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Koalas March posted:What's wrong with Donna Brazile? I honestly have no idea. I only know her really from watching AM Joy. She's a longtime DNC figure, who was the acting DNC chair after DWS resigned in the wake of various scandals where the DNC was perceived to be favoring Hillary over Bernie. She was subsequently caught up in a scandal of her own after one of the email leaks revealed that she was getting hold of debate questions early (presumably via her affiliation with CNN) and secretly sending them to Hillary before the debate. Regardless of the actual impact of her moves back then, they certainly damaged her image, and much of the left sees her as a Hillary loyalist who's willing to compromise her neutrality to bend the rules in Hillary's favor...which makes her an extremely questionable pick for the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee. On the other hand, she's just the most prominent of the establishment figures on that committee. Perez has nominated plenty of new figures and leftists to many of the DNC committees, but the Rules and Bylaws Committee is a conspicuous exception from that. Packing the committee that sets and interprets the rules with Hillary loyalists is not a good look for an organization that's been haunted by accusations of bias and rules-rigging, and will almost certainly cause more trouble down the road.
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Blacks have been slower to embrace the GLBT community due to religion so it's not particularly surprising to see establishment black Dems being trans phobic. Obama helped that a fair bit back in his tenure with the GL part of the equation. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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shrike82 posted:Blacks have been slower to embrace the GLBT community due to religion so it's not particularly surprising to see establishment black Dems being trans phobic. This is nonsense and furthers racist attacks on black people. poo poo like this also assumes that there aren't any LGBT black people. There is a thriving black lgbt scene where I live. No one gives a gently caress except old people.
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I dunno - defending Joy Ann Reid after she attacked Chelsea Manning for being trans seems pretty low to me
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shrike82 posted:I dunno - defending Joy Ann Reid after she attacked Chelsea Manning for being trans seems pretty low to me 2 rich black people with bad views is not representative of our loving community.
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shrike82 posted:Blacks Black people, not "blacks" jesus loving christ how many times do we have to go through this.
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WampaLord posted:Black people, not "blacks" jesus loving christ how many times do we have to go through this. Thank you!
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I think the latest Pew survey from this year shows support for same sex marriage by black people lagging behind white people by 13 points (51% to 64%). I was pretty clear about stating I think it's because of religion but there's no real point in denying the gap.
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shrike82 posted:Blacks have been slower to embrace the GLBT community due to religion so it's not particularly surprising to see establishment black Dems being trans phobic. It's almost as if LGBT issues aren't a left or right wing thing....
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Koalas March posted:This is nonsense and furthers racist attacks on black people. poo poo like this also assumes that there aren't any LGBT black people. There is a thriving black lgbt scene where I live. No one gives a gently caress except old people. Just FYI shrike82 is a racist troll who voted for Trump for the lulz, trying to engage in good faith is a waste of your precious time on Earth.
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Shrug, I guess I'm a Bernie bro - voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general. Happy with the results so far and plan to do the same in 2020
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Koalas March posted:This is nonsense and furthers racist attacks on black people. poo poo like this also assumes that there aren't any LGBT black people. There is a thriving black lgbt scene where I live. No one gives a gently caress except old people. Yeah, there are plenty of black LGBT people. And plenty of supportive black people, in my experience. I certainly haven't noticed disproportionate bigotry there, even if there has been some; that's not really unique to any particular community. And, on the topic of misogynoir, black trans women are disproportionately often victims of violent crimes, among a community of people that already is disproportionately victims of violent crime. There's a general problem with transphobia in the country, and the world really. It certainly isn't unique to black people; plenty of people have been super lovely about Chelsea Manning, and Caitlyn Jenner for that manner. (The latter is a particularly good subject to get Democrats, progressives, leftists, and others to say transphobic things, because they see her as a deserving target and don't hold back the bigotry.) Heck, I kind of suspect that without Trump's military ban, we'd see far fewer Democrats and co in general trying to appear supportive of trans people. He made it into a winning issue for them, but prior to that, support... Varied. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Just FYI shrike82 is a racist troll who voted for Trump for the lulz, trying to engage in good faith is a waste of your precious time on Earth. I'm aware. I'm pretty sure I've probated him before for being a shithead, but it still needs to be said. There is some racism in the gay community unfortunately, that liked to blame things like Prop 8 failing on black people and other bullshit. It only further drives each community away from each other. Also in this context I don't think 13 points is that big of a gap tbh. Also also, white people voted for Trump so it's not like anyone should really trust y'all 😂😂😂
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shrike82 posted:Shrug, I guess I'm a Bernie bro - voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general. Happy with the results so far and plan to do the same in 2020
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shrike82 posted:Shrug, I guess I'm a Bernie bro - voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general. Happy with the results so far and plan to do the same in 2020
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shrike82 posted:Shrug, I guess I'm a Bernie bro - voted for Bernie in the primaries and Trump in the general. Happy with the results so far and plan to do the same in 2020 Are you Harlan Hill?
