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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9883104 Rrrgh what's the point of having a veto when these EU-cum-lickers never use it! They wouldn't hold this poo poo back for Finland's demand of ten million tons more, they got too much negative EU press for another debacle. We've done our due diligence in regards to forest management while Poland is cutting down prehistoric forests, we are well within our rights to tell them to gently caress off.
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DarkCrawler posted:https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9883104 Silläkin riskillä että kuulostan foliohatulta sanon että palkintovirka? It is weird that with kepu heading this ship of fools they didn´t push harder on total cut everything and god will sort it out. Seems the only member of this government to have working balls is pushing seventy.
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DarkCrawler posted:https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9883104 quote:Suomen mukaan komission versio olisi johtanut tilanteeseen, jossa hakkuiden lisääminen olisi pakottanut Suomen vähentämään päästöjä jostain muualta tai ostamaan päästöoikeuksia muilta mailta. HERRA JUMALA MIKÄ TRAGEDIA
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Hmm yes let's paralyze the EU decision-making process to defend our god-given right to cut down 10% more forest
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komission versio olisi johtanut tilanteeseen, jossa Suomi olisi pakotettu noudattamaan ilmastopoliittisia sitoumuksiaan
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Herman Merman posted:komission versio olisi johtanut tilanteeseen, jossa Suomi olisi pakotettu noudattamaan ilmastopoliittisia sitoumuksiaan Kepu gonna kepu.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BaRxb9HASfN/ I'm actually pretty sure most keskusta members are crypto-maoists. That monomanic obsession with the countryside just isn't compatible with capitalism.
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True Finns and Blue Future are in a war of words again. Timo Soini is writing in his ploki that TF are going thru BF's member cards and kicking out any TF member who is found amongst the signers, calling such behavior "STASI-like". Indeed, there have been some movement from TF to BF, with some old guard moving out. Now that they've collected all the necessary member cards to register themselves as an actual party, we'll see how blue the future will be. Is there room for a racist-free populist-nationalist party?
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Rexroom posted:True Finns and Blue Future are in a war of words again. Timo Soini is writing in his ploki that TF are going thru BF's member cards and kicking out any TF member who is found amongst the signers, calling such behavior "STASI-like". Indeed, there have been some movement from TF to BF, with some old guard moving out. Now that they've collected all the necessary member cards to register themselves as an actual party, we'll see how blue the future will be. Is there room for a racist-free populist-nationalist party? lol
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It's weird because ITT I'm the only true true Finn and I could never join TF or Blue Cheese (or whatever). What I'm saying is Finland Proper should separate from Finland poo poo just like Catalan should separete from Poo Spain.
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Jerry Cotton posted:It's weird because ITT I'm the only true true Finn and I could never join TF or Blue Cheese (or whatever). So you say 
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DanTheFryingPan posted:So you say Literally my (Mongol) relative:  you blondies can keep your Åland or whateverthefuck viking shithole
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We should put a military base on Åland. No not a naval base. Just a regular morttikerho, where they can learn to be människor. Just tranfer the one from Kajaani. No one will know the difference.
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Looks like the supposed benefits (saving money) from centralization and merging of municipalities into bigger units didn't happen. https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9888280
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In further uudistus news, I think we're reaching MAXIMUM CLUSTERFUUUCKK again this week. Looks like another one of this government's long pullbacks is going to ensue: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9888987 https://www.hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000005412988.html?share=ea7e3c7a5b15920df16358aed7007ba7 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9888737
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Rexroom posted:I'm beginning to think that as long as NC is in government, there is just no way SOTE will ever be done. Sipilä was probably their best chance, only reason he's Kepu and not Cock is because it's way easier to get elected in the middle of nowhere if you're LandeGreen and not CityBlue. EDIT: Whoops? http://blogit.apu.fi/uuninpankkopoikasakutimonen/2017/10/18/lynkataan-tyoton-paivassa/ http://tiinaarlin.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/244596-syyton-tyoton-kunnes-toisin-todistetaan https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9887828 Hmm, I wonder why they didn't invite a single loving one of them. Who the hell even watches A-Studio anymore, it's about as funny and has journalism less biting then Uutisvuoto. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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DarkCrawler posted:only reason [Sibe]'s Kepu and not Cock is because it's way easier to get elected in the middle of nowhere if you're LandeGreen and not CityBlue. Actually it's because he's in a weird child-raping cult Or are these actually the same thing??????????
