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Man the Abyss was one of the creepiest places that I had ventured into. The lack of ambient music and the fact you're heading into a giant, monochrome abyss populated with ghosts doesn't help much, and it's only heightened by the dawning realization of just what the Pale King did to try and preserve Hallownest. Anyways, have some nice comics! 
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Aw, Cloth. 
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Oct 17, 2017 07:10
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bingsu posted:Man the Abyss was one of the creepiest places that I had ventured into. The lack of ambient music and the fact you're heading into a giant, monochrome abyss populated with ghosts doesn't help much, and it's only heightened by the dawning realization of just what the Pale King did to try and preserve Hallownest. While the King was pretty drat ruthless and amoral, in fairness we gotta remember he was up against quite possibly the end of all sapience according to the White Lady, at least in his own realm. Messing with the primordial Void is certainly a dangerous thing, but it's an understandable line of logic. Also something to note: the huge statue? bug corpse? holding the vessel of darkness in the very depths of the Abyss did have a reaction to the Dream Nail. It may not be strong enough yet, but there is a mind, or a will, that can be plumbed there.
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Oct 17, 2017 19:47
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The Abyss is probably the area of the game that was influenced most directly by Dark Souls and definitely benefits from it. Usually when a video game talks about the dark it's the Kingdom Hearts-esque "DAAAAAARKNEEEESSS" sort of thing, but Dark Souls and related titles go for more "this is a living thing that is quite dangerous but not inherently bad or evil." Also the overall aesthetics that Dark Souls and Hollow Knight here especially use, giving it a more organic feel, is rad as hell.
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Oct 17, 2017 21:18
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Genocyber posted:The Abyss is probably the area of the game that was influenced most directly by Dark Souls and definitely benefits from it. Usually when a video game talks about the dark it's the Kingdom Hearts-esque "DAAAAAARKNEEEESSS" sort of thing, but Dark Souls and related titles go for more "this is a living thing that is quite dangerous but not inherently bad or evil." Also the overall aesthetics that Dark Souls and Hollow Knight here especially use, giving it a more organic feel, is rad as hell. And harsh light is aligned with the plague.
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Oct 17, 2017 22:36
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Jetrauben posted:Another thing: notice that light and dark aesthetics are inverted here. Soft light and shadow is aligned with the forces of civilization, as embodied in the King and the Queen. Darkness is portrayed as primordial, but also sheltering - which makes sense. They're bugs. Maybe ancestral memories from bored kids having fun with magnifying glasses.
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Oct 18, 2017 00:14
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In regards of the White Lady she's almost certainly some kind of plant and I suspect she hasn't roots all over Hollownest, maybe when she wants to move she regrows the speaking bit in a new location? In any case I wonder if the Dream Nail Trees are part of her body, would explain why they have knowledge and Bardoon proves that Dream Nail can get different responses from different body parts. I also have a suspicion as to the Idea planted within the Chosen Hollow Knight based on the statue of him but I might hold off until we know more in general. Also also it's interesting that nobody calls the main character Hollow Knight, instead it's ghost of spirit etc.
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Oct 18, 2017 03:22
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I don;t think the Up+B upgrade 'puzzle' is all that esoteric... As long as you remember the way the move looks. All the screaming faces are a pretty good indicator.
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Oct 18, 2017 04:12
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Lazy Bear posted:I don;t think the Up+B upgrade 'puzzle' is all that esoteric... As long as you remember the way the move looks. All the screaming faces are a pretty good indicator. Also the dreamnail dialogue is "Our voices will cry out again", and the only ability you have that that fits is the howling wraiths.
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Oct 18, 2017 06:00
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When you first walk in to the area where the White Lady is, there's a corpse of a very fancy looking bug out front. I honestly thought THAT was going to be the Queen at first since it has such a fancy and regal looking design. Can you dream nail that body for something? Also, that giant statue thing with the flowing bowl of darkness? It did something when you dream nail'd it but I have no clue what. looked like it had a barrier around it or something. But the idea that that thing is/was alive/sentient is pretty frightening.  And now that we have some more lore about the King and implications about his role in bug-history, it at first made me think that this weird plague isn't actually a plague but an un-doing of whatever it was that the King did. That the insane bugs are just the "real" natural, feral bugs before the King gifted them sentience. It seems unlikely because of stuff like the corrupted crossroads and other things that seem to be spreading the infection instead of just bugs "going feral", but that would be an interesting twist imo. For now though I'm gonna guess that the plague may have been created by some rival creature similar to the King. If the King is supposed to be like a god to the bugs, maybe the plague was created by whatever the equivalent of the devil is.
