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Kilroy posted:"There are advantages to being completely shut out of power." - shortly after the 2016 election The version she passed through the House had a public option. The House also passed climate change regulations. But yeah, this comment out of context sure proves that the conservatives Dems like Tim Ryan are right 
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Kilroy posted:"We're capitalists, okay, that's just the way it is." - response to a question about the appeal of socialism among youth Is she wrong?
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Oct 19, 2017 07:08
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Is she wrong? Yes.
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Oct 19, 2017 07:11
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RuanGacho posted:Yes. So Americans aren't capitalists and millenials don't love capitalism?
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Oct 19, 2017 07:12
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:Is she wrong?
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Oct 19, 2017 07:15
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:So Americans aren't capitalists and millenials don't love capitalism? I'm not sure why you have trouble grasping I exist. Wait, are you Nancy Pelosi?
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Oct 19, 2017 07:20
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Trabisnikof posted:The version she passed through the House had a public option. The House also passed climate change regulations. Assuming Pelosi is as effective a whip as she claims (something that seems dubious given that Obama's government was defined by its inability to unite and utilize its fleeting majorities when they were available), she should perhaps limit herself to that function and give up on agenda setting ambitions, because in that area she is pretty clearly out of touch.
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Oct 19, 2017 07:40
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steinrokkan posted:Assuming Pelosi is as effective a whip as she claims (something that seems dubious given that Obama's government was defined by its inability to unite and utilize its fleeting majorities when they were available), she should perhaps limit herself to that function and give up on agenda setting ambitions, because in that area she is pretty clearly out of touch.
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Oct 19, 2017 08:29
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Shbobdb posted:R. Guyovich is too busy policing obvious threats to society who are posting jokes on this dead gay forum as opposed to actually addressing racists posters. the punishment is in the queue you colossal dipshit
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Oct 19, 2017 09:27
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Roland Jones posted:You're still equating being trans with mental illness, just like Reid did. That is what's transphobic. (And the stuff VitalSigns mentions above too.) Being transgendered isn't the same thing as mental illness, it is however highly comorbid with mental illness when the transgendered person is socially ostracized, is the victim of violence, and does not receive needed services and support. That's exactly what Manning experienced in the Army, and she was presenting multiple symptoms of mental illness that the Army ignored.
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Oct 19, 2017 09:47
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Anyway, for me the big revelation about Manning video about how much lack of concern and power had the US military over the population it had been occupying. They had the technology and near impunity, and all it took was somehow to jump the gun over a camera to starting liquidating people from the sky. The guys in the video seemed like a bunch of Full Metal Jacket reactors with live ammo. As for the geopolitical "damage," it sounds like a return to the Cold War where we were always trying to minimize our atrocities by only talking about atrocities committed by the Soviets (which we deliberately under-research now when we actually have access to the archival material). That said, I think at its core is a struggle over belief: more importantly American nationalism and the once impunity we had over humanity. (Also, is the narrative now that the only reason Manning released the video was because of psychological illness? Not because she was disgusted with the US military?) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 09:54
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:and millenials don't love capitalism? Statistics show that millenials have historic low opinions of capitalism and its effects on the world in comparison to older generations
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Oct 19, 2017 11:06
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steinrokkan posted:Assuming Pelosi is as effective a whip as she claims (something that seems dubious given that Obama's government was defined by its inability to unite and utilize its fleeting majorities when they were available), she should perhaps limit herself to that function and give up on agenda setting ambitions, because in that area she is pretty clearly out of touch. Party discipline isn't just interested organs when you are a majority, it's also an important part of making sure that members of your side don't reach across the aisle to help the majority party.
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Oct 19, 2017 11:54
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Democrazy posted:Party discipline isn't just interested organs when you are a majority, it's also an important part of making sure that members of your side don't reach across the aisle to help the majority party. And I'm not convinced she's better at either than anybody else vying for her job would be.
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Oct 19, 2017 12:02
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Office Pig posted:https://twitter.com/vavreck/status/920842105836015616 Yeah if you don't read this as the "Lol hail Satan" joke that it is, I can't help you. Posters in here read this, instantly read it as an earnest desire...gently caress.
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Oct 19, 2017 12:14
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steinrokkan posted:And I'm not convinced she's better at either than anybody else vying for her job would be. I'm not aware of anyone who wants to replace her  I'm trying to think of a reliable progressive to put in her place and am coming up dry.
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Huh, that is a better read on how those statements were transphobic. Thank you for going to the trouble of explaining. Would it still be transphobic to include the lack of treatment as a grievance leading to Manning not to participating in the coverup? Like Omertà, treat soldiers well if their silence is required. Rockopolis fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 12:54
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VitalSigns posted:Yes, but this particular MIGF troll-opinion is indistinguishable from the sincere opinions of war crime apologists and enemies of the Bill of Rights that were common in D&D like The Iron Rose & friends. I had these arguments with people in 2014. Like the thought that maybe the kind of stuff Obama was doing might be really, really bad when the GOP gets back into power and the attitude was seriously that the Presidency was just the Democrat's turf forever.
