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Squalid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqoUdd9Ge4E One of these was posted in the aviation thread a long time ago. It was on how to assemble a shipped P-47 in the field - the funniest part of which was they didn't have torque wrenches, so they had these rule of thumb notes for how to get the torque correct on the bolts that held on the wings e: Speaking of top talent Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Rockopolis posted:Is the main advantage of the sword over the lance that it's easier to use if you get mixed up close with the enemy? Easier to use your off hand? i agree with you completely about bringing back cuirassiers, especially since we have multi-shot pistols now
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There's also the weight. Light cav trade the lance for greater speed, dragoons swap it for rifles or carbines or other gear. As for bringing back the cuirassier, why mess around with real horses instead of building a robot horse?
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HEY GAIL posted:Shorter's better on horseback Cavalry swords are normally longer than infantry ones though, they were also heavier, since protracted engagements were relatively rare. You could certainly fence with them though, and some officers contracted for swords that were closer to cavalry ones than anything else, but in general the infantry officer's ones were more optimized for actual hand to hand fighting. When you go further back to knights/armored cavalry, they all carried really short maces or axes for fighting each other, since if you got your horses next to one another, you wanted something short to be able to hit the other guy if he was grabbing your reins or whatever.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:There's also the weight. Light cav trade the lance for greater speed, dragoons swap it for rifles or carbines or other gear. edit: There were even light cavalry regiments that were also lancers. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Oct 18, 2017 15:17
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Well, non-jousting heavy cavalry armor is what, 50lbs? Same again for barding? That's like 3 full sets of Interceptor body armor, each, for the horse to carry around. And an MP7.
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Oct 18, 2017 15:18
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It's page 666, tell me about some weird military superstitions, past and present
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Oct 18, 2017 15:22
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Curaissiers must be in use in Syria
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I do not think a lance changes the speed of a horse. Light and heavy cavalry are distinctions based on role and equipment more than actual speed once you are not discussing armored troops.
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Oct 18, 2017 15:31
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canyoneer posted:It's page 666, tell me about some weird military superstitions, past and present lucky charms, the candy/cereal thing, was considered bad luck, and U.S. marines would ban them from vehicles they rode in during Afghanistan and Iraq, believing they would get hit if they didn't. Reports even say some marines flung them at the enemy to get the bad luck on them. Having three soldiers light their cigarettes on the same match was bad luck, allegedly this originates back from the Crimean war. Von Richthofen wouldn't fly without his lucky scarf and jacket, also he painted his planes red for them to Probably many more, but that's off the top of my head
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Rockopolis posted:Well, non-jousting heavy cavalry armor is what, 50lbs? Same again for barding? That's like 3 full sets of Interceptor body armor, each, for the horse to carry around. And an MP7. Not quite as bad as that. TFR just had a body armor discussion and the 25-pound range seemed about average for modern body armor, a plate carrier, and the gear to hold it all on. A gun and ammo is going to be in the 10 pound ballpark. Modern armor is certainly lighter, but not to the extent that you're implying.
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Tias posted:lucky charms, the candy/cereal thing, was considered bad luck, and U.S. marines would ban them from vehicles they rode in during Afghanistan and Iraq, believing they would get hit if they didn't. Reports even say some marines flung them at the enemy to get the bad luck on them. One of my grandfathers never, EVER missed one of his regular poker games later in life. This went back to his time in the service when swapping shifts to get to a poker game prevented him from being at ground zero of a kamakazie strike (the corpse of the buddy he swapped with was never recovered). I don't know if this is superstition or an iron clad excuse to get out of the house and play poker, though.
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Tias posted:lucky charms, the candy/cereal thing, was considered bad luck, and U.S. marines would ban them from vehicles they rode in during Afghanistan and Iraq, believing they would get hit if they didn't. Reports even say some marines flung them at the enemy to get the bad luck on them. I always heard the match thing explained as "having a match lit that long gives away your position/makes you a target for sniper fire" but if it goes back to Crimea, that sounds less likely.
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zoux posted:I always heard the match thing explained as "having a match lit that long gives away your position/makes you a target for sniper fire" but if it goes back to Crimea, that sounds less likely. ed: I guess it could have been any Orthodox, if you think about it HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:edit: There were even light cavalry regiments that were also lancers.
