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Koalas March posted:What's wrong with Donna Brazile? I honestly have no idea. I only know her really from watching AM Joy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...illary-clinton/ She is entirely without any ethics. Oh and her new book is perpetuating the "Russia Stole the Election" narrative.
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Koalas March posted:What's wrong with Donna Brazile? I honestly have no idea. I only know her really from watching AM Joy. Other posters can fill in the blanks on how her political 'preferences' affect her decision-making, but one of the more egregious problems she's been a part of lately is her attempt to steer anything vaguely related to potential Russian involvement with Donald Trump and the 2016 election cycle into another red scare, focusing so hard on blaming the results of the general election on Russian meddling that apparently she has decided to release a whole book on how that was the deciding factor and literally nothing else. More generally she's just kind of bad and grossly out of touch. Edit: in all putting Brazile in a position of political responsibility is bad, though not the worst thing Perez has done. Appointing Dan Halpern as finance chair comes closer, I think. ded redd fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Koalas March posted:What's wrong with Donna Brazile? I honestly have no idea. I only know her really from watching AM Joy. The people kvetching are the same people who call Joy Reid a transphobic centrist monster so I think you can probably figure out what they hate about Donna Brazile.
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Crowsbeak posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...illary-clinton/ She's a proud black women who's willing to do anything to get ahead. Of course that scares the white people in this thread who don't want minorities getting ahead. They'd totally love it if it was a white man.
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Even beyond the most recent controversy, Brazile is an old hand whose glory days are well behind her. Her biggest claim to fame is having run Gore's campaign in 2000. Regardless of who you support, everyone should agree that we need younger blood with fresher ideas at the DNC. To use a football metaphor, it's like if Ole Miss hired Phil Fulmer to be their head coach. Sure, he was great a two decades ago, but the game has passed him by. He's more fit for the country club than the sidelines. Edit: I don't even mind her personally. She's wonderful, but in a Party apparatus featuring so many older people who got their starts in the 80s, we need to start letting some of these guys go. Democrazy fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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Oct 18, 2017 22:59
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JeffersonClay posted:The people kvetching are the same people who call Joy Reid a transphobic centrist monster so I think you can probably figure out what they hate about Donna Brazile. Well that she is a centrist monster, Like you. People like you are monsters.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:00
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:She's a proud black women who's willing to do anything to get ahead. Yeah, I distinctly remember people cheering Rahm on (I think someone literally said, "He's an unethical gently caress but he's on our side!") when he was working for Obama. JeffersonClay posted:The people kvetching are the same people who call Joy Reid a transphobic centrist monster so I think you can probably figure out what they hate about Donna Brazile. Gotcha. 
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The argument that awful person is good if they are your awful person is the path to destruction. Lets look at how Rahm has governed Chicago. Is that what you want? Is that what your comfortable.
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Koalas March posted:Yeah, I distinctly remember people cheering Rahm on (I think someone literally said, "He's an unethical gently caress but he's on our side!") when he was working for Obama. That was more people like me, though - I was a hardcore centrist at the time. Lefties here were still pretty unsparing in their criticism of him.
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Realize that Perez nominated 70+ people to DNC at-large positions, so really if there's only 1 Clinton-old guard worth complaining about, that's a massive improvement.quote:A Democratic source told The Hill that Perez’s nominees would double the number of millennials and Native Americans currently represented at the DNC. It will also increase the DNC’s LGBT presence and representation from Puerto Ricans, at a time when Trump has been criticized for his response to the hurricane that has devastated the island territory. http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/355954-dnc-chairman-aims-for-diversity-with-delegate-nominations
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Koalas March posted:Yeah, I distinctly remember people cheering Rahm on (I think someone literally said, "He's an unethical gently caress but he's on our side!") when he was working for Obama. Rahm has always been the gold standard of awful Democrat, he is so hella bad it's unreal.
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Crowsbeak posted:The argument that awful person is good if they are your awful person is the path to destruction. Lets look at how Rahm has governed Chicago. Is that what you want? Is that what your comfortable. Trust me, this is not something I'm ok with. That said, I disagree with Donna and Joy on a lot of things and may not want them to have any type of leadership roles, but I can also acknowledge misogynoir against them. And for the record, I'm not accusing anyone in this thread of that. I just don't doubt that they get extra bile spit at them by the virtue of being prominent black women. At least I still have auntie Maxine. 