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Oct 19, 2017 13:00
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Potato Salad posted:Yeah if you don't read this as the "Lol hail Satan" joke that it is, I can't help you. Posters in here read this, instantly read it as an earnest desire...gently caress. Come on, all of us have had our sense of credulity drastically altered by the past 10 months. I nearly fell for a conspiracy theory that Trump had hired a Melania impersonator to attend an event because she was wearing sun glasses 10 times larger than any if ever seen. I mean that's a batshit insane theory, but could you honestly say he wouldn't do it.
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Oct 19, 2017 13:01
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I don't think Trump cares about Melenia enough to hire an impersonator of her which is where that conspiracy theory first breaks down.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:But quite a few people in this thread defend their votes for Donald Trump. So what am I to believe? Citation needed
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RuanGacho posted:Yes. Who's anti-capitalist? e: Trevor Hill supported Bernie, so let's not go nuts with "he won't vote for a capitalist" WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 13:56
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Who's anti-capitalist? A majority of millenials according to Harvard University.
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Regardless of how many people are capitalist, saying "We are capitalist, and that's the way it is" is a good way to show a small, but potentially important group of people their ideas don't matter to you.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:06
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Btw here is the takeaway from that poll,quote:Majority of 18- to 29-Year-Olds Reject Both Socialism and Capitalism. When 18- to 29-year-old young Americans were asked whether or not they support socialism, capitalism, and other political theories and labels, a majority reject both socialism and capitalism. Socialism is supported by 33% of young Americans, while capitalism is supported by 42%. Among those most likely to vote, 41% support socialism and 52% support capitalism. Socialism is typically more supported by 18- to 20-year-olds (41%), Democrats (50%), Clinton voters (54%), Hispanics (38%) and African Americans (39%). Capitalism is more likely to be supported by people who have graduated from college (56%), whites (43%), men (49%), people who live in the South (46%) and the West (45%), and members of the GOP (54%). I think the racial and age split is the most interesting part.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:17
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VitalSigns posted:A majority of millenials according to Harvard University. And yet they love Bernie. Really makes you think
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Ardennes posted:Btw here is the takeaway from that poll, An important bit not mentioned is that 33% is the highest socialism has had in a while post-cold war, with 42% being capitalism's lowest.
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The issue, of course, is that capitalism, even with single-payer healthcare and $15 an hour minimum wage, is still bad. If millennials calling themselves anti-capitalist shows a real willingness to be anti-capitalist, then great. If it just means that they want social democracy, we’ve got a long way to go
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Oct 19, 2017 14:22
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I think that would be a fair point if Sanders wasn't (by a significant amount) the left-most major figure in American politics. Sanders' agenda is only social democratic, but social democracy is way to the left of most American official political dialogue. If anything it is illustrative how narrow political discourse is in DC compared to the rest of the population, especially among young people and why they feel so disenfranchised.Neurolimal posted:An important bit not mentioned is that 33% is the highest socialism has had in a while post-cold war, with 42% being capitalism's lowest. Yeah, the sun is setting a bit on the "dream of the 90s."
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Oct 19, 2017 14:28
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Social democracy is also fundamentally incapable of addressing the fundamental problems with our economy. Bernie is, at best, a lesser evil, not somebody to be celebrated
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Oct 19, 2017 14:39
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What is the ideal here for socialist policies? Saying you support capitalism or socialism seems pretty god drat vague since there is a lot of ground between making literally everything 100% market based, and 100% central government planning.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:42
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https://twitter.com/chrs00/status/920934230099623936 Apropos of nothing, this ad is loving brutal.
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Oct 19, 2017 14:55
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/chrs00/status/920934230099623936 Someone in their marketing apparatus is doing their job extremely well. Malevolently, but well.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:07
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I'm a little surprised an ad in HK is in full English like that.
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Oct 19, 2017 15:08
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/chrs00/status/920934230099623936 ad is wrong. we'll be allowed to retire just like when our boots are when we're destroyed and useless and ready to be thrown into society's garbage pile
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Oct 19, 2017 15:09
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Condiv posted:ad is wrong. we'll be allowed to retire just like when our boots are 
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Oct 19, 2017 15:19
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https://twitter.com/crampell/status/920686942580346880
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Oct 19, 2017 15:32
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Tax Policy Center throwing a bit more shade than usual about the planned tax code changes: https://twitter.com/RenuZ/status/920986218363604992
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Oct 19, 2017 15:35
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They're upset that Chipotle can't get employee costs under 27%. This feels like the Henry thing again.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Social democracy is also fundamentally incapable of addressing the fundamental problems with our economy. Bernie is, at best, a lesser evil, not somebody to be celebrated How so? Which fundamental problems are you talking about? I mean, a top 90% tax rate and a universal basic income wouldn't solve every problem but it would solve most problems that are solvable short of immanentizing the eschaton.
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