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Ainsley McTree posted:Curaissiers must be in use in Syria
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Rockopolis posted:Well, non-jousting heavy cavalry armor is what, 50lbs? Same again for barding? That's like 3 full sets of Interceptor body armor, each, for the horse to carry around. And an MP7. also armor is lighter than most people think edit: also many cavalrymen have strings of horses, so the same horse is not hauling your poo poo around and going into battle with you
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Sailors have many similar superstitions, like how it brings bad luck to light a cigarette from a candle or lantern (quite sensible attitude on a wooden ship, actually) so it could also come from there.
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Tias posted:lucky charms, the candy/cereal thing, was considered bad luck, and U.S. marines would ban them from vehicles they rode in during Afghanistan and Iraq, believing they would get hit if they didn't. Reports even say some marines flung them at the enemy to get the bad luck on them. The marine thing is a candy called Charms (which basically aren't around anymore iirc) not the cereal Lucky Charms 
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HEY GAIL posted:probably a different kind of lance though, right? 30yw lancers used the big stout medieval kind. WoodrowSkillson posted:edit: There were even light cavalry regiments that were also lancers. Scratch that, some did and some didn't. Found some photos with German cavalry with lance and saber and it's listed as part of the kit. But there's also photos where they definitely don't have the scabbard on their saddle where it's supposed to be. Comrade Gorbash fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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MikeCrotch posted:The marine thing is a candy called Charms (which basically aren't around anymore iirc) not the cereal Lucky Charms You can still find them at specialty candy stores. They're just fruity hard candies.
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We can get them, or some exactly like them in Europe. Don't think they're called Charms, though.
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Ah, I was going by Wikipedia estimates for both sets of armor. Not quiet as much of a difference.HEY GAIL posted:by the 30yw the horses are not armored Speaking of new old things, how comparable is poo poo like Blackwater and modern PMCs to stuff like the Landscknect? Are there any period companies still around, or getting back in the business?
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zoux posted:I always heard the match thing explained as "having a match lit that long gives away your position/makes you a target for sniper fire" but if it goes back to Crimea, that sounds less likely. They absolutely had snipers in Crimea. One of the Russian admirals in Sevastopol got killed by one during the siege.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:This was mostly the Germans right around the turn of the century, I think? The Germans had issued a lance with a rolled steel tube for a haft that was only about 4lbs (I've seen a couple different numbers but they're all under that; it might have been closer to 3lbs). Everything I've read indicated most them got rid of the lance as soon as they could once the actual fighting kicked off, A lance weighed about 6lbs in the Napoleonic period. I do not believe that changed anything in terms of the range or endurance of the horse or rider. The entire distinction between light and heavy cavalry starts falling apart in the 18th and 19th centuries. Even most heavy cavalry stopping using curiasses besides a few groups, Napoleon obviously as the major proponent of them.
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MikeCrotch posted:The marine thing is a candy called Charms (which basically aren't around anymore iirc) not the cereal Lucky Charms Is just an off-brand Jolly Rancher?
