, at which point Sam grabbed my arm and led me over to seats at the side wall of the pub.

There was more general grabbing, pressing his mouth against mine and even putting his hand on my breasts. I grimaced, put up with the kissing, but freaked out at the breast touching, pulling away. How is touching someone�s breasts in public normal?! Are women in pubs sex show fodder for onlookers?! I wish I�d caused a scene, but I was so embarrassed at this car crash of an evening and felt worried what Sam might do. I got up to go to the loo, Sam smacking my backside, hard, as I walked past. I felt as if trapped in some sort of hyper heterosexist hellscape.
When I returned I sat away from him. Then the various manoeuvres to get me to go home with him began. I want to relay precisely how he first suggested this because it demonstrates a willingness to laud wealth (and thus power).

Sam said, �so do you want to come back to mine to see my massive house?�

�Don�t you mean your parents massive house?�

�Yeah, but when they die I�ll inherit it�

I told Sam I didn�t want to go back to his parent�s house. I told him I was actually seeing someone else, which was an excuse. I did not want to enrage a man who had made it very clear my own boundaries, choices and autonomy were entirely dismissible him.
We talked for about an hour, with me trying to make it clear I wasn�t interested in going home with him. But this only caused Sam to go into overdrive. He bragged about getting �kicked out� of a Frat House in America, but that it didn�t matter as, �18-year-old boys only join Frat Houses to procure alcohol and women, and I was 21, so I could procure my own alcohol and women�.

After what I felt was a �normal� amount of time to talk, so that he didn�t feel incensed at being dismissed etc. I said I was heading home.
�Haha, but we�re in West London, you don�t know where you are! You�re stranded, you�ll have to come back to mine.�
�Nope, the bus stop outside takes me to UCL and I can walk home from there.�

Sam walked with me to the bus stop I intended to use, still trying to persuade me to go back to his house.
�If you stay over I�ll buy you breakfast � I always buy them breakfast�

�No thanks, honestly, I�m too tired�

�We don�t have to have sex if you come to mine�.

This went on for some time. There were a series of ploys to wear me down and get me to agree, �but I don�t care if you�re seeing someone else!�
�You�ll regret it - I won�t be single forever!�

After realising that I really wasn�t returning home with him, he began forcibly �snogging� (I can hardly call it kissing given it was so aggressive) me at the bus stop. I turned my head away so it was out of reach, to which Sam started grabbing at my breasts with both hands. There were, rather mortifyingly, other people at the bus stop trying to ignore this scene. I felt so embarrassed, so I moved to the doorway behind the bus stop � this moving away was taken not as, �please leave me alone�, but as if I had gone to the doorway for us to have more privacy and thus intimacy. At this point Sam actually put his hands up underneath my top to touch my breasts. I protested with statements like, �Sam, seriously, can we not�, �we are outside on the street�, trying to remind him I was not ok with this, but not show any anger in case it escalated his behaviour.

Thankfully, my bus soon arrived. The sense of relief! But as I walked towards the bus, Sam grabbed hold of me. I continued to move, or try to move in the direction of the bus, my jacket lifted up at the back and sides almost horizontally because he held onto it. I managed to tug away. Then, I got on the bus only to find Sam jumping on behind me, announcing, �Well, if you aren�t coming back to mine, I�m coming to yours!�
At this, I told the driver, �he�s not serious�, gave him a hug goodbye and in doing so walked him backwards out the bus doors. I basically pushed him off the final step. �Go, go, drive�, I told the driver. Sam�s face of utter open mouthed astonishment at the bus stop was incredible � either astonished that he had basically been hug-shoved off a bus or that the insistent pressuring hadn�t worked.

What was my response at the time? I sent Sam a �hope you got home ok� message, hoping to smooth over the abrupt bus ending. I also stayed friends with him on FB and continue to Follow him on Twitter � I do not want to be in the dark about his whereabouts and hope to avoid any event he might be in attendance at.

I really don�t understand why a man would believe a woman trying to ignore his advances, going limp, telling him she doesn�t like what he�s doing, wants him to continue. Well, I do; some men don�t care whether women desire or don�t desire sexual contact with them.
It�s otherwise basic: being on a date doesn�t mean you can grab a woman�s breasts in public. Surely everyone knows it is not normal to grab women�s breasts in public? If a woman states she isn�t into public displays of affection, don�t twist her neck to forcibly kiss her. If she doesn�t want to go home with you, do not try to wear her down, either into submission through alcohol or hoping she�s �stranded� so can�t get home. Don�t follow women onto buses, especially any that have stated they do not wish to go home with you.