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Oct 18, 2017 10:04
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ousire posted:When you first walk in to the area where the White Lady is, there's a corpse of a very fancy looking bug out front. I honestly thought THAT was going to be the Queen at first since it has such a fancy and regal looking design. Can you dream nail that body for something? Highwang did dream nail the body; she says "Protect...". To find out more about her, you need to talk to the White Lady while wearing the Defender's Crest. Also worth noting: A ton of dead traitor mantises right in front of her corpse.
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Oct 18, 2017 14:13
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Lazy Bear posted:I don;t think the Up+B upgrade 'puzzle' is all that esoteric... As long as you remember the way the move looks. All the screaming faces are a pretty good indicator. I had some trouble in my first run because I had literally never used the up-spell since obtaining it  . Without testing, it seemed to me like, because the AoE is so big, it can't deal very good damage. So I saved all my mana for healing/fireball.
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Oct 18, 2017 16:42
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Lord_Magmar posted:In regards of the White Lady she's almost certainly some kind of plant and I suspect she hasn't roots all over Hollownest, maybe when she wants to move she regrows the speaking bit in a new location? In any case I wonder if the Dream Nail Trees are part of her body, would explain why they have knowledge and Bardoon proves that Dream Nail can get different responses from different body parts. We've actually seen her roots before. Remember Kingdom's Edge? Those luminous roots all throughout the place?
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Oct 18, 2017 18:05
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Interesting little bit here. The White Lady refers to Hornet as the Gendered Child. Everybody's been referring to you and the Hollow Knight as 'it' when applicable. Vessels are genderless.
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Oct 19, 2017 01:01
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Which reminds me that it is not explicitly said that Hornet is the biological daughter of the Spider Leader, only that the Spider Leader is her mother, and all things considered I feel it’s just as likely she is the child of the Abyss and the King, given Hornet is Bug shaped not spider shaped, and she uses her needle and thread to replicate web-weaving.
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Oct 19, 2017 04:54
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The White Lady feels kind of different from everyone else we've talked to, and I think I've finally worked out why. She comes across as completely... unguarded. She's talking to us like we're not even there, which is kind of good and kind of bad, I think? But I don't get the feeling that she's holding anything back.
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Oct 19, 2017 06:31
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Maybe by the 'sea' the lighthouse bug meant that black void sea?
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Oct 19, 2017 06:57
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fractalairduct posted:Maybe by the 'sea' the lighthouse bug meant that black void sea? It's this. His dream memory thing was pretty much 'I'd have turned this light on but the the inky black death tentacles have convinced me that they're my pals so I'm not going to.'
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Oct 19, 2017 11:17
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Lord_Magmar posted:Which reminds me that it is not explicitly said that Hornet is the biological daughter of the Spider Leader, only that the Spider Leader is her mother, and all things considered I feel it’s just as likely she is the child of the Abyss and the King, given Hornet is Bug shaped not spider shaped, and she uses her needle and thread to replicate web-weaving. It's not explicitly stated but it's pretty strong implied with the White Lady's use of the world "dalliance" to refer to the Wyrm's and Herrah's association as well as her being very un-vessel-like (that had to come from somewhere). Also Occam's Razor.
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Oct 19, 2017 18:28
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Hey Highwang, can you include a little snippet of your failures in the White Palace accompanied by Yakety Sax, or other similar music of your choice? Or try to speed run it through nail pogo, Mark of Pride and Quick Slash.
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Oct 20, 2017 06:19
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I'm honestly amazed neither of you called out the MASSIVE PILE of corpses/empty masks at the bottom of the entrance, by the way.
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Oct 20, 2017 14:27
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GenericOverusedName posted:I'm honestly amazed neither of you called out the MASSIVE PILE of corpses/empty masks at the bottom of the entrance, by the way. They speak for themselves.
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Oct 20, 2017 15:01
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Something hilarious just happened to me in game. I was fighting the Traitor Lord and I managed to die at the exact same time that Cloth did. This caused the bodies of Cloth and the Lord to appear when I got back there, but I hadn't finished the fight so they were also there running around.
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Oct 21, 2017 01:28
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Regarding the just uploaded episode that doesn't have an update here yet: Regarding the Millibelle quest, it's a great play on the bank side quest you see in some games like Majora's Mask. Storing enough money in the bank typically gets you some sort of rare item, here it just gets you theft...at least at first. Because something you missed, Highwang, is that you can get all your money, and then some, back from her at the Pleasure House. Just keep whacking at her with your nail and you'll get like double your money back. Quickest way is to repeatedly pogo bounce off of her.
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Oct 23, 2017 20:04
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Genocyber posted:Regarding the just uploaded episode that doesn't have an update here yet: Whacking the bank itself is also hilarious/rage inducing.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:06
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Maybe don't talk about videos that haven't been linked here yet.
