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Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)
Buglord
someone explain to me how does mongodb make money

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PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


Symbolic Butt posted:

someone explain to me how does mongodb make money

services iirc

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Phoenixan
Jan 16, 2010

Just Keep Cool-idge

duz posted:

publisher has said it won't be in future editions, implying it's in the current edition

https://twitter.com/pearson/status/920764076833329155
i could talk endlessly about the bullshit around college textbooks since i worked in distributing them for some years. it's really a huge racket and i'm glad i have nothing to do with it anymore

early editions of books are also filled with rampant typos and misinformation since the publishers don't bother checking anything anymore, and instead just leave it up to professors who may approve/disapprove of a title & leave feedback on a form

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003


ban donald trump too while you're at it

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Moist von Lipwig posted:

I got my mattress and box spring at an auction house as a mismatch. they were like $250 down from $4000 and comfortable as hell

well that's my story, thanks

https://twitter.com/granttanaka/status/648987230149578752

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ycx9hFGHog&hd=1

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

wyoak posted:

Who thinks Pinochet was "extremely cool and good" that could be a bit of a strawman

there are plenty of alt-right types who idolize Pinochet for “showing those lefties what’s what”

have you not seen the “free helicopter rides” T-shirts?

(he had political opponents thrown from helicopters too)

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

https://medium.com/uber-screeds/uber-is-charging-drivers-to-work-b7bf357d9647

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012


this is unbelievably foul

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003


:stare:

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry
lmaoooowwwwwwwwww

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

so irl loot boxes, cool

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
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Must also work Christmas Eve and Christmas from 8am till 2am; anything less will incur penalty and fees

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




oh my

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

that sort of horseshit is why i think every high school student should be required to take a class called "stupid human tricks" where they teach you the psychological and mathematical phenomena that underlie scams and confidence tricks, and how those concepts are exploited on a large scale

it would be a really popular class bc everyone loves to learn how to trick people, and it would cover everything from "how credit card companies make money" to "what it means when a deal looks like you can't lose"

e: i'd also stick in some of the opposite stuff -- "how tax brackets work, or why taxes SOUND like a scam but actually aren't"

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Oct 20, 2017

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

I’ve long thought that the whole concept of uber was to apply the techniques of retail sales to the labor force. loyalty programs, incentives, etc. basically make the whole idea of working so confusing that you can generate a lot of margin by making people think they’re getting a good deal

it’s the GENUINE SWISS WATCH ORIGINALLY $1000 YOURS FOR ONLY $299 but for labor

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
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Sagebrush posted:

that sort of horseshit is why i think every high school student should be required to take a class called "stupid human tricks" where they teach you the psychological and mathematical phenomena that underlie scams and confidence tricks, and how those concepts are exploited on a large scale

it would be a really popular class bc everyone loves to learn how to trick people, and it would cover everything from "how credit card companies make money" to "what it means when a deal looks like you can't lose"

e: i'd also stick in some of the opposite stuff -- "how tax brackets work, or why taxes SOUND like a scam but actually aren't"
lmao if you think republicans want people to be educated at all. the capitalism gods requires people to be dumb and pliable

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
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im ded

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

duTrieux. posted:

The defendant, an assembly line worker named Jorge Ferro, claims he was taunted for being gay and threatened with violence. “Watch your back,” one supervisor told him after mocking his “gay tight” clothing, the paper said. After complaining to an HR representative, Ferro was repeatedly moved to different assembly lines, but the harassment didn’t stop.

Ultimately, HR told him there was “no place for handicapped people at Tesla” after noticing an old scar on his wrist, according to The Guardian. He was sent home, and eventually terminated.

so to avoid seeming anti-gay they pretended to be anti-handicapped? you can legally fire someone for being gay in many states but the disabled are a federally protected class. forget morals or decency, who the gently caress is training these managers on proper rear end-covering?


elon musk is like a big bang theory character come to life

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


why the jew scare parentheses around Morty

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

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muskman is prolly just out of touch that he doesn't even know what it means and thats what the cool kids are doing, like some steve buscemi poo poo

i like that justin roiland is the normal looking one

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


FCKGW posted:

so irl loot boxes, cool

speaking of, am I wrong in thinking that the whole loot box trend is on thin ice legally?

you pay money to buy a completely random chance at a prize which is worth money, perhaps more than you paid originally. in some cases the prize can even be sold for money-equivalents. it is gambling.

it seems like the first time an AG or lawmaker has a kid that runs up a bill in Overwatch or Counterstrike the whole industry could be in for a reckoning.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Shifty Pony posted:

speaking of, am I wrong in thinking that the whole loot box trend is on thin ice legally?

you pay money to buy a completely random chance at a prize which is worth money, perhaps more than you paid originally. in some cases the prize can even be sold for money-equivalents. it is gambling.

it seems like the first time an AG or lawmaker has a kid that runs up a bill in Overwatch or Counterstrike the whole industry could be in for a reckoning.

money equivalents is different from money unless you meant cash equivalents ur a money order or something

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


I mean that I'm some cases (Valve) you can sell your prizes in a market run by the company for credit which is not even obfuscated by being "coins" or "gems" but is instead expressed in dollars. it can also be used in place of or in combination with actual dollars to buy various things.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

I completely forgot you could sell some of those things for steam credit, I was just thinking of stuff like overwatch

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

I'm guessing with the Steam thing you can never actually get cash dollar back out the other end though, which is probably where their 'not gambling!' argument rests.

