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Fact: Most Videogame Cosmetics Look Way Worse Than The Default Skins.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:13
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glam rock hamhock posted:Persona 5 was way better about you not dating character with whom you max out their social links. The previous games pretty much guilt you if you refuse while in P5 the characters, at worst, seem mildly disappointed that you didn't make a move and usually that element isn't even there. It's still not amazing but it's still better than what low standards of that sort of thing I hold to JRPGs. My favourite bit is convincing Futaba her crush is just her feeling the spirit of teamwork and she buys into it 100%
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Oct 18, 2017 19:20
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Played about 2 hours of Elex now. It's basically exactly like Gothic, just with Sci-Fi elements. Which is what I wanted so that's okay.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:21
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Nina posted:My favourite bit is convincing Futaba her crush is just her feeling the spirit of teamwork and she buys into it 100% Gah I forgot about her.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:24
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what if persona 5 had a deluxe edition that came with a real cat
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Oct 18, 2017 19:32
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Quest For Glory II posted:what if persona 5 had a deluxe edition that came with a real cat I would've bought it
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Oct 18, 2017 19:33
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Quest For Glory II posted:what if persona 5 had a deluxe edition that came with a real cat this sounds like a really bad idea for preorders that ship to anywhere in the pacific! 
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Oct 18, 2017 19:35
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Quest For Glory II posted:what if persona 5 had a deluxe edition that came with a real cat Are you saying the plush Morgana I got in the deluxe edition isn't a real cat? because if you are... 
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Oct 18, 2017 19:37
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Quest For Glory II posted:what if persona 5 had a deluxe edition that came with a real cat like there isn't already enough packing material to throw away from things you order
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Oct 18, 2017 19:39
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Cowcaster posted:like there isn't already enough packing material to throw away from things you order
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Oct 18, 2017 19:40
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Speaking of anime games, I will be sad when I get to the part of Tales of Berseria where Magilou starts giving a poo poo because her being a complete gives no fucks rear end in a top hat is probably my favorite part of this game so far.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:41
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Cowcaster posted:i'm not asking why they create fat stacks, i'm asking why they were implemented as a way to make money Loot boxes solve a lot of problems that have been plaguing the selling and development of games: - Publishers like them because they make a lot of money and keep players within the game's ecosystem. This means a successful game with an attractive microtransaction model can suck the oxygen out of the room and keep players from playing something else, such as a game by a competitor. Furthermore, a game purchased at a discount or second hand doesn't mean you've lost that much revenue. Someone who purchased Overwatch used can still enjoy the game and spend hundreds of dollars for loot boxes. The game is even $40 on PC. With a game like Dishonored 2, there is a limit to how much money a publisher can extract out of a person who buys the game second hand. - Developers like them because they can continue to field a large team after launching a game. They don't have to downsize content creation staff after launching a game and immediately go into pre-production with a smaller team for the next project. Loot boxes can pay for a large team to keep churning out content, events, and more loot boxes. If their game lacks mass appeal or has a less than successful launch, a small number of dedicated whales can still support the game long enough for the team to address problems. - Casual users like loot boxes since they typically play a handful of games each year and don't mind investing more in a game they really enjoy. For example, someone might like FIFA and enjoy playing Ultimate Team and building up the perfect team. Casuals typically value their free time over money so they're not too hung up over purchasing power boosts/shortcuts with in-game money. Even if they don't purchase any microtransactions, they do enjoy engaging in special events and having microtransactions subsidize lengthy post launch support. - Whale/power users like them since they enjoy purchasing power boosts and vanity items. They don't mind spending a small fortune to beat the house on loot boxes. Even though they make a small portion of the playerbase, a handful of whales can effectively pay years of post launch content by a large team. The type of players who dislike or outright hate lootboxes