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Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!



:mediocre: performance

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Those two heads you see in the screencap:



You can see Colton again at 0:30.

What a disaster. What were they thinking!?

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
i call it the "baked alaska maneuver"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

sneakyfrog posted:

i call it the "baked alaska maneuver"
hah

the kobyashi maru of nazi tactics. it's a no-win situation

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Those two heads you see in the screencap:



You can see Colton again at 0:30.

What a disaster. What were they thinking!?

more like william & colton afraids

Paradoxus
Nov 22, 2007
BOCK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I love the look on his face when he realizes they are not buying it.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I sure as Hell wouldn't have much energy after wearing riot gear for four hours in Florida's climate.

it's been pretty decent the last few days, only got up to 80 degrees today

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

This whole thing has been an enormous loving embarrassment to the right, they didn't get anything they wanted

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

https://twitter.com/NYCAntifa/status/921147449821073408

nazi kangaroo flees to cops

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
Im the the lame sideways half combat roll

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff


Master Race right here, folks.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Qu Appelle posted:

Master Race right here, folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aQqJ5aRm2E

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

Are the synagogues on alert? I hope they're ready in case of anything

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

pillsburysoldier posted:

Are the synagogues on alert? I hope they're ready in case of anything

From what I understand most just locked up tight and set a watchman.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Weev and crew react to the massive Anticom leak (the one with chatlogs talking about building bombs) and about them trying to partner with Spencer, and the event in Gainesville today.

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Weev posted


This is from anticom-- These are the people that called for the armed march through niggertown that Spencer got top billing for, and their discord is filled with talk about dealing with antifa "boston bomber style"

Did Spencer or anyone associated with him actually invite these people? I want to think that this claim is not true and that there were lessons learned but I am not sure that is the case. The university has been forced to spend money on security. There is no reason for shady third parties to be doing security at this event. The fact that they can make this claim and have it be unclear if it is true due to previous associations with Spencer is an issue.

If Spencer's people have any sense they'll contact these people immediately and tell them they're unwelcome at any Spencer related events.

Anglin's recommendation is to avoid being outside. If you get a ticket, great, if you don't, go elsewhere in the city and troll random poo poo with flashmobs. Or maybe jump right to the flashmobs-- just be elsewhere in the city outside the zone of police control.

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It's funny how people were attacking Weev over his gab posts, but yet they were nowhere to be seen when Kessler was joking about running people over at Charlottesville on Discord and someone just happened to run over a bunch of people the next day "cohencidentally". We've got Feds to take care of.

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Don't spread leftist horseshit. I'm not the worlds biggest Kessler fan by a mile, but throwing around a charge like premeditated terrorist attack requires a bit more than some shitposting on discord about antifa/BLM blocking roads, a thing they do every single time they show up anywhere and I'd be shocked if any of us hadn't joked about hitting the gas when they do at least once. Hell it's legal in some states.

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Weev posted

I absolutely agree that having personal security is not an issue. But they should be trustworthy individuals, and not basically totally random rabble with suspect leadership like anticom is. Then it becomes an issue if anything happens.

I think whoever from Spencer's camp communicates with these people should call this specific group and tell them not to come to anything Spencer related, given past and current behavior.
Onto today:

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Weev posted

I think these (and many other people) Spencer associates himself with are retarded but today was a good solid win with only one of our guys arrested (on not very serious charges) so w/e, right now I am praising Spencer

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What did one of our guys get arrested for?

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Weev posted

didn't follow the anglin plan i hear. basically, was stuck in the zog trap pit of shitlibs, they were all assaulting him (of course, none were arrested for this), he decided to hop a fence and get arrested for misdemeanor trespassing rather than continue getting beaten or risk insane felony charges for fighting back, probably best option once you're in the zog trap.

but would probably been best if he had either headed inside to watch spencer speak or just done some sort of demonstration elsewhere, rather than hop into a trap full of faggots given free license by the cops to assault him

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Weev posted

I definitely wish people would not show up to any racially oriented events with swastikas, it is not helpful. However, that guy's graceful smile as the blood ran down his face from getting punched was serene. 0% chance that guy is a fed, just not too smart or understanding of the nuance of what needs to be done

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You think he was just dumb? What goes through the mind of someone like that? He looks vaguely familiar to me. I might have seen him on facebook at one time, or at the FBI company picnic. Just kidding.