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Potato Salad posted:Unironically. Don't forget, Trump is going to make sure every American is insured. Many read into this that he's pro single payer. Or medicare expansion, just----uh, done right I guess. So basically, no, you have no evidence whatsoever that T_D has a leftist population outside of a few parroted campaign slogans that don't mean what you think they do (lol if you think anyone read into it that hes pro single payer) and you're fueled on pure delusion. Glad we got that covered. What is it like to just fabricate conspiracy horseshoe theories out of thin air?
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I haven't been following Virginia, but it was something to read these articles back to back. https://nyti.ms/2kWrrhO quote:Some in the party wish Mr. Northam would more aggressively trumpet the candidacy of Justin Fairfax, 38, a lawyer and the Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor who could be the first black candidate elected statewide since 1989. And a growing chorus of black activists and strategists say the party’s church-focused appeals are not reaching younger African-Americans. Instead, they say, Mr. Northam needs to talk directly about sensitive issues like policing and criminal justice for blacks under 40 to turn out. https://thinkprogress.org/virginia-gubernatorial-campaign-fliers-929fce27e960/amp/ quote:With less than three weeks to go before Virginia voters elect a new governor, Democratic nominee Ralph Northam sent out a campaign flier this week promoting the top of the party’s ticket that omitted the name and picture of Justin Fairfax, his black running mate.
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Crowsbeak posted:Well that she is a centrist monster, Like you. People like you are monsters. So are they on your camps and branding list?
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Koalas March posted:Trust me, this is not something I'm ok with. That's a fair point, and there are plenty of white male Democratic strategists who deserve at least as much derision as Brazile. That said, my problem with Brazile is mostly that she doesn't seem to be very good as a strategist/campaign manager, yet she keeps getting hired. She did a pretty lousy job as Dukakis' field director in 1988, helped bungle Gore's campaign in 2000, and certainly didn't help Clinton's campaign in 2016. I'd like it if the Democrats stopped hiring her for important positions, but the same is true of Jim Messina, Brian Fallon, Mark Penn, etc, etc. And yes, Maxine Waters is a loving hero, and the fact that people like Hannity hate her so much personally is proof.
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Motto posted:I haven't been following Virginia, but it was something to read these articles back to back.  That is phenomally bad holy poo poo. Labor unions being poo poo, Democratic Party being poo poo, everyone is poo poo in this poo poo sandwich and Fairfax is losing out because of it.
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Motto posted:I haven't been following Virginia, but it was something to read these articles back to back. Can’t think of a worse way to handle this.
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DC Murderverse posted:bernie people do not like her because she allegedly gave hillary clinton access to debate questions before a primary debate. this time next year you'll be dismissing it as conspiracy theory I suspect
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God Almighty.  Way to embody multiple bad caricatures of organized labor, LiUNA.And way to embody the caricature of a spineless Dem, Northam.
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Kilroy posted:yes "allegedly" Hillary was told about one question that was like the most blindingly obvious question that is going to happen at a political debate in this era(if I recall correctly was about abortion) that every politician should be prepared for anyways.
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BrandorKP posted:So are they on your camps and branding list? That list is private. Anyways I prefer struggle sessions. Koalas March posted:Trust me, this is not something I'm ok with. I will say if the dems were putting out Mook, or Podesta onto the DNC committees I would be equally pissed.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Hillary was told about one question that was like the most blindingly obvious question that is going to happen at a political debate in this era(if I recall correctly was about abortion) that every politician should be prepared for anyways. doesn't matter. also, this is thunderdome material, take it there
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Motto posted:I haven't been following Virginia, but it was something to read these articles back to back. that's entirely hosed up. why even bother having him as a running mate northam if you're that ashamed of him?
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Majorian posted:And yes, Maxine Waters is a loving hero, and the fact that people like Hannity hate her so much personally is proof. Maxine waters, another vile centrist who guarantees us Trump collided with Russia, and who spends her time misleading us into thinking this will lead to his impeachment.
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JeffersonClay posted:Maxine waters, another vile centrist who guarantees us Trump collided with Russia, and who spends her time misleading us into thinking this will lead to his impeachment. Don't come for auntie Maxine. She will snatch your wig.
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JeffersonClay posted:Maxine waters, another vile centrist who guarantees us Trump collided with Russia, and who spends her time misleading us into thinking this will lead to his impeachment. She supports Medicare for all, so she gets alot of passes from me.