are people on forums like these who grew up paying $50-$60 single-player games and feel increasingly marginalized with where the gaming industry is going. They are not the target of loot boxes. Many publishers already have had success with microtranstions on mobile/PC F2P games so they have a good idea who to target when bringing these monetization systems to traditional games. The only people who can stop this practice are casuals and whales. However, they're more likely to play another game with more generous drop rates than to swear off loot boxes altogether. Many children are growing up in an environment where these types of microtransactions are common. So I expect them to become even more commonplace than they already are. Dr Cheeto posted:Hey maybe if you're setting a target of 5 million sales for a loving Dead Space game the problem isn't with the consumer. It's in the interest of big AAA publishers to continuously raise the cost of game development. This might sound counter-intuitive. Why not encourage an environment where development costs are low and developers can take more risks? However, high costs means a high barrier to entry. The big publishers value the longterm stability of their business over innovation, growth, or even short term profits. If it takes tens of millions of dollars to develop and promote a game, then very few new entrants can come in and disrupt the market. Even the large multimedia giants have a difficult time entering the gaming industry. Warner Bros. Games had to spend years building up their studios and Disney shuddered its game developers in favor of licensing out its IP. Square-Enix even described the North America/Europe market as an oligopoly. Rising costs also makes risk taking incredibly punishable since so many development resources are tied to each project. You end with an industry where brinksmanship is the norm and it's very difficult to deescalate costs. We see this in a lot of industries where the big players raise the cost of doing business to prevent new entrants from usurping them. Crude oil companies operate rigs at a loss to stave off the growth of shale oil and renewables. In the movie industry, we're seeing ballooning costs of making blockbuster movies. This means the big studios have most of the marketshare and mid-sized studios have difficulty moving up. New Line Cinema was a rising star until the release of The Golden Compass where it ended being eaten up by Warner Bros. Similarly, we saw THQ, which was a top five gaming publisher at one time, struggle to pivot to AAA and eventually get eaten up by the other big publishers.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:41
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Sunning posted:The type of players who dislike or outright hate lootboxes are people on forums like these who grew up paying $50-$60 single-player games and feel increasingly marginalized with where the gaming industry is going. They are not the target of loot boxes. Many publishers already have had success with microtranstions on mobile/PC F2P games so they have a good idea who to target when bringing these monetization systems to traditional games. You forgot people who don't like lootboxes because they exploit addictive personalities and are just unregulated gambling. Why is this a good thing for children to grow up to again?
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Oct 18, 2017 19:46
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Quest For Glory II posted:Nothing ever dies, every year there are new financial projections and executives read Trend Magazines that predict what demographics like Millenials will be into in the coming years. right now it's games as a service and next year it'll be first person shooters and in 2019 it'll be, i dunno, every game is Katamari Demacy considering the katamari damacy guy's reasons for creating katamari damacy and bitterness over bamco making tons of sequels i'm pretty sure he'd die if that happened
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Oct 18, 2017 19:48
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The only way loot boxes are going away is if there's some actual government regulation on them. The chances of that happening are non-existent though. They make too much money for any company that isn't opposed to them on an ethical level to ignore them. With the rise of PUBG and a bunch of devs scrambling to get in on that cash cow, I predict that multiplayer focused games are gonna get reallyyyyy lovely in the next few years.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:48
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Are we just sidestepping the part where loot boxes are transparently just companies deciding that simply selling things isn't as much profit as they would like? Jrpgs are the only hope for the future.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:49
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Internet Kraken posted:The only way loot boxes are going away is if there's some actual government regulation on them. The chances of that happening are non-existent though. They make too much money for any company that isn't opposed to them on an ethical level to ignore them. There is actually precedent for this, a few years ago a particularly egregious form of loot boxes got declared a form of gambling by the relevant Japanese authority and a lot of mobile game companies had to issue statements along the lines of "we do not, have never, and would never use this evil, exploitative system, also we've removed it from all our games now".
