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It's important that we remain capitalist so labor is reliably ground into paste and companies selfishly ruin our climate until human life is no longer possible on earth
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:How so? Which fundamental problems are you talking about? In a surprise twist, XCOM3 is about how humans are actually all libertarians.
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Reminder that a ton of car companies were caught cheating environmental regs put in place to protect what sliver of a chance humans will have a liveable earth in 100 years just so they could make an extra buck
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The CIA has fired an important analyst very publicly via twitter. This is more than a little upsetting. Thread https://twitter.com/CIA/status/920758204140785664
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We should let that dog run the CIA 🌹 🐶 🌹
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Oct 19, 2017 15:52
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The Kingfish posted:We should let that dog run the CIA 🌹 🐶 🌹 I smell a lovely direct to dvd kids movie.
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Chipotle needs to retaliate somehow. Not really sure how, though - throw rotten veggie or something at them? At the very least there's got to be some kind of  on Twitter they can do.
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Rockopolis posted:Chipotle needs to retaliate somehow. Not really sure how, though - throw rotten veggie or something at them? Print out the article, frame & hang it somewhere
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Oct 19, 2017 16:07
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Neurolimal posted:Print out the article, frame & hang it somewhere Go full worker owned cooperative out of spite.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:13
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The Kingfish posted:We should let that dog run the CIA 🌹 🐶 🌹 Air Bud 6: Canine Intelligence Agency
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Oct 19, 2017 16:14
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Rockopolis posted:Chipotle needs to retaliate somehow. Not really sure how, though - throw rotten veggie or something at them? They probably still have some of that diseased food from a few years ago sitting around, right?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Social democracy is also fundamentally incapable of addressing the fundamental problems with our economy. Bernie is, at best, a lesser evil, not somebody to be celebrated he's the pragmatic choice for america
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Oct 19, 2017 16:17
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but that's suddenly a bad thing, according to pragmatism scholar whiskeyjuvenile
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That said, if a candidate was able to move to the left of Sanders, I would certainly be interested looking into them. As it is, even a social democrat is treated like an extremist.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:46
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Rockopolis posted:Chipotle needs to retaliate somehow. Not really sure how, though - throw rotten veggie or something at them? Maybe they can give them e coli.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:48
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Send Wall Street to the guillotine.
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Oct 19, 2017 16:58
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I mean I'm p sure LBJ would have identified as a capitalist so why is there all this 60s nostalgia around here toward giving his D a L(ong) BJ?
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withak posted:Send Wall Street to the guillotine. Come on, be reasonable. That would be the thing to do no matter how they valued Chipotle.
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Oct 19, 2017 17:16
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yronic heroism posted:I mean I'm p sure LBJ would have identified as a capitalist so why is there all this 60s nostalgia around here toward giving his D a L(ong) BJ? History... moved forward.
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Roland Jones posted:(The latter is a particularly good subject to get Democrats, progressives, leftists, and others to say transphobic things, because they see her as a deserving target and don't hold back the bigotry.) Generally speaking many liberals respond very poorly when they feel that a member of a minority group is "betraying" them, regardless of whether they're Republicans or leftists. You see this in the kinda hosed up way liberals talk about black/gay Republicans* or people on the left like Nina Turner. They're comfortable with the idea of being friendly allies, but they'll turn on them the moment someone acts angry/rude or doesn't align with them politically. *Not that it isn't a bad idea to be a Republican as a minority, but there's a particular viciousness to the rhetoric used against people like black Republicans that isn't used against white Republicans. JeffersonClay posted:If Joy Ann Reid said the only reason Chelsea Manning did a heroic thing is because she's trans, that would be transphobic. But Joy Ann Reid doesn't think Manning did something heroic. She thinks Manning made a mistake. She's suggesting the army, and not Manning, were ultimately at fault for that mistake because they hosed with her mental state by not supporting her transition, and didn't support her when she was demonstrating signs of psychological distress. Like the army took the bolt out of her rifle so she wouldn't hurt herself or others, but didn't provide any support for the problem itself. Feel free to criticize Joy for not viewing Manning as a hero, but criticizing her for suggesting that the army should treat its transgendered soldiers with dignity and meet their needs so they don't develop mental illness is dumb. The problem is that it's effectively denying her agency. It's basically arm-chair attributing her acts to mental illness, which is an extremely cynical and sleazy way to attempt to discredit someone. Even if you disagree with her actions, it's extremely condescending and inappropriate to say "well, I'm sure she didn't even understand what she was doing because she's so goddamn crazy (due to being trans, you see)!"