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steinrokkan posted:At least when leftists criticize "their own", they focus on actual policies and opinions, meanwhile the best liberals can muster in keeping down leftists is character assassinations and sleazy insinuations. "What you said totally reminds me of Glenn Beck, are you a Russian bot?" My favorite is when someone on the left said that mainstream democrats should 'bend the knee' to Bernie's policies, then some brokebrained neolibs started flooding twitter about how that means sexual assault or something absurd along those lines. Interesting how so-called 'moderates' are actually extremists.
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JeffersonClay posted:Maxine waters, another vile centrist who guarantees us Trump collided with Russia, and who spends her time misleading us into thinking this will lead to his impeachment. I'll respond to this in Thunderdome.
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JeffersonClay posted:The people kvetching are the same people who call Joy Reid a transphobic centrist monster so I think you can probably figure out what they hate about Donna Brazile. Joy Reid is a transphobe. The poo poo she said about Chelsea Manning in the past, and her defending Kamala Harris's transphobic actions were complete bullshit. Edited because two separate instances blurred together in my mind. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Roland Jones posted:Joy Reid is a transphobe. The poo poo she defended and said to Chelsea Manning to try to defend Kamala Harris's transphobic actions was complete bullshit. Wait, what exactly did she say? I know she's against what Chelsea did (and in her defense Snowden iirc) but drat. Ya'll are Milkshake Ducking Joy for me 
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Koalas March posted:Wait, what exactly did she say? I know she's against what Chelsea did (and in her defense Snowden iirc) but drat. She said some pretty inexcusable poo poo. e: And has been doing it for years.
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Koalas March posted:Ya'll are Milkshake Ducking Joy for me In about five more years we'll realize that we're all milkshake duckable somehow
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Koalas March posted:Wait, what exactly did she say? I know she's against what Chelsea did (and in her defense Snowden iirc) but drat. Besides defending Harris for the transphobic stuff I talked about before, she went and tried to say that "maybe it's because Manning is trans that she did what she did and she'd have been less 'volatile' if she got surgery earlier. It's, at best, weird and lovely. And, yeah, she has a history of saying poo poo about Manning that's bad. I slightly mixed up another thing though; Manning called her out on Twitter for defending Harris's past actions, but Reid didn't respond then as far as I am aware. The two instances blurred together in my mind. So, ignore that bit; as far as I can tell, she didn't directly argue with Manning, sorry. I'll edit that part of that last post since it's pretty misleading. Still said some bad things, but not in the way I said earlier. My gently caress up there. Edit: That said, yeah, I'm pretty sure Reid, Harris, and others get more poo poo on account of being black women. There are probably at least some racists using their transphobic actions as a bludgeon who don't really care about trans people and/or give similar things a pass. Which is also awful. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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"Sources: Chief of Staff John Kelly Didn't Know Trump Would Publicize Obama Not Calling When His Son Died" Real headline on CNN right now.
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Khisanth Magus posted:Hillary was told about one question that was like the most blindingly obvious question that is going to happen at a political debate in this era(if I recall correctly was about abortion) that every politician should be prepared for anyways. It was about Flint I think. But anyway "I only cheated to get information I could have figured out anyway!" does not make her more ethical, it makes her less competent because it hurt the candidate's image in the general election for literally no reason. Being willing to risk helping Republicans just to keep someone else from winning the primary is bad enough, adding "but it didn't even help me anyway" is baffling political malpractice.
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Koalas March posted:What's wrong with Donna Brazile? I honestly have no idea. I only know her really from watching AM Joy. Out-of-touch with not only political trends, but most other trends as well. 
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Koalas March posted:Wait, what exactly did she say? I know she's against what Chelsea did (and in her defense Snowden iirc) but drat. She said the army should have supported Manning's mental health and transitioning needs, and had she felt supported by the military she might not have leaked poo poo in the first place. Apparently it's transphobic to suggest mental health could have affected a person's decision making.
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JeffersonClay posted:She said the army should have supported Manning's mental health and transitioning needs, and had she felt supported by the military she might not have leaked poo poo in the first place. Apparently it's transphobic to suggest mental health could have affected a person's decision making. It is transphobic to attribute a decision to be a whistleblower to being trans, yeah. Paging Dr. Samuel Cartwright to the phrenology ward.
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JeffersonClay posted:She said the army should have supported Manning's mental health and transitioning needs, and had she felt supported by the military she might not have leaked poo poo in the first place. Apparently it's transphobic to suggest mental health could have affected a person's decision making. Lol nope: Someone should add “transphobe” to your title.
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