All the friends who I told what happened afterwards were shocked. I am no longer shocked when men who are misogynistic online manifest it in real life.

In our society women are not thought to have sexual autonomy, or deserving of choices, bar those men give them. We have a choice of how to react to boundary-breaking men, who believe domination and subservience is the natural way of social relations between men and women. Well, I�m sick of shutting up about this insidious crap any longer.

I could write of other incidents that occurred across the 3 times I met him, some could be considered worse, but I think detailing that one evening gives a clear picture.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:56

Apoplexy: Mar 9, 2003; by Shine

Hey, it's another leftist being smeared by accusations. I wonder if this one will pan out to be false like the (at least) two previous ones!

# ? Oct 17, 2017 15:57

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Thank you for the repost, for those without facebooks.

That SUCKS!

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:02

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Apoplexy posted:

Hey, it's another leftist being smeared by accusations. I wonder if this one will pan out to be false like the (at least) two previous ones!

I bet it will not

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:02

Antares: Jan 13, 2006

"disagrees with women online" gets really high billing in this accusation

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:04

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Hey, what if that "Post an unpopular opinion" meme meant posting stuff that's actually controversial?

Like, I'm confused about how to square #BelieveWomen when the account is posted on a "Monitoring the Left" Facebook group that reposts TERF garbage and thinks Julian Assange is a leftist.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:06

Skyscraper: Oct 1, 2004; Hurry Up, We're Dreaming

Huzanko posted:

#MeToo and Sam Kriss

TomViolence posted:

https://pastebin.com/paWQUzCK for those without facebook.

Thanks for posting this without the facebook.
It's good that he groped someone interested in watching the left's support for r pe culture specifically, being that he is on the left. If someone else had done it it wouldn't have dovetailed so nicely with this poster's apparent interests.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:06

CortezFantastic: Aug 10, 2003; I SEE DEMONS

love writing about the workers revolution in my parents massive home in between fun theater dates!

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:07

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Halloween Jack posted:

Hey, what if that "Post an unpopular opinion" meme meant posting stuff that's actually controversial?

Like, I'm confused about how to square #BelieveWomen when the account is posted on a "Monitoring the Left" Facebook group that reposts TERF garbage and thinks Julian Assange is a leftist.

I have the same reservations about the page.

Also, the online right knows and hates the #BelieveWomen campaign and it's not much of a leap to think they're going to use it against leftists when they've shown they're perfectly willing to astroturf information if it means tarring opposition and advancing their goals.

The right always does what it accuses the left of doing.

I don't think leftists are above sexual assault and sexism - there's sexual assault and sexism in some capacity anywhere men exist. Even if some accusations are false, it's enough FUD to cause rifts and make sure leftists get back to in-fighting and stop looking at what the right is doing.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:13

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The only thing more leftist than in-fighting is punk-house sex abuse cover ups.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:15

CortezFantastic: Aug 10, 2003; I SEE DEMONS

maybe having podcasters and writers as thought leaders of the left was a bad idea considering it has resulted in nothing but poo poo storms and no real policies or candidates being put forward

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:16

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

The only thing more leftist than in-fighting is punk-house sex abuse cover ups.

Eh? I don't think anything should be covered up. Just saying that the right is going to be making up stories like this whole cloth - there was a post on /pol/ and 8Chan about it, which has disappeared.

The left's greatest weakness is that they want to do good and be seen as doing good. That's easily used against them. The right's only goal is to win and maintain power at any cost; they have an immense advantage.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:19

padijun: Feb 5, 2004; murderbears forever

Huzanko posted:

I like Tim but it's very weird that he's made a gig out of getting fired up and saying the same things a lot of people have been saying about healthcare for years and years. Nothing he says isn't something I've heard hundreds of times elsewhere. I guess it's an audience or generational thing.

