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CelticPredator posted:It was good enough for Georgie!!!!! The point of that line - "it was real enough for Georgie!" - is, of course, that Georgie's death wasn't real. The illusory bite was simply, merely, "real enough" to transport Georgie down into the watery realm. "The hole in the wash basin thus functions as a secret passageway between the two totally disparate universes, the human one and the one of the fishes. This is true multiculturalism, this acknowledgement that the only way to pass to the Other's world is through what, in our world, appears as the poo poo exit, as the hole into the dark domain, excluded from our everyday reality, into which excrements disappear." -Zizek In other words, the bite is not real but Real: "The Real is ... the hole itself, the gap which serves as the passage to a different ontological order - the topological hole or torsion which 'curves' the space of our reality so that we perceive/imagine excrements as disappearing into an alternative dimension". -Zizek Hence why the miniseries only shows the camera being pulled down, into an enormous mouth. The main point here is that Georgie never died. Bill has actually killed his brother with the bolt pistol in order to do away with the guilt of losing him. The notion that this little kid isn't Georgie is only what Bill tells himself.
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Again, IT does not kill; IT 'makes people float down here' - meaning that IT transports then into the alternate-dimension, water realm, that only few people have entered. This is all clearly explained in the film, with both visuals and dialogue. The Georgie at the end is not exactly Georgie, of course; it is the version of Georgie uploaded into the body of the alien Killer Klown. The child that Billy murders is effectively a 'transporter clone' of Georgie. But the lingering question is why Bill found it necessary to blade-run the replicant. Why not love the clone as a brother? It's like killing Chappie. The only answer is that this is a BAD END, where kids are taught to kill thy neighbour, because spiders cannot be empathized. "It's an ugly planet - a bug planet." A love beyond empathy is inconceivable. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Oct 8, 2017 |
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For a reality-altering alien entity that was born outside the macroverse before time began, IT is satisfied with an extremely moderate life. He's settled into a small town in America on a single planet, where he feeds for a couple of months every 27 years.
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End of Shoelace posted:For a reality-altering alien entity that was born outside the macroverse before time began, IT is satisfied with an extremely moderate life. He's settled into a small town in America on a single planet, where he feeds for a couple of months every 27 years. Sleeps a lot and wakes up only to eat...It lives the same way I did when I was severely depressed.
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I would assume an infinite being has a lot of time to kill. Sleeping is a good way to pass the time. Ask anyone in jail and they'll tell you the same.
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Fart City posted:I'm telling you right now: if somebody put out a t-shirt of Pennywise's face in the vein of The Misfits' crimson ghost skull, using only black, white, and red in the palette, they would make a stupid amount of money. 
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 You know, most of the time kids in trouble call for their parents. Georgie called for his brother.
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Perhaps he called for his brother because he was subconsciously aware of the fact that he was doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing (talking to a stranger). Or maybe his parents are absent a lot and he relies more on his brother.
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This might be a dumb question, but what was up with Mike always holding his forearm? I first noticed it after he pulled the garage door open and thought he hurt his arm in the attack/wrenching it open. Then I noticed him doing it any time they were standing around. Just a character tic, or had he been hurt by like, Bowers and co when they were holding him down earlier in the film?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Again, IT does not kill; IT 'makes people float down here' - meaning that IT transports then into the alternate-dimension, water realm, that only few people have entered. This is an interesting look at the scene, because it assumes that the Georgie in the sewer is not being controlled by IT, an illusion or the creature itself. These facts don't probably matter that much anyway, because the more important thing to look at is the children's reaction at the new Georgie, whatever he/it might be.
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LadyPictureShow posted:This might be a dumb question, but what was up with Mike always holding his forearm? I first noticed it after he pulled the garage door open and thought he hurt his arm in the attack/wrenching it open. Then I noticed him doing it any time they were standing around. It’s common body language that suggests nervousness or a lack of self-confidence. I used to do it all the time when I was a kid.
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i never read the book or saw the original series before and i watched this last night, i thought it was good and pretty creepy, however i am certain that the being IT would have no power over me because i fear nothing, and would be capable of defeating it in 1v1 combat without a second thought.
