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yronic heroism posted:Nah, i actually like most leftists (if your average Bernie voter is a leftist and we are not limiting the term to purity tested weird shitposters) and just think our most vocally obnoxious people who claim that label are worthy of being mocked. What are your feelings on capitalism?
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Trabisnikof posted:What are your feelings on capitalism? The New Deal is cool and good, plus MFA. I don't care what you label that.
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yronic heroism posted:The New Deal is cool and good, plus MFA. I don't care what you label that. I'm not asking about The New Deal, I'm asking for your opinion on capitalism as a self-avowed leftist. Or do you not have one?
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I never avowed myself to be a leftist, or a centrist either. I literally do not give a poo poo about labels sorry. Capitalist is a meaningless term to me. "What programs do you support and why?" is the only meaningful question.
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yronic heroism posted:I never avowed myself to be a leftist, or a centrist either. I literally do not give a poo poo about labels sorry. Capitalist is a meaningless term to me. What programs do you support and why is the question? So if you feel capitalism is a meaningless term do you also feel the same way about racism? I'm trying to get a feel for which systemic terms you feel are meaningless and which you are willing to accept have meaning.
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Trabisnikof posted:So if you feel capitalism is a meaningless term do you also feel the same way about racism? No.
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Oh are you one of these "capitalism is just a natural thing like gravity or magnetism" folks as well? Say it isn't so.
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So why is capitalism a meaningless term to describe a system of culture, institutions, worldviews and artifacts but racism isn't?
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Trabisnikof posted:So why is capitalism a meaningless term to describe a system of culture, institutions, worldviews and artifacts but racism isn't? Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does.
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Kilroy posted:Oh are you one of these "capitalism is just a natural thing like gravity or magnetism" folks as well? Say it isn't so. It's the exact opposite You might as well ask how I feel about Xenu yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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Is this capitalism take like the people who pretend neoliberalism isn't real, where capitalism's defenders argue that the dominant economic system of the last 300 years doesn't exist
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. This may be the dumbest post I've ever seen.
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I'm definitely open to alternatives to capitalism I just havent heard a good one yet. Pitch me your schemes.
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. This explains so much about your posting.
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm definitely open to alternatives to capitalism I just havent heard a good one yet. Pitch me your schemes. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-dawn/201202/7-things-bonobos-can-teach-us-about-love-and-sex quote:7. Sex and food go together better than love and marriage—at least for bonobos. Nothing gets a bonobo orgy started faster than a feast. Give a group of bonobos a bunch of food and they'll all have some quick sex before very politely sharing the food. No need to fight over scraps like a bunch of uncouth chimps!
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VitalSigns posted:Is this capitalism take like the people who pretend neoliberalism isn't real, where capitalism's defenders argue that the dominant economic system of the last 300 years doesn't exist Markets exist. Property exists. So do laws, policies, currency, and all the rest. But that was not the question. poo poo, I don't even know what Trab thinks capitalism means. Is it the economic order of the US? Sweden? China? All have been said to be "capitalist" (Yes, even China) but have not a lot in common.
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Replace humans with bonobos, I like it.
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yronic heroism posted:Markets exist. Property exists. So do laws, policies, currency, and all the rest. But that was not the question. poo poo, I don't even know what Trab thinks capitalism means. Is it the economic order of the US? Sweden? China? All have been said to be "capitalist" (Yes, even China) but have not a lot in common. This isn't some mystical bullshit question where "oh but do we really know what capitalism is?" It's a system in which some people own and direct the means of production, typically but not always using markets to distribute resources to consumers via supply and demand.
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Look how different the US and UK governments are, democracy has no meaning.
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Lightning Knight posted:This isn't some mystical bullshit question where "oh but do we really know what capitalism is?" It's a system in which some people own and direct the means of production, typically but not always using markets to distribute resources to consumers via supply and demand. Lol if you think Stalin did not own the means of production.
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yronic heroism posted:Lol if you think Stalin did not own the means of production. I don't think the Soviet Union is any kind of role model for a good socialist system, but I also think that the Russian people believed they were a part of a socialist society and did the majority of the heavy lifting when it came to actually fighting and dying to the Nazis.
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VitalSigns posted:Look how different the US and UK governments are, democracy has no meaning. Capitalism is not proposed to be a form of government tho. Again, except by Ayn Rand. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. What the gently caress lol
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yronic heroism posted:Edit: rip old new avatar
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yronic heroism posted:Lol if you think Stalin did not own the means of production. Soviet Union was state capitalism.
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Jesus Christ, this forum gets dumber every single day, and for once it's not because of me.
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Eh, to be honest, I think it is fair to call the Soviet Union a form of state socialism even if they didn't achieve socialism much less communism. I do think there is a difference between modern day China and the Soviet Union (outside the NEP which is much murkier admittedly). Also, yeah the Soviets did most of the fighting and dying during the war, and the course of the war was decided somewhere on the Eastern Front. And FDR was a liberal, but he was one of the few that realized you can't just let the entire country eat itself alive and so he is a bit of exception. Also yeah he certainly didn't have a perfect record either. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. Incredible
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yronic heroism posted:I live up to the standard of not doxxing people to Pepe rapists everyday, as every decent person should. yronic heroism posted:And the Afghans weren't because their white savior computer janitor who doxxed them knew best? yronic heroism posted:I never avowed myself to be a leftist, or a centrist either. I literally do not give a poo poo about labels sorry. Capitalist is a meaningless term to me. "What programs do you support and why?" is the only meaningful question. yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. Hey there  I'm just a lurker but I have to say you're probably one of the most consistently bad posters that I've ever seen. Everyone can tell that Jefferson Clay is baldly disingenuous and that the concept of an argument made in good faith is as foreign to him as the concept of color is to a blind person, but you just come across as petty and kind of dumb. Whenever I read one of your posts you manage to disappoint my faith in the basic intellectual abilities of the human race in new and exciting ways. I hope you learn how to develop more correct opinions in the future, or at least learn how to post better about your current ones. Or just don't post at all!
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slander against comrade stalin in the thunderdome...now i've seen everything
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stalin's only crime is that he didn't take measures that would have prevented the creation of uspol
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JeffersonClay posted:I'm definitely open to alternatives to capitalism I just havent heard a good one yet. Pitch me your schemes. Capitalism as we have it now but every company is a worker run and owned co op
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Ardennes posted:Eh, to be honest, I think it is fair to call the Soviet Union a form of state socialism even if they didn't achieve socialism much less communism. I do think there is a difference between modern day China and the Soviet Union (outside the NEP which is much murkier admittedly). "One of the few" --p sure the Democratic congress had something to say about it too. Also do you really think the average Allied fighter on the Eastern Front gave many fucks about ideology and being a "leftist"? Most of them weren't commissars.
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yronic heroism posted:Capitalism does not exist outside of an Ayn Rand novel and racism does. holy moly Sylink posted:Capitalism as we have it now but every company is a worker run and owned co op democratize the enterprise
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I think most of the soldiers fighting on the Eastern Front were admittedly primarily interested in not seeing their families exterminated and/or surviving (although it was a bit of a reach).
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People always talk about how much the USSR sucked but you've got to compare apples to apples. Imperial Russia was a backwards poo poo-show. If Germany was on a special path where it was only half-modern, Imperial Russia was wholly in the past. Fast forward a generation and Russia is one of the two great leaders of the world. Sure, Russia ultimately lost, but they made a damned fine shot of it, especially considering what they were starting from and what they were working with.
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