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Koalas March posted:There is some racism in the gay community unfortunately, that liked to blame things like Prop 8 failing on black people and other bullshit. It only further drives each community away from each other. Yea this is true, I remember having to debunk "Prop 8 is all black people's fault" here on the forums from people who mysteriously didn't blame the results of every single other anti-gay referendum on white culture  Koalas March posted:Also also, white people voted for Trump so it's not like anyone should really trust y'all 😂😂😂 fake news
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ClancyEverafter posted:It is transphobic to attribute a decision to be a whistleblower to being trans, yeah. Paging Dr. Samuel Cartwright to the phrenology ward. Yes it's extremely phrenology to suggest people in transition who don't receive psychological care and who are shunned by a culture they cannot escape are more likely to suffer from mental illness. What a progressive sentiment.
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Willa Rogers posted:Out-of-touch with not only political trends, but most other trends as well.  I didn't even know about that. Holy poo poo, she is utterly tin eared.
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes it's extremely phrenology to suggest people in transition who don't receive psychological care and who are shunned by a culture they cannot escape are more likely to suffer from mental illness. What a progressive sentiment. You're really, really awful, you know that? You're being extremely disingenuous and obtuse to defend transphobia from someone with a history of saying lovely things about trans people, when people (including trans people) have already explained the problems with what she said and did.
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Shbobdb posted:Nazi has "socialism" in the name and is of the left. 
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes it's extremely phrenology to suggest people in transition who don't receive psychological care and who are shunned by a culture they cannot escape are more likely to suffer from mental illness. What a progressive sentiment. But what does that have to do with her decision to become a whistleblower?
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ClancyEverafter posted:But what does that have to do with her decision to become a whistleblower? Well, straight from the source of the argument.... https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/890441726611030017 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/890442214895218688 https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/890442334248239105
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Trabisnikof posted:Well, straight from the source of the argument.... What a poo poo head
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Good evening thr- holy poo poo. It's been a while since I've opened shrike posts, my God, this is admissible?
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Peak liberalism: not being content to let the US government murder civilians and hide behind national security to cover up the evidence is prima facie evidence of mental illness. Naturally.
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Trabisnikof posted:Well, straight from the source of the argument.... reads like "i'm not saying she did it cause she was trans, but because she was unsupported and trans..." which is still really bullshit
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Condiv posted:reads like "i'm not saying she did it cause she was trans, but because she was unsupported and trans..." which is still really bullshit Right. I mean if we're looking for stuff the military did to make Chelsea Manning more likely to "act out", how about murdering civilians and abusing the classification system to cover up the evidence.
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shrike82 posted:What a poo poo head Tell me what is wrong with her statements. Condiv posted:reads like "i'm not saying she did it cause she was trans, but because she was unsupported and trans..." which is still really bullshit Is it wrong to say an African American might have done it because they believe they weren't supported by this country because of their race? Because we have people kneeling for the national anthem for that same reason right?
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Potato Salad posted:Good evening thr- holy poo poo. R. Guyovich is too busy policing obvious threats to society who are posting jokes on this dead gay forum as opposed to actually addressing racists posters.