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tbp posted:i never read the book or saw the original series before and i watched this last night, i thought it was good and pretty creepy, however i am certain that the being IT would have no power over me because i fear nothing, and would be capable of defeating it in 1v1 combat without a second thought. He'd still just kill you without friends to back you up.
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tbp posted:i never read the book or saw the original series before and i watched this last night, i thought it was good and pretty creepy, however i am certain that the being IT would have no power over me because i fear nothing, and would be capable of defeating it in 1v1 combat without a second thought. I feel that way too, but in reality I couldn't beat Bill Skarsgard in a one on one.
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You fools! If you dear nothing then It will simply take the form of nothing!
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tbp posted:i never read the book or saw the original series before and i watched this last night, i thought it was good and pretty creepy, however i am certain that the being IT would have no power over me because i fear nothing, and would be capable of defeating it in 1v1 combat without a second thought. you might be able to beat a clown, but can you beat ... your dad?
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tbp posted:i never read the book or saw the original series before and i watched this last night, i thought it was good and pretty creepy, however i am certain that the being IT would have no power over me because i fear nothing, and would be capable of defeating it in 1v1 combat without a second thought. It will come at you as Sallie Mae
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QuoProQuid posted:It’s common body language that suggests nervousness or a lack of self-confidence. i still do it lol
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QuoProQuid posted:It’s common body language that suggests nervousness or a lack of self-confidence. That's what I figured, but I just wanted to make sure. I thought it was a cool little subtle detail.
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Heeeeehhh I'm ambivalent about this remake. Everything about The Losers was amazing, direction and photography were also top notch and goddamn those kids can act. Everything about Pennywise was complete poo poo. I haven't seen overacting this bad since, huh, my last Sean Penn movie. Skarsgaard is all over the place, doesn't seem to know if he should be funny, creepy, downright scary or a combination of the three. When he tilts his head forward and does the mean stare he looks dumb as gently caress. He looks like an angry chipmunk. Most interactions between him and the Losers seem either rushed or very cliché slasher flick stuff, with some of the CGI (Pennywise jumping out of things, the Leper) completely breaking immersion. He talks much less than Tim Curry did but when he does oh boy are his lines complete rubbish. Do you really have to spell out that "you need their sweet sweet fear" or literally say "feeeaaar" as you decompose and fall into the well? All in all an ok movie, weirdly good-looking and elegant for the genre but also not scary in the least.
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GonSmithe posted:Hey, that's cool because the Leper wasn't CGI It looked like practical effects enhanced by CGI; either way it was very cheap and cartoonish to me
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The original it is complete trash. Curry is fun but that's it.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If it weren't for Curry that poo poo would probably be looked at worse than the Langoliers miniseries. Nah, the 1960 segments are pretty good, the kids are obviously giving it their all. The adult actors (bar Curry) are pretty badly phoning it in.
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CelticPredator posted:The original it is complete trash. Curry is fun but that's it. he's the better pennywise tho. and of course the only reason to watch it. Shimrra Jamaane posted:If it weren't for Curry that poo poo would probably be looked at worse than the Langoliers miniseries. let's not say things we can't take back.
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The Leper is just Javier Botet with some make-up. He was also the Crooked Man in The Conjuring 2. Another creature a lot of people thought was CGI though it is somewhat understandable in that film since they played with the speed and frame rate to make him look like he was moving like a stop motion creature. Which made him look even more unreal. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Curry does a great old clown but a not so good interdimensional alien shapeshifting monster clown.
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CelticPredator posted:Curry does a great old clown but a not so good interdimensional alien shapeshifting monster clown. How do you know what an interdimensional alien shapeshifting monster clown is like?
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Tim Curry in....The Krusty the Klown Story: Booze, Drugs, Guns, Lies, Blackmail and Laughter
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:If it weren't for Curry that poo poo would probably be looked at worse than the Langoliers miniseries. It's bad but it's not THAT bad. It's not as good as The Night Flier.
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SimonCat posted:How do you know what an interdimensional alien shapeshifting monster clown is like? It's not Tim Curry's clown
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