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Oct 18, 2017 19:50
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with the rise of PUBG multiplayer focused games are already really lovely 
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Oct 18, 2017 19:50
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Nina posted:Not being able to date Yusuke is the biggest flaw of P5. He straight up sounds like he's flirting with you at times 
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Oct 18, 2017 19:51
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Just like in politics, it's always gratifying to be able to identify someone who has downloaded a list of talking points to parrot in favor of regressive policies
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Oct 18, 2017 19:52
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Internet Kraken posted:With the rise of PUBG and a bunch of devs scrambling to get in on that cash cow, I predict that multiplayer focused games are gonna get reallyyyyy lovely in the next few years. https://twitter.com/Toadsanime/status/920386511664832514
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Oct 18, 2017 19:53
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Sunning posted:
Yeah  This is me and I have such anger about my toy hobby
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Oct 18, 2017 19:57
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Queueing with only default skins puts you in Fashion MMR Hell where you're matched up against swag teams all impossibly cooler and more stylish than you.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:57
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glam rock hamhock posted:Speaking of anime games, I will be sad when I get to the part of Tales of Berseria where Magilou starts giving a poo poo because her being a complete gives no fucks rear end in a top hat is probably my favorite part of this game so far. if you're expecting magilou to ever stop acting like a detached weirdo that's not a shtick she ever really drops, even when she does start openly giving a poo poo The Colonel fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Oct 18, 2017 19:58
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chumbler posted:Are we just sidestepping the part where loot boxes are transparently just companies deciding that simply selling things isn't as much profit as they would like? With jrpgs we just get a hundred dollars of costume dlc
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Oct 18, 2017 19:58
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lets hang out posted:With jrpgs we just get a hundred dollars of costume dlc Milla as Dhaos ftw
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Oct 18, 2017 19:59
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Lets go back to when the biggest thing gamers had to be angry about was horse armor DLC.
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Oct 18, 2017 19:59
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exquisite tea posted:Queueing with only default skins puts you in Fashion MMR Hell where you're matched up against swag teams all impossibly cooler and more stylish than you. The future is cool as hell
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Oct 18, 2017 20:00
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Just like in politics, it's always gratifying to be able to identify someone who has downloaded a list of talking points to parrot in favor of regressive policies If you mean sunning I think he works in the games industry or something he makes interesting posts in the final fantasy thread
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Oct 18, 2017 20:01
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To be clear I'm not, that post was reasoned enough
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Oct 18, 2017 20:03
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sunning was the savior of the NX threads.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:04
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Nina posted:My favourite bit is convincing Futaba her crush is just her feeling the spirit of teamwork and she buys into it 100% That's one of those times when I feel like the translation dropped the ball. It's one of those "nakama" things and they went with "team" when I think, in Futaba's case, "family" would've been more appropriate. POOL IS CLOSED posted:Gah I forgot about her. The most important Persona 5 advice: don't date your nerdy little sister. 
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Oct 18, 2017 20:11
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MMF Freeway posted:The future is cool as hell Analytics and browsing history are used to assemble an entire opposing team most likely to be wearing the exact skin you want on each of their respective characters.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:11
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This loot box talk actually makes me a little depressed. I feel kinda like I did back in November, except I’m not exactly losing sleep over it I guess Why do they hate us??
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Oct 18, 2017 20:13
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Jay Rust posted:This loot box talk actually makes me a little depressed. I feel kinda like I did back in November, except I’m not exactly losing sleep over it I guess They don't hate you. They just want your money.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:15
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Internet Kraken posted:They don't hate you. They just want your money. Okay, they can't have it. now what do they do
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Oct 18, 2017 20:17
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Here's my hot take on loot boxes: capitalism is bad. Thank you for reading. nachos posted:You forgot people who don't like lootboxes because they exploit addictive personalities and are just unregulated gambling. Why is this a good thing for children to grow up to again? Nobody's saying it's a good thing for children to grow up on, just that they are growing up on it and so they're just used to it.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:21
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CJacobs posted:Okay, they can't have it. now what do they do We have kidnapped your friends/family and turned them into legendary rarity lootbox drops
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Oct 18, 2017 20:22
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CJacobs posted:Okay, they can't have it. now what do they do Okay, keep your money. But don't you want to find out what's inside...this loot box? 
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Oct 18, 2017 20:24
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Help Im Alive posted:We have kidnapped your friends/family and turned them into legendary rarity lootbox drops Fortunately all my friends and family are deadbeats so it can hardly be considered pay 2 win.
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Oct 18, 2017 20:24
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