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

Sagebrush posted:

that sort of horseshit is why i think every high school student should be required to take a class called "stupid human tricks" where they teach you the psychological and mathematical phenomena that underlie scams and confidence tricks, and how those concepts are exploited on a large scale

it would be a really popular class bc everyone loves to learn how to trick people, and it would cover everything from "how credit card companies make money" to "what it means when a deal looks like you can't lose"

e: i'd also stick in some of the opposite stuff -- "how tax brackets work, or why taxes SOUND like a scam but actually aren't"

We covered payday loans in math class when we were learning about exponential growth and percentages and suchlike. It was a good teaching moment.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

NoneMoreNegative posted:

I'm guessing with the Steam thing you can never actually get cash dollar back out the other end though, which is probably where their 'not gambling!' argument rests.

here we have tons of "arcades" that are just full of video poker and stuff like that where you win "prizes" where the prizes are gift cards, gambling laws are weird

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


NoneMoreNegative posted:

I'm guessing with the Steam thing you can never actually get cash dollar back out the other end though, which is probably where their 'not gambling!' argument rests.

it doesn't matter, non-cash prizes are still prizes. much more clever people have tried that line of argument and have been shut down repeatedly by courts.

there are three parts of the test for if something is gambling:

1. it requires payment of some form by the player
2. it is based on chance, and
3. winning gets the player something of value, either by directly giving the player a thing which has intrinsic value or causing the game operator to perform a service for the player which is a loss of money or revenue for the game operator.

sweepstakes avoid being called gambling by not requiring payment to enter which avoids test 1.

arcades get around being called gambling by making the ticket payout games skill based not random chance based which avoids test 2. some states count poker and card games (even video versions) as skill based games.

test 3 is why a casino slot machine with tickets to attend an in-demand show at the casino as the prize would still be gambling - not selling that seat to a paying
customer is a loss and thus has value.

loot crates require payment by the player (both in time to obtain one and money to open it), are completely chance based at odds determined by the game maker, and give away items of value to the player and to the game maker (because in most cases the maker could easily sell the top item for cash in a market).

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
something like 90% of the tech bubel is using technology to find ways around legislation (or find areas where legislation hasnt caught up) and make money until the law shows up. labor laws (uber), consumer protection laws (kickstarter), gambling laws (loot crates), money laundering and drug distribution laws (bitcoin and silk road), etc etc

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av
I was appalled at learning what "loot crates" were. does no one involved realize they're goddamn slot machines

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




hackbunny posted:

I was appalled at learning what "loot crates" were. does no one involved realize they're goddamn slot machines

they are the culmination of developments that tripled the value of gaming industry in recent years, and a very effective one at that, so there's enormous industry pushback against gambling legislature application to them

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




and yes, everyone except children get what they are, but children are the main prey

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




surprisingly enough, china currently is the most progressive state on the planet when it comes to treating lootboxes for what they are

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

to be clear we're talking about in-game boxes of items that might contain something good but are probably poo poo, and not "loot crate" the mail service that sends you a box of overpriced poo poo they couldn't sell at hot topic every month, which i've only just realized should be called "funkobukuro", yeah?

do strictly cosmetic, non-transferable game skins like the ones in overwatch count as items of value? they do absolutely nothing to give anyone any advantage in gameplay, and they can't be redeemed for anything, and also they're free to open unlike the poo poo csgo ones that buy loving keys at two, three bucks each to open a box with an EV of maybe 20 cents if you could sell the item on the in-game marketplace, which you aren't doing

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

chinese law forces games to list out all the possible things you can win from in game slot machines

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

flakeloaf posted:

do strictly cosmetic, non-transferable game skins like the ones in overwatch count as items of value?

whether it has a gameplay effect doesn't matter for the purposes of this argument. they probably would unambiguously count if blizzard gave you the option to put down some money and pick out the one you want from a list in addition to the random crates, but afaik they do not, you can only buy them with the tokens that came out of loot crates in the first place. all these systems have multiple layers of currency and value to muddy the waters around where exactly you have transmitted money to the company and where exactly the products are delivered in exchange

haveblue fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Oct 20, 2017

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Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Xaris posted:

muskman is prolly just out of touch that he doesn't even know what it means and thats what the cool kids are doing, like some steve buscemi poo poo

i like that justin roiland is the normal looking one

the (((and Morty))) is part of the cartoon guy's twitter handle and i assume he put it in his handle as an edgy joke about morty/mordechai being a common old-school jewish name

hackbunny posted:

I was appalled at learning what "loot crates" were. does no one involved realize they're goddamn slot machines

yea i thought y'all were talking about that woot box of random surplus merch thing

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