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Weev posted

he probably thinks it is funny to make niggers chimp out
Another thread from TRS. A lot of people there believe "Spencer won" and I'm not bothering posting those since it's just groupthink. TRS gets flack from some other forums for being Spencerites against all reason or judgement.

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No, the strategy should be to control the security in the room, and physically remove hecklers.

It's called the Heckler's Veto for a reason. It means you don't get to act like loving monkeys because you want to shut down a speech. We don't have to wait until the opposition's kee-kee bullshit rises to the level of bricks, urine bombs and acid sprays. We have the right to eject anyone from premises he's being overly disruptive.

Once again, we were at the mercy of the police who chose to stand down until some line was crossed, but were clearly waiting for a level of disruption that was far higher than we should tolerate. The cops in GVille did a better job than CVille, but that's not saying much. Today they removed maybe 1-2 people? The chanting in unison should have gotten the ringleaders tossed, at a minimum.

But here's the thing: we actually need to provoke a conflict to get our message out. Our aim should be to incite the monkeys to show their asses, but not to get so out of control that it makes us look bad. No one heard of Pikeville, because it was so smooth and incident-free; the whole world heard about CVille because of that schizophrenic who hit a crowd in front of 85 cameras. We should be aiming at somewhere in the middle.

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This point exactly was stressed by Hitler in Mein Kampf, Ch 12. I have a long rear end post going over the chapter. He basically said that they had to put up with disruption and heckling until his people started physically ejecting the communist agitators which were the Antifa of their time. Some of the ejections got pretty violent and in one instance they tore off the legs of tables and chairs and basically beat the poo poo out of them. Eventually, they stopped showing up.

Their gatherings were private events with private security for which they rented halls around the city.

The problem with all of this is that in today's age of smartphones, internet, and a widespread lugenpresse this could be very bad for PR. Maybe use bouncers who would deal with people who "misbehave"
MPC, a once-goon offsite, doesn't like TRS or Spencer. (Weev posts on both btw.) They actually have a megathread titled "Richard Spencer: Unmitigated Disaster." They also call him Adolf Skywalker.

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listened to a few minutes of this, it's total cringe...Spencer at peak gayness, Mike Enoch periodically rushes the mic in order to blurt out his suspicions of which questions are "disingenuous" and behave like a victim, and a crowd of 105 IQ shitlibs asking angry statement-questions

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Listening to NPR I heard them talk about Adolf Skywalker and Mike Peinovich and play clips from them.

I think peak clown world is Mike f**king Enoch being trotted out as a leading face of the WN movement.

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lol what a f****t

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It hit me today watching some of the stream, Spencer has the same overwrought, ham eating-thespian meets aloof debate team captain speaking style as Ted Cruz. Even the same off putting accent/lisp and odd mannerisms. Can't do masculine gravitas or wrestling heel very well.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

A lot of people on TRS weren't happy either. I saw a few posts describing Spencer's speech as cringey and whatnot. The guys insisting that this is a victory are really forcing themselves to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUKfuHUFmXA

Fox News scores its summary of Richard Spencer with ominous badguy music, in stark contrast to the exasperated dork who was visibly put upon for being compared to Hitler.

Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 04:24 on Oct 20, 2017

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


lol fuckin nazi scum

Business Gorillas posted:

punching also works for little shits like spencer, but just telling people to go punch every nazi is going to lead to a bad outcome. punching legitimate nazis, not the weenies that hide their identities in anime, is a great way to get killed

are you assuming that every "legitimate nazi" is a meathead kung fu master ex-marine with ten knives and ten guns and a sword smuggled in his butthole and backup waiting just around the corner behind the burger king dumpster

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

Rah! posted:

are you assuming that every "legitimate nazi" is a meathead kung fu master ex-marine with ten knives and ten guns and a sword smuggled in his butthole and backup waiting just around the corner behind the burger king dumpster

Don't gently caress with skinheads unless you absolutely have to. You don't need an army of kung fu masters to gang up on one person for a revenge beating.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
Back from the meeting and a goon asked me earlier to share slides, so here they are.

It's for a North Texas audience, and they're not great (rushed). This is not the complete presentation but I was asked to contribute a section. (We also covered Islamophobic-focused groups like BAIR but I didn't make those. Those groups are a major problem in DFW because there is a rapidly-growing Muslim population that has been on the receiving end of a lot of ugly made-in-Texas hatred.)