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Rappaport posted:Actually it's because he's in a weird child-raping cult Could go KD or even Persu. Dude don't give a gently caress about his cult beyond what it can profit him, his real God is Fat Stacks. Not to say he hasn't raped any children, he looks like the dictionary image for "pederast". DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Oct 18, 2017 |
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https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-9889808quote:Uutinen tässä on vain se, että joko taas.
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I'm not actually a fan and this dude is literally wrong in the head. https://jeresumell2017.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/fanin-muotokuva-minusta/
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Jerry Cotton posted:I'm not actually a fan and this dude is literally wrong in the head. Considering that head sports that loving beard. Literally yes.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Considering that head sports that loving beard. Literally yes. Looking back that portrait is way too forgiving. I did it after about 50€ of beer. e: The dude is incredibly annoying and probably has Asperger's and I don't mean that as an insult.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Oh gosh I just realized he probably posts ITT. Don't think anybody would admit to voluntarily living in Turku, so you're probably safe.
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DarkCrawler posted:In further uudistus news, I think we're reaching MAXIMUM CLUSTERFUUUCKK again this week. Looks like another one of this government's long pullbacks is going to ensue: quote:MAANANTAINA koolla olleen asiantuntijaryhmän pelkona ei niinkään ole se, että suomalaiset asiakkaat haluaisivat siirtyä julkiselta puolelta laumoittain yksityiselle – monihan on varsin tyytyväinen julkisiin erikoissairaanhoidon palveluihin. Suurempi pelko on se, että lääkärit ja muu hoitohenkilökunta siirtyvät. The experts (none of whom was named): "The big problem here is that if people are allowed to choose their healthcare provider, we might have to pay doctors and nurses better wages which means we might have to actually become efficient, like the private sector. That is bad." quote:Toinen esiin noussut huoli liittyy perustuslakiin. Jos maakunnat velvoitetaan antamaan asiakasseteleitä, se saattaa kaventaa niiden päätösvaltaa. Tulevien maakuntien on tarkoitus olla itsehallinnollisia yksiköitä, jotka päättävät itse asioistaan. Meanwhile, actual experts (not mentioned in any of your articles, quelle surprise): http://vatt.fi/artikkeli/-/asset_publisher/valinnanvapaudesta-voi-olla-hyotya-myos-erikoissairaanhoidossa Though, once again, it took a whole 2 days from the media hysteria for a solution to have been found, the government stays in office, the economy continues growing, goons keep on whining etc.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:The experts (none of whom was named): "The big problem here is that if people are allowed to choose their healthcare provider, we might have to pay doctors and nurses better wages which means we might have to actually become efficient, like the private sector. That is bad." That's a pretty dishonest read of that criticism. The point is that Mehiläinen et al. will hoard expert surgeons etc. so they can sell surgeries to geriatric Russian oligarchs, while pihtiputaan mummo doesn't have decent doctors even in loving päivystys. Health care shouldn't be run on a for profit basis.
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I see that GP is back to assuming that people are bleep bloop perfectly informed rational robots who totally have the medical expertise and access to detailed patient information required to pick the best possible doctor for what ails them. Sure is lucky that people are like that, or else it would be a really dishonest defense of heinous bullshit wrapped up in a false concern for respecting people's agency.
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Better pay doesn't make päivystystunnit any more desirable. That's what acute care is. loving expensive, on bad hours and really vital part of the healthcare system.* * Unless you subscribe to the care philosophy of "Die die die" This is yet another example of private side trying to skim the profits (Hip surgeries) and socializing the costs (Päivystys) of a comprehensive care.
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Sipilä is apparently in trouble with his own party. There's been indications of that before, but it's probably getting serious now that the Incest League is tanking in the polls hard and Sipilä's incompetence at everything is apparent. https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005414677.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=ios.is.fi&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=tweet-share
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https://twitter.com/Juho_p/status/920924434684313600 Paavo Väyrynen is gonna be the one-man opposition party to the opposition.