Sure the information has always been there, but Tim is the first I've seen who's engaging while going into the specifics of something as dry as it is important. The alternative seems to always be at best, an easily digestible infographic, at worst a 40 page PDF

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:20

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

CortezFantastic posted:

maybe having podcasters and writers as thought leaders of the left was a bad idea considering it has resulted in nothing but poo poo storms and no real policies or candidates being put forward

Chapo has said many times that their podcast is not politics but entertainment. However, it's natural for people to crowd around cults of personality and the only other inspiring figures of note on the left are very old - Warren, Sanders, Corbyn. That's not good.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:21

Skyscraper: Oct 1, 2004; Hurry Up, We're Dreaming

CortezFantastic posted:

maybe having podcasters and writers as thought leaders of the left was a bad idea considering it has resulted in nothing but poo poo storms and no real policies or candidates being put forward

That was never the plan. Why not just go all the way and say "no real policies or candidates being put forward on the left was a bad idea"

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:22

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

padijun posted:

Sure the information has always been there, but Tim is the first I've seen who's engaging while going into the specifics of something as dry as it is important. The alternative seems to always be at best, an easily digestible infographic, at worst a 40 page PDF

I am probably just biased since my mom worked in healthcare on the provider end but with insurance companies so I've learned a lot through conversational osmosis and am taking it for granted.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:22

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Huzanko posted:

Eh? I don't think anything should be covered up. Just saying that the right is going to be making up stories like this whole cloth - there was a post on /pol/ and 8Chan about it, which has disappeared.

The left's greatest weakness is that they want to do good and be seen as doing good. That's easily used against them. The right's only goal is to win and maintain power at any cost; they have an immense advantage.

I don't think you have to immediately circle the wagons in this situation, unless you actually believe that a false accusation of sexual abuse is enough to ruin the carrier of a male public figure.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:24

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Closing ranks is definitely not a good look and the left has kind of hosed itself over by pushing the rhetoric of unconditionally believing victims so we'd look like massive hypocrites by not taking the allegations seriously.

It's pretty much the perfect mousetrap, however you react it's going to serve the rhetorical purposes of the right.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:34

Godzilla07: Oct 4, 2008

Huzanko posted:

Chapo has said many times that their podcast is not politics but entertainment.

It might have been like this pre-election, but Chapo really blurs those lines due to their all-but-official association with the DSA. If Chapo was just entertainment for example, the controversy over the Cosby joke wouldn�t have blown up like it did.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:35

Halloween Jack: Sep 12, 2003; I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

The best advice I've gotten is "Believe victims when you are actually hearing the victim's story, not a news story collating a bunch of rumours with no specifics."

Huzanko posted:

Also, the online right knows and hates the #BelieveWomen campaign and it's not much of a leap to think they're going to use it against leftists when they've shown they're perfectly willing to astroturf information if it means tarring opposition and advancing their goals.

The right always does what it accuses the left of doing.

In that light, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at TERFs finding common cause with the Right on this like they do on so many other things.

quote:

I don't think leftists are above sexual assault and sexism - there's sexual assault and sexism in some capacity anywhere men exist. Even if some accusations are false, it's enough FUD to cause rifts and make sure leftists get back to in-fighting and stop looking at what the right is doing.

Related to this: I know that Hillary Clinton does have fans, that they're overrepresented on Twitter, and that some of them are such perfect caricatures that they seem unreal. But when I see Twitter accounts that are like 90% anti-Sanders, 10% how-dare-you-sirring at Trump, and 0% posting about anything they are actually for, I find it hard to believe that a real human being would do this in their free time because of their deeply held convictions. They don't appear to be bots, but I can't believe someone would make this their hobby.

So when I see accounts that exist to do nothing but "monitor" the Left, and the people running it don't actually seem to know or discuss the history of minority rights being sidelined on the Left, I'm instantly suspicious.

CortezFantastic posted:

maybe having podcasters and writers as thought leaders of the left was a bad idea considering it has resulted in nothing but poo poo storms and no real policies or candidates being put forward

I'd say that support for Medicare for All, a living wage, and curbing police brutality is pretty real. It's true that like, Katie Halper isn't running for office or anything, but Idunno how you'd measure the success of Left media figures. Would we need something like a Chapo host being made the "unofficial chairman" of the Democratic Party like Limbaugh was for the Republicans?

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:38

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

Sam Kriss responded. He owned up to it but says the story misses key details like being in an existing sexual relationship

https://medium.com/@samkriss/today-an-allegation-of-sexual-harassment-and-aggression-was-made-against-me-and-i-want-to-address-ecc1739d85a2

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:43

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

A Gnarlacious Bro posted:

I don't think you have to immediately circle the wagons in this situation, unless you actually believe that a false accusation of sexual abuse is enough to ruin the carrier of a male public figure.