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Oct 24, 2017 02:23
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fractalairduct posted:Maybe don't talk about videos that haven't been linked here yet. I put that header there for a reason. Considering the video is freely available there's not really a reason not to discuss it.
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Oct 24, 2017 03:10
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Genocyber posted:I put that header there for a reason. Considering the video is freely available there's not really a reason not to discuss it. To wit: New update: Episode 23: The 1800 Brain Knife In order to even attempt the best ending, the Dream Nail needs to have at least 1800 soul energy in order to peer into "protected minds." This basically means you will need to do the three big major boss refights, along with a majority of lesser mid-bosses. I do skip 1-2 midbosses in this video by merit of I just suck at them in general, but yeah to get to 1800 you don't need to do the trees at all sadly. We get some bits of story from the Soul Tyrant but not a whole lot. As for the whole Millibelle thing. WAT. Someone tell me how to edit font size on SA because I never loving knew about this and know how to open up episode 25 now. Next episode: The worst level in the game.
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Oct 24, 2017 03:47
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Highwang posted:
You only need 1800 Essence for the endings... But completionists will need 2400 Essence to hear dialogue from the Seer that sheds a bit of information on the plot! And that's a completionist's real reward - text boxes. Just like Dark Souls. bewilderment fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Highwang posted:
Them's fighting words. (not really, I was and still am really annoyed with the slapfights around that level, and people can very well disagree with me, but I thought the level was Cool and Good)
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Oct 24, 2017 14:19
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Highwang posted:I do skip 1-2 midbosses in this video by merit of I just suck at them in general, There's one "refight" in particular I'm thinking of that I'd be extremely surprised if you decided to skip, so I wonder if you're saving it for later or if you don't have the good fortune to be aware of it, especially since it's easily missed, you didn't even hint at it when related events occurred, and seemed to imply that there was nothing more to them. Anyway, I ought not give too much away just in case, but you might want to take a good look around Dirtmouth proper again. FrankZP fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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I love No Eyes so much, because she gives a lot of insight into how the infection worked, and how hosed up and desperate people became trying to escape from it. The infection starts with the dreams of a light, bright and burning and terrible. What she says - speak such loathsome things as you sleep, claws scratch and scrape - that's the infection taking hold over them. Bugs went mad, and started attacking people in their sleep. If you dream nail some husk enemies, a lot of the dialogue implies similar things - they speak of a light, of burning, of being asleep, not being able to wake up. Her boss area is the Stone Sanctuary. It is one of those areas that are completely pitch black, you can't navigate it without having bought the lantern. This place was supposed to be dark and safe, a refuge from the plague and the light. But they were still haunted by it, could still see it... She tore out her eyes, and either her children did it themselves or she did it to them. But still they all saw it, that horrible light, even in their sleep... There was only one way to escape it. There is only one way to stop dreaming, forever. The music that plays during her fight is unique. This fight is just her voice, singing one last lullaby to her children. GenericOverusedName fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Highwang posted:Next episode: The worst level in the game. Hoooooo boy. I'm among the camp of "it was a cool break from the normal gameplay, but holy poo poo did it overstay its welcome." Didn't help that I didn't know the badge combo you could cheese it with.
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You really only need to do one refight to awaken the dreamknife, if you do all the threes and dream spirits. e: Oh drat, is it that time already? Well, good luck playing Super Hollow Meat Knight.
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I hope that Highwang knows that unless they're 100% terrible at it, it's much faster to use Deep Focus + Grubsong than it is to use Hiveblood for this.
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I really liked collecting all the dreams, even with the tree hunting. Helped me poke around the zone instead of zooming through looking for the next big upgrade. And Granny Moth is always so happy and cheerful, yet a touch cranky. Kinda reminds me of mine 
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Speaking of Mirabelle, I also recently found out that you can attack the one guard in the hot spring at the Colosseum. Since he's in the spring, though, he just heals every time you hit him.
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bewilderment posted:I hope that Highwang knows that unless they're 100% terrible at it, it's much faster to use Deep Focus + Grubsong than it is to use Hiveblood for this. I hope you're aware of my brand. Really though, Hiveblood is free and I'm a patient man.
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Oct 25, 2017 03:58
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Highwang posted:Next episode: The best level in the game.
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FrankZP posted:There's one "refight" in particular I'm thinking of that I'd be extremely surprised if you decided to skip, so I wonder if you're saving it for later or if you don't have the good fortune to be aware of it, especially since it's easily missed, you didn't even hint at it when related events occurred, and seemed to imply that there was nothing more to them. If you're talking about Grey Prince Zote, Highwang has mentioned that boss in the lp before. I'm not sure if he knows about White Defender, though, seeing as how he didn't know about that room until someone brought it up in the thread.
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