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Roland Jones posted:You're really, really awful, you know that? You're being extremely disingenuous and obtuse to defend transphobia from someone with a history of saying lovely things about trans people, when people (including trans people) have already explained the problems with what she said and did. If Joy Ann Reid said the only reason Chelsea Manning did a heroic thing is because she's trans, that would be transphobic. But Joy Ann Reid doesn't think Manning did something heroic. She thinks Manning made a mistake. She's suggesting the army, and not Manning, were ultimately at fault for that mistake because they hosed with her mental state by not supporting her transition, and didn't support her when she was demonstrating signs of psychological distress. Like the army took the bolt out of her rifle so she wouldn't hurt herself or others, but didn't provide any support for the problem itself. Feel free to criticize Joy for not viewing Manning as a hero, but criticizing her for suggesting that the army should treat its transgendered soldiers with dignity and meet their needs so they don't develop mental illness is dumb.
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JeffersonClay posted:If Joy Ann Reid said the only reason Chelsea Manning did a heroic thing is because she's trans, that would be transphobic. But Joy Ann Reid doesn't think Manning did something heroic. She thinks Manning made a mistake. She's suggesting the army, and not Manning, were ultimately at fault for that mistake because they hosed with her mental state by not supporting her transition, and didn't support her when she was demonstrating signs of psychological distress. Like the army took the bolt out of her rifle so she wouldn't hurt herself or others, but didn't provide any support for the problem itself. Feel free to criticize Joy for not viewing Manning as a hero, but criticizing her for suggesting that the army should treat its transgendered soldiers with dignity and meet their needs so they don't develop mental illness is dumb. The military should treat transgendered soliders with dignity and meet their needs. Saying that this was the cause of Manning's whistleblowing is dumb transphobic bullshit.
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Shbobdb posted:R. Guyovich is too busy policing obvious threats to society who are posting jokes on this dead gay forum as opposed to actually addressing racists posters. Like, yeah, you seem to be right.
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VitalSigns posted:The military should treat transgendered soliders with dignity and meet their needs. Only if you assume that Manning was a heroic truth teller and not a traitor, and most people don't. The suggestion that people suffering from mental illness make mistakes with profound negative consequences that could be avoided with proper treatment is not one we should be silencing.
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The Kingfish posted:Anyone who "disagrees" with Manning's decision to leak the collateral murder video is a bad person. What exactly did this leak achieve? You're acting all high and mighty over here and it's insane to me that much of the left- who used to constantly be about "There's no right or wrong there's a lot of grey area in the world and there's no subjective truth or morality" moved all of the sudden to "There's absolutely right and wrong and I am the arbitrator of it. Btw CHRISTIANITY AND RELIGION SUCKSSS BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BLACK AND WHITE FOR THEM  "Manning's Leak did none of the following: A: Bring back any of the people who died in those videos. B: Prevent anyone from further death nor changed the tactics of the people portrayed in the leaks. C: Increase transparency in the US Military. D: Convince anyone who though the Iraq War was right before that it was Wrong. Meanwhile it created the following consequences: A: It caused her to go to jail because what she did was patently illegal. B: It gave a Russian Spy OP legitimacy and implanted it in the minds of a nation during a time of increased tensions between the west & Russia. C: It enabled other leakers to follow her example and get themselves in trouble. D: It enabled Russia to participate in a dirty war of "Whataboutism" against every single American institution that culminated in influencing an entire election. E: It caused a popular sitting President to expend political capital by pardoning her after committing a patently illegal act and enabling a foreign power to undermine American democracy and replace its current sitting president with a dictator loving demagogue. I'm really not sure what that video and the documents gave us other than what we already knew. The Iraq War was bad. We already knew that. People were tortured in our prisons. We didn't need a video of people joking about murdering civilians to know that what was going on. Do you think the people in the video went to jail or faced any consequences? The consequences were already baked into the insane unpopularity of the war which lead to a historic election which was directly undermined by her actions. When you make a decision in life that is as significant as that one you better be drat well sure that your actions will make a difference because every single action has a very direct and serious consequence on our own life and the lives of others and I'm having a hard time believing that anything was gained from these actions.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Tell me what is wrong with her statements. she might've done it because she thought what the US was doing was wrong. and i think it's not a controversial statement to say that she was right to leak trying to pretend she was lashing out and was unconcerned with the issues she leaked over and was just upset cause she wasn't supported is hosed up. also, everyone should be protesting black people being murdered and brutalized by the police
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