Nah, I wouldn't circle the wagons or whatever other metaphor you want to use. I generally just advise anyone to treat third-part accounts of anything by anyone at face-value. Many people seem to have this inclination to treat the internet like it's the press we wish we had.

People lie online all the time, and lie by omission, and exaggerate, and leave details out to serve their purposes, and wrapped up in all this is a financial motivation online outlets have to get clicks.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:47

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Spoeank posted:

Sam Kriss responded. He owned up to it but says the story misses key details like being in an existing sexual relationship

https://medium.com/@samkriss/today-an-allegation-of-sexual-harassment-and-aggression-was-made-against-me-and-i-want-to-address-ecc1739d85a2

Wow, big if true

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:49

TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

This whole brief resurgance of socialism's popularity has been great guys but I reckon the returning impulse towards struggle sessions and circular firing squads is going to make it miserable and unsustainable again before long. Mark Fisher was right about everything, including killing himself.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:52

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

TomViolence posted:

Mark Fisher was right about everything, including killing himself.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:53

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Halloween Jack posted:

The best advice I've gotten is "Believe victims when you are actually hearing the victim's story, not a news story collating a bunch of rumours with no specifics."

In that light, I guess I shouldn't be surprised at TERFs finding common cause with the Right on this like they do on so many other things.

Related to this: I know that Hillary Clinton does have fans, that they're overrepresented on Twitter, and that some of them are such perfect caricatures that they seem unreal. But when I see Twitter accounts that are like 90% anti-Sanders, 10% how-dare-you-sirring at Trump, and 0% posting about anything they are actually for, I find it hard to believe that a real human being would do this in their free time because of their deeply held convictions. They don't appear to be bots, but I can't believe someone would make this their hobby.

So when I see accounts that exist to do nothing but "monitor" the Left, and the people running it don't actually seem to know or discuss the history of minority rights being sidelined on the Left, I'm instantly suspicious.

I'd say that support for Medicare for All, a living wage, and curbing police brutality is pretty real. It's true that like, Katie Halper isn't running for office or anything, but Idunno how you'd measure the success of Left media figures. Would we need something like a Chapo host being made the "unofficial chairman" of the Democratic Party like Limbaugh was for the Republicans?

A former boss of mine would say "people are complicated" when faced with stuff like this.

Another former boss of mine and a current friend of mine - both female, both long-time feminists and activist-ish - are mostly fiscally conservative and line right up with Republicans on a lot of points. We agree on a lot but hearing them say "Yeah, but look at the taxes people pay for UHC" and things like that for the first time was jarring.

The point is that though it can be hard to see online, people square the circle on this stuff all the time and fail to see the interlinked issues that paint the big picture of what is wrong with this country. Republicans, meanwhile, are always united in hatred of the other even if they pay lipservice to other bullshit they jaw about.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:53

Huzanko: Aug 4, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

TomViolence posted:

Closing ranks is definitely not a good look and the left has kind of hosed itself over by pushing the rhetoric of unconditionally believing victims so we'd look like massive hypocrites by not taking the allegations seriously.

It's pretty much the perfect mousetrap, however you react it's going to serve the rhetorical purposes of the right.

Which they know, which is why it has worked for decades.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:55

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

The Sam Kriss apology post is pretty awful lol, he's hosed.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:59

The Clap: Sep 21, 2006; currently training to kill God

I don't really understand why everyone (on Twitter) is drawing a connection between Sam Kriss and the Chapo dudes. He's been on the show once (which is significant of course) but what's the connection aside from that?

# ? Oct 17, 2017 17:03

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

The Clap posted:

I don't really understand why everyone (on Twitter) is drawing a connection between Sam Kriss and the Chapo dudes. He's been on the show once (which is significant of course) but what's the connection aside from that?

aesthetic similarities I guess

# ? Oct 17, 2017 17:04

The REAL Goobusters: Apr 25, 2008

In these dark times we must look to our DSA leader.....

Nick Mullen

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SoupyTwist: Feb 20, 2008

The Clap posted:

I don't really understand why everyone (on Twitter) is drawing a connection between Sam Kriss and the Chapo dudes. He's been on the show once (which is significant of course) but what's the connection aside from that?

Amber and him have (had? It hasn�t updated in a while) their own podcast

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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Rapidly Going Deaf > Chapo Trap House: Lmao I can not keep track of these New York failsons

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