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Found over the webquote:American-born Edwin Parsons had a colourful military career, both in the US military and in the French Foreign Legion. He was known to have wired a stuffed black cat to the struts of his fighter aircraft as a talisman. He refused to fly without it. He even claimed after one fight that the cat took a bullet for him. quote:During World War II, says Wallrich, the stress on pilots frequently produced superstitious behavior. The most common was the carrying of amulets and talismans like silver dollars, particularly (and counter-intuitively) when the numbers in the year added up to 13 (such as 1921), to correspond with that coin’s 13 stars and its eagle’s 13 tail feathers. Every unit had at least one bad-luck airplane—a “clinker,” in Wallrich’s words, whose temperamental behavior masked a darker jinx—and a charmed airplane that padded the odds for any pilot lucky enough to fly it. quote:Stuffed animals, however, were not adopted only by Allied pilots. At least one German ace with 30 victories (Ltn. Ulrich Neckl) posed on his Fokker D.VII with a teddy bear that reputedly he carried into combat. It would be difficult to imagine a less Teutonic and less warlike mascot, but the ace was still around on Armistice Day. Regarding Gibraltar quote:Most of the Rock's upper area is covered by a nature reserve which is home to around 230 Barbary macaques, the famous "apes" of Gibraltar, which are actually monkeys. These are the only wild apes or monkeys found in Europe.[58] This species, known scientifically as Macaca sylvanus, is listed as endangered by the IUCN Red List and is declining. Three-quarters of the world population live in the Middle Atlas mountains of Morocco. Recent genetic studies and historical documents point to their presence on the Rock before its capture by the British, having possibly been introduced during the Islamic period. A superstition analogous to that of the ravens at the Tower of London states that if the apes ever leave, so will the British. In 1944, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, was so concerned about the dwindling population of apes that he sent a message to the Colonial Secretary requesting that something be done about the situation Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Comrade Gorbash posted:They issued an ultimatum on 29 August with a deadline of 30 August, with the clear indication that if their demands weren't met it would be war. That's a surprise attack. A rule of thumb is anything less than 2 weeks notice means that events are moving faster than you can mobilize in response.
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Just bought a book on Allied aircrew superstitions during World War 2, and I'll check library to see if I have anything that references others. Also, surprisingly, I don't think I have anything that talks at length about the various Japanese commanders.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Scratch that, some did and some didn't. Found some photos with German cavalry with lance and saber and it's listed as part of the kit. But there's also photos where they definitely don't have the scabbard on their saddle where it's supposed to be.
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HEY GAIL posted:left handed dude?
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Comrade Gorbash posted:But then there's one with a pickelhaube, lance, and no apparent saber. the list goes on
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HEY GAIL posted:lost it, ditched it, sold it, used it to open a paint can and bent the blade
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Mycroft Holmes posted:What sort of sword would be good in a trench? Let's say I'm an officer leading a raiding party into enemy lines. Is my sword useful in the confined space of a trench? There's a good list of swords here: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Romeo_%2B_Juliet
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Some of the more superstitious or relgious soldiers in the Napoleonic era would discard any sort of playing cards they had on their person on march or camping before a big battle now.
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Squalid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqoUdd9Ge4E They were generally pretty small. How they get made varies a little bit by the branch of service but the First Motion Picture Unit isn't a bad example. It started out life as a private Hollywood venture. A group of directors, actors, crew and studio execs saw that war was coming and started preparing to create film units. So when the USAAF reached out, there was a bare bones structure kind of in place. Jack Warner was given a commission of Lt. Colonel and forms up the rest of the unit. They basically take over an abandoned studio in good repair and start cranking out films. Regan served in this unit, as did Clark Gable after flying some combat missions. This unit also trained most of the combat cameramen for the various branches. General Marshall put together a unit under Frank Capra. They produced Why We Fight along with a lot of other training films for the Army. That unit gave us the animation style you think of when you think of the kinds of training films like you linked. And Why We Fight is an interesting documentary. It's propaganda but it makes it's points by taking apart Axis propaganda. The Navy ends up a little weird. Throughout most of the war it didn't have an in house unit for most of it's training films but generally put them out for bid. Later they have a small animation department run out of Disney. Most of their film stuff was placed under the command of John Ford and acted as documentary filmmakers. So the prices for most of WWII military films weren't particularly high. Most of the people producing them may have had big names in Hollywood but either were under military pay structures or were loaned out to military projects for a pittance in the case of Mel Blanc.
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There’s a Netflix documentary about the American propaganda movies made during WWII, Five Came Back.
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Squalid posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqoUdd9Ge4E This is gonna make me much better at shooting things in War Thunder with my bomber turrets 
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canyoneer posted:It's page 666, tell me about some weird military superstitions, past and present This isn't on the enlisted man level, but I'm a fan of the sacred chickens of Rome. It was a form of augury; before the battle, the priests would scatter seeds around and, depending on how the chickens ate, it could predict the outcome of the battle. There's a story from the First Punic War that Appius Claudius Pulcher wanted to launch an attack on the Carthaginian fleet in a harbor and, as was customary, did the chicken augury. The priest told him that the chickens E: Flipped some words Elyv fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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