This following slide deals with a local GOP precinct chair who is aligned with a radical Traditionalist Catholic group that propagandizes a lot on /pol/ and the sort, promotes David Duke, etc. Here he is with the local rep. He has a large neo-Nazi following online. This morning, the same feller tweeted an image of Japanese fascist militant Otoya Yamaguchi assassinating the socialist politician Inejiro Asanuma.



Anyways...







If that's depressing, cheer up by checking out this sweet YDSA poster. Design is based on an old SDP poster from the 20s/30s. (Didn't work out great then though.)



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Don't gently caress with skinheads unless you absolutely have to. You don't need an army of kung fu masters to gang up on one person for a revenge beating.
^^^^^^^^

One more slide put up at the end:

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:52 on Oct 20, 2017

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Don't gently caress with skinheads unless you absolutely have to. You don't need an army of kung fu masters to gang up on one person for a revenge beating.

but its not like skinheads always have magical backup waiting, or are the only people in existence who can jump somebody, or brawl, and its not like you have to be a hardcore skinhead to be a "legitimate" nazi anyways. You just have to believe nazi poo poo. And even buff meatheads can get knocked the gently caress out without much trouble, if the puncher knows what they're doing.

Of course anyone has to be careful in any fight, but saying that the cowardly pathetic losers that we've seen so far aren't actually real nazis, while saying that the actual real nazis will savagely gently caress up your average antifa, seems to imply that nazis have some kind of mythological super fighting strength that the average person should fear...or something. Why give them that?

if you can punch, just punch the dang nazis unless they're way bigger and tougher looking than you/outnumber you, or there's a cop there waiting to ruin your life :shrug:

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
Good poo poo BruteMac, I assume it went well?

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Rah! posted:

lol fuckin nazi scum


are you assuming that every "legitimate nazi" is a meathead kung fu master ex-marine with ten knives and ten guns and a sword smuggled in his butthole and backup waiting just around the corner behind the burger king dumpster

Fighting can lead to serious bodily injury or death. I'm not going to tell anyone not to fight, but be careful and be ready to run the gently caress away if you get in over your head.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

ScrubLeague posted:

Good poo poo BruteMac, I assume it went well?
yeah. there were some students who were pretty shocked, i have to say. muslims as well.

i started doing this stuff more actively after charlottesville. learned tonight that before i arrived at the local vigil, one of the local (older) hammerskins showed up, asked what it was about, laughed then walked away. that's when one of the indivisible liberal organizers invited him to stay (he didn't) and told him that they weren't "with the socialists." (who were there.) note this group claims to be the "tea party of the left."

Rah! posted:

but its not like skinheads always have magical backup waiting, or are the only people in existence who can jump somebody, or brawl, and its not like you have to be a hardcore skinhead to be a "legitimate" nazi anyways. You just have to believe nazi poo poo. And even buff meatheads can get knocked the gently caress out without much trouble, if the puncher knows what they're doing.

Of course anyone has to be careful in any fight, but saying that the cowardly pathetic losers that we've seen so far aren't actually real nazis, while saying that the actual real nazis will savagely gently caress up your average antifa, seems to imply that nazis have some kind of mythological super fighting strength that the average person should fear...or something. Why give them that?

if you can punch, just punch the dang nazis unless they're way bigger and tougher looking than you/outnumber you, or there's a cop there waiting to ruin your life :shrug:
a lot of these new guys are pretty soft but i'm freaked out by skinheads. a group of antifa tried to rush the trad workers and golden state skinheads in sacramento last year and nine leftists left with stab wounds, two with life-threatening wounds. that was organized by BAMN and i don't know what they were doing.

be willing to make mistakes but keep in mind that mistakes have gotten people hurt, jailed and killed. also every situation is different and action is like 1% of it. and don't put yourself or other people in unnecessary danger. and be wary of people saying you need to immediately go into action, especially if you're new. i don't do any of that stuff. but that's fine: anti-fascism can be for many different people who do different things.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:16 on Oct 20, 2017

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
This may be shocking but yes actual skinheads are going to be more inclined to stab you if you start poo poo with them.

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011
I think by "legitimate nazi" they meant the more old school neo-nazi type rather than the internet-radicalized alt-right Pepe types. You honestly don't want to start a fight with some Aryan Nation guy unless you're prepared to risk getting shot or stabbed. I don't mean to say that they're special, but a lot of those guys have been living the life for a while and aren't just cosplaying for a day.