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Oct 19, 2017 17:17
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Ytlaya posted:The problem is that it's effectively denying her agency. It's basically arm-chair attributing her acts to mental illness, which is an extremely cynical and sleazy way to attempt to discredit someone. Only if you assume what she did was a good and noble thing in the first place. Ytlaya posted:. Even if you disagree with her actions, it's extremely condescending and inappropriate to say "well, I'm sure she didn't even understand what she was doing because she's so goddamn crazy (due to being trans, you see)!" She wasn't suffering from mental illness because she was trans, she was suffering from mental illness because she was the victim of social ostracization and violence. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 17:19
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JeffersonClay posted:Only if you assume what she did was a good and noble thing in the first place. No even if you disagree with what she did, you can still credit her with acting out of principles that you happen to not like rather than erasing her agency and saying it must have been the gender dysphoria taking you goon.
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Oct 19, 2017 17:24
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VitalSigns posted:No even if you disagree with what she did, you can still credit her with acting out of principles that you happen to not like rather than erasing her agency and saying it must have been the gender dysphoria taking you goon. There's no reason it can't be both. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Oct 19, 2017 17:27
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Re: Manning chat - if only there was some middle ground between not publicly whistle blowing on a war crime caught on tape and giving unfettered access to everything you can find to a rapist Pepe/Russia troll. If only such a tape could be revealed without also leaking a million unrelated documents.
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What every mentally ill person fears is that everything they do will be picked apart for sincerity vs 'the illness'. Here's a tip: it's all us, there's no separation. Our feelings or thoughts are valid even when triggered by stress - perhaps even moreso - for what could be a more honest portrait of someone?
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Oct 19, 2017 17:30
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JeffersonClay posted:She wasn't suffering from mental illness because she was trans, she was suffering from mental illness because she was the victim of social ostracization and violence. The Joy Reid tweet that started this conversation directly attributed her actions to a lack of proper care related to being trans. Also, even if it was due to some mental illness, it's still wrong to attribute all of a mentally ill person's actions to their mental illness. People with, say, depression are still capable of having agency.
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Oct 19, 2017 17:32
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Without clear definitions of what it actually means to be capitalist and socialist, not any real discussion of concrete steps toward socialism in American life, I'm not clear just how meaningful polling on capitalism and socialism is.steinrokkan posted:And I'm not convinced she's better at either than anybody else vying for her job would be. While it's impossible to know how good anyone else would be, given the inherently hypothetical nature of the question, a glance at the other side does reveal what happens when you have a leadership which can't muster party unity and discipline. Meanwhile, there's scant evidence that she hasn't been an effective leader within the caucus itself. I think it's also telling how little Schumer's name actually gets brought up into these conversations, which should give people pause.
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JeffersonClay posted:Only if you assume what she did was a good and noble thing in the first place. I think we can attribute your opinions on this to the fact that her name will be in history books, and they’re going to print an Excel sheet showing how you saved the company ten cents once on your tombstone, which nobody will ever visit.
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Oct 19, 2017 17:44
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yronic heroism posted:Re: Manning chat - if only there was some middle ground between not publicly whistle blowing on a war crime caught on tape and giving unfettered access to everything you can find to a rapist Pepe/Russia troll. If only such a tape could be revealed without also leaking a million unrelated documents. There wasn't, and it was good manning leaked what she did. Further, no harm came to anyone cause of the revelations, and thus manning was totally justified in leaking and her imprisonment was totally unjustified and cruel hth yronic
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Oct 19, 2017 17:45
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Oct 19, 2017 17:47
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Chances that this dude is "infowars" style media and not a real journalist?
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Oct 19, 2017 17:50
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bunch of loving snowflakes
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Ytlaya posted:The Joy Reid tweet that started this conversation directly attributed her actions to a lack of proper care related to being trans. It said specifically there's no evidence that being trans led her to leak the documents. quote:Also, even if it was due to some mental illness, it's still wrong to attribute all of a mentally ill person's actions to their mental illness. People with, say, depression are still capable of having agency. Mental illness doesn't need to explain the entirety of Manning's decision making for it to be important. Like maybe sans major depression Manning just leaks the war crime video and not a bunch of sensitive diplomatic cables.
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Oct 19, 2017 17:51
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JeffersonClay posted:It said specifically there's no evidence that being trans led her to leak the documents. Maybe sans sociopathic selfishness you’d stop posting.
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*background: video of US soldiers murdering innocent civilians* Oh no are the diplomatic cables okay?!
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VitalSigns posted:*background: video of US soldiers murdering innocent civilians* Yeah those cables being made public put people in danger you moron.
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Condiv posted:There wasn't [Citation needed]
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ClancyEverafter posted:Maybe sans sociopathic selfishness you’d stop posting. Mental illness is the only thing keeping Lowtax's family off the street.
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VitalSigns posted:*background: video of US soldiers murdering innocent civilians* Why did the cables need to be leaked in order to leak the video? You are aware those are separate things. Would you applaud Trump nuking LA just because he managed to bankrupt Harvey Weinstein in the process? yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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