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Rappaport posted:That's a pretty dishonest read of that criticism. The point is that Mehiläinen et al. will hoard expert surgeons etc. so they can sell surgeries to geriatric Russian oligarchs, while pihtiputaan mummo doesn't have decent doctors even in loving päivystys. Health care shouldn't be run on a for profit basis. There is nothing that keeps Mehiläinen from hiring surgeons to cut open Russian oligarchs today (also, Finland isn't exactly a hub for medical tourism, you're taking a tiny issue and making it much bigger than it seems). If Mehiläinen can hire surgeons to operate on high networth patients who are willing to pay more, they can already do it today. The proposed reform would not pay Mehiläinen more per surgery than it would the local hospital, so if Mehiläinen can still hire doctors for more, it is either the result of improved efficiency (good) or Mehiläinen's shareholders accepting a loss (also good). adhuin posted:Better pay doesn't make päivystystunnit any more desirable. Cerebral Bore posted:I see that GP is back to assuming that people are bleep bloop perfectly informed rational robots who totally have the medical expertise and access to detailed patient information required to pick the best possible doctor for what ails them. Sure is lucky that people are like that, or else it would be a really dishonest defense of heinous bullshit wrapped up in a false concern for respecting people's agency. Ah, yes, teenage communist 101: People (especially poor people) are too dumb to make decisions, so the government should make all of them. I'm not an expert on aviation but I can still pick which airlines to fly. I'm not an expert on car safety, yet somehow I can still decide which car to drive. I'm not a biologist, but I can still pick which foods I want to eat without getting poisoned. Maybe it's just luck, but somehow these things seem to work out with the government serving as a supervisor instead of a producer. Then there are the mountains of evidence showing that ability to choose (in many cases, not all) leads to much higher patient satisfaction and generally better outcomes. See the VATT article posted for references. You probably won't, though.
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Rexroom posted:https://twitter.com/Juho_p/status/920924434684313600 5/5 would vote every time. Paavo still the only candidate with integrity Pave posted:Omalta osaltani mahdollinen ehdokkuus on vasta harkittavana. Kun olin Kultaranta-keskustelujen jälkeen ilmoittanut, että en voi enää tukea Sauli Niinistön uudelleenvalintaa, olen saanut runsaasti pyyntöjä asettua itse ehdolle. Olen luvannut pohtia asiaa.  e: Geriatric Pirate posted:I'm not an expert on aviation but I can still pick which airlines to fly. I'm not an expert on car safety, yet somehow I can still decide which car to drive. I'm not a biologist, but I can still pick which foods I want to eat without getting poisoned. hahahahahahahahhahahahahah DanTheFryingPan fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Ah, yes, teenage communist 101: People (especially poor people) are too dumb to make decisions, so the government should make all of them. Teenage capitalist 101: I can choose thing X, so why can't I choose entirely different thing Y? It works in most cases, so obviously it must work in this case, even though I just said it doesn't work in all cases. The free market will provide a solution to this conundrum, I'm sure. Also it's pretty funny how you literally doubled down on the thing I was saying you were doing, but I guess picking up on sarcasm isn't your strong suit either.
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Rexroom posted:https://twitter.com/Juho_p/status/920924434684313600 Paavo is too good for Finland
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Cerebral Bore posted:Teenage capitalist 101: I can choose thing X, so why can't I choose entirely different thing Y? It works in most cases, so obviously it must work in this case, even though I just said it doesn't work in all cases. The free market will provide a solution to this conundrum, I'm sure. This is about giving the same choice, currently enjoyed mainly by the rich, to everyone. It's not about letting people decide which operations they want to have, it's letting then choose the doctor for them.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:What's the problem with the private sector taking on certain parts of the system, doing them more efficiently and leaving others for the government? I mean that's the job of the government, to provide essential services that the private sector doesn't want to provide. It's basically stealing from common good to fund private greed, while not taking any attached responsibility. So nothing wrong for the kok. Talk isn't about allowing private hospitals for self-paying customers. It is about forcing maakunnat to pay for private care with public money. Governments job isn't to subsidize your greed.
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