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface

Flavius Belisarius posted:

I think by "legitimate nazi" they meant the more old school neo-nazi type rather than the internet-radicalized alt-right Pepe types. You honestly don't want to start a fight with some Aryan Nation guy unless you're prepared to risk getting shot or stabbed. I don't mean to say that they're special, but a lot of those guys have been living the life for a while and aren't just cosplaying for a day.

They will also be more likely to hunt you down and gently caress you up to so were a mask I guess.

Like I shouldn't have to say this but don't individually gently caress with actual gang members you will likely get the poo poo kicked out of you or die.

Besides its not really the actual gangs that are causing major poo poo that I have seen, its the weird and easily punchable internet nazis.

Telsa Cola has issued a correction as of 05:21 on Oct 20, 2017

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Rah! posted:

Of course anyone has to be careful in any fight

I mean yeah, this.

We live in a country with more surveillance cameras and guns than there are people. Punching anybody, even a dweeb like Spencer, could mean you end up in a cell, hospital, or morgue.

It takes courage or stupidity to hit somebody in public at all, and that's why we praise people who punch Nazis in the first place; they have the courage to do the right thing.

I really doubt anybody throwing fists at this point don't understand their actions have consequences.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
in all honesty, in a one-to-one fight, a lot of nazis and even the newer radicalized ones will probably win. (not spencer.) that's why their whole deal is wanting staged, set-piece confrontations. hence the shield walls, authoritarian structures and acting like they're playing Rome: Total War. they're just really bad at it. they want to act like a military riot-force but they don't have the training or discipline for it. heimbach's trad workers are the ones that seem to actually have some discipline.

had all the different fascist groups at charlottesville cooperated and planned together and all decided to full-on slaughter the other side with their clubs, they would have done so.

what was successful is not a lone group of antifa beating them in a straight-up fight, though there were antifas who very much messed some nazis up. it was more about a big mix of people based on a strategy of mass popular mobilization. the nazis were broken up and divided, getting punched by some people, prayed at by others, while getting pelted with bags of poo poo in the heat while they forgot to bring enough water -- after marching more than half-a-mile while lugging all their heavy gear. it confused them and they couldn't switch gears. then they had to retreat from whence they came and their already-lovely discipline broke down and a bunch of 'em got jumped.

Telsa Cola posted:

Besides its not really the actual gangs that are causing major poo poo that I have seen, its the weird and easily punchable internet nazis.
yeah my anecdote aside, there are skinhead gangs around here but they haven't been involved in these newly-radicalized groups. they seem to stick to themselves. (but every place is different.)

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 05:31 on Oct 20, 2017

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

yeah. there were some students who were pretty shocked, i have to say. muslims as well.

i started doing this stuff more actively after charlottesville. learned tonight that before i arrived at the local vigil, one of the local (older) hammerskins showed up, asked what it was about, laughed then walked away. that's when one of the indivisible liberal organizers invited him to stay (he didn't) and told him that they weren't "with the socialists." (who were there.) note this group claims to be the "tea party of the left."

a lot of these new guys are pretty soft but i'm freaked out by skinheads. a group of antifa tried to rush the trad workers and golden state skinheads in sacramento last year and nine leftists left with stab wounds, two with life-threatening wounds. that was organized by BAMN and i don't know what they were doing.

be willing to make mistakes but keep in mind that mistakes have gotten people hurt, jailed and killed. also every situation is different and action is like 1% of it. and don't put yourself or other people in unnecessary danger. and be wary of people saying you need to immediately go into action, especially if you're new. i don't do any of that stuff. but that's fine: anti-fascism can be for many different people who do different things.

i totally get what you're saying and i'm being a little hung ho for c spam purposes. I remember reading about that Sacramento brawl...some hosed up poo poo.

But resisting Nazis is a civic duty in my opinion, and I've felt that way since i was like ten years old when i learned what the Nazis were truly all about (though i had known they were "bad guys" for as long as i can remember). It doesn't have to be punching, but it has to be something, if you encounter some Nazis. And punching is great if you can pull it off. The end game if they win, is that everyone else dies, so i'm willing to support violence against them if that's what it takes.

anyone have the link to that article about the anti-nazi skinhead gang in Minneapolis, who went around savagely beating nazi skinheads in the 1980s? They weren't victorious 100% of the time, and if i remember some of them got some pretty bad injuries, but by all accounts they definitely won that war (i remember reading some similar stuff occurring in Europe during that time as well). I'm just saying, there are some tough and scary people on the left as well, and not all "legitimate nazis" are scary and tough to begin with....and acting like they all are only gives them power, IMO.

Rah! has issued a correction as of 05:34 on Oct 20, 2017

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
talking about this also maybe serves as impetus for leftists to get fit, learn how to fight, and acquire a gun/learn how to use it, all of which are good advice even if you don't plan on declaring a one man war on the fourth reich (for life and self-defense)

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Rah! posted:

i totally get what you're saying and i'm being a little hung ho for c spam purposes. I remember reading about that Sacramento brawl...some hosed up poo poo.

But resisting Nazis is a civic duty in my opinion, and I've felt that way since i was like ten years old when i learned what the Nazis were truly all about (though i had known they were "bad guys" for as long as i can remember). It doesn't have to be punching, but it has to be something, if you encounter some Nazis. And punching is great if you can pull it off. The end game if they win, is that everyone else dies, so i'm willing to support violence against them if that's what it takes.

anyone have the link to that article about the anti-nazi skinhead gang in Minneapolis, who went around savagely beating nazi skinheads in the 1980s? They weren't victorious 100% of the time, and if i remember some of them got some pretty bad injuries, but by all accounts they definitely won that war (i remember reading some similar stuff occurring in Europe during that time as well). I'm just saying, there are some tough and scary people on the left as well, and not all "legitimate nazis" are scary and tough to begin with....and acting like they all are only gives them power, IMO.
i agree but you also have to keep in mind that the anti-nazi skinhead gang is an anti-nazi skinhead gang. so it's a tight core of friends who grew up in a working-class background and had probably been in a lot of fights before they took on the nazis. so while all power to them -- those same groups is why the hammerskins got run out of the clubs here -- their experiences are a lot different than my own. which is to say i personally hesitate to recommend people seek out action like that, but that entire statement is caveated by my background.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i agree but you also have to keep in mind that the anti-nazi skinhead gang is an anti-nazi skinhead gang. so it's a tight core of friends who grew up in a working-class background and had probably been in a lot of fights before they took on the nazis. so while all power to them -- those same groups is why the hammerskins got run out of the clubs here -- their experiences are a lot different than my own. which is to say i personally hesitate to recommend people seek out action like that, but that entire statement is caveated by my background.

Yeah fair enough. I guess part of my point is that there are more people like this on the left:

"a tight core of friends who grew up in a working-class background and had probably been in a lot of fights before"

Than some people think.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Rah! posted:

i totally get what you're saying and i'm being a little hung ho for c spam purposes. I remember reading about that Sacramento brawl...some hosed up poo poo.

But resisting Nazis is a civic duty in my opinion, and I've felt that way since i was like ten years old when i learned what the Nazis were truly all about (though i had known they were "bad guys" for as long as i can remember). It doesn't have to be punching, but it has to be something, if you encounter some Nazis. And punching is great if you can pull it off. The end game if they win, is that everyone else dies, so i'm willing to support violence against them if that's what it takes.

anyone have the link to that article about the anti-nazi skinhead gang in Minneapolis, who went around savagely beating nazi skinheads in the 1980s? They weren't victorious 100% of the time, and if i remember some of them got some pretty bad injuries, but by all accounts they definitely won that war (i remember reading some similar stuff occurring in Europe during that time as well). I'm just saying, there are some tough and scary people on the left as well, and not all "legitimate nazis" are scary and tough to begin with....and acting like they all are only gives them power, IMO.

The Baldies. Some of those guys are still around town.

Beginning of summer I saw two kids who must've been 16-17 walking around in the old-school ARA outfit. Felt like I was seeing ghosts.

http://www.citypages.com/news/skinheads-at-forty-6745568

Shibby0709
Oct 30, 2011

one fat looking fat guy
I have a lot of Muslim friends from the DFW area. Thank you for doing what you can to help protect them and their families.

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

Oh yeah, the average pepe gently caress is no big deal to face in a fight. hardcore nazi militants? well you have to have some level of training, equipment or numbers. as the alt lite falls away, you're going to be left with that core. You'll have to be really smart about using the right tools at the right time, and getting out without being doxxed.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

what do the skinheads believe?

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

BONGHITZ posted:

what do the skinheads believe?

Which ones? That term covers a lot of territory.

pillsburysoldier
Feb 11, 2008

Yo, peep that shit

Zeroisanumber posted:

Which ones? That term covers a lot of territory.

Trump variety

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

antman appeared on my timeline and i couldnt help but look at his new av and header




the man has neither shame nor sense of irony, a perfect whining machine

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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maggoty lips lookin good

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