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The only way we'll achieve global unity is if there is some sort of imminent external threat, as in hostile aliens. Even that wouldn't guarantee it though. Humans are just too loving tribal and petty.
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the old ceremony posted:global unity is thousands of years in the future if it ever happens. the world blames america now and will continue to do so, the only people who don't blame america are americans That sounds like a great path to global unity. Unite the world against the USA and have the world government administer the remains of the ravaged world.
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in which the climate change thread accidentally goes full jdpon
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/18/warning-of-ecological-armageddon-after-dramatic-plunge-in-insect-numbersquote:When the total weight of the insects in each sample was measured a startling decline was revealed. The annual average fell by 76% over the 27 year period, but the fall was even higher – 82% – in summer, when insect numbers reach their peak.
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There used to be butterflies and moths and june bugs all over the loving place during summer where I lived most of my life. It was fairly rural, though suburbs kept encroaching on our isolated neighborhood. It's one thing that was clearly noticeable - the moths and june bugs would flock to the lights at night, but their numbers diminished greatly over the years. I think I've seen maybe a dozen butterflies this entire year. It's a drat travesty.
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Yeah butterflies and moths are incredible and it's a shame I barely saw any this year. On the other hand there were also less mosquitos so it's a mixed bag.
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Oct 19, 2017 01:00
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Spiders seem to be hanging in there. We have about 10,000 black widows on our property.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:Spiders seem to be hanging in there. We have about 10,000 black widows on our property.
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Oct 19, 2017 05:48
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Lots of pine bark beetles killing trees all over the place, the winters aren't killing them. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sierra-dead-trees-20170128-story.html
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So uhh.. is there any part of our ecological system that isn't undergoing catastrophic collapse?
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hooman posted:So uhh.. is there any part of our ecological system that isn't undergoing catastrophic collapse? Homo sapiens are at 7.6 billion and still trending upward.
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hooman posted:So uhh.. is there any part of our ecological system that isn't undergoing catastrophic collapse? We like to call those invasive species.
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jellyfish for everyone gonna have land jellyfish!
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Seriously if you haven't see the new Blade Runner go see it, the nightmare future hellscape has been tastefully updated for ecosystem collapse.
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Der Luftwaffle posted:Homo sapiens are at 7.6 billion and still trending upward. If the insects die, we die.
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VideoGameVet posted:Why not blame the USA? The ruling party completely denies climate change, the "denial industry" is funded by US corporations and individuals, and we backed out of the climate agreement. It's really great that people give the world's largest polluter a pass for making GBS threads up the global environment and making plans to poo poo it up even more as the century continues because at least they have the wherewithal to release green propaganda in order to cover their asses. China pollutes hard and without remorse and with plans to continue to do so for the foreseeable future but we give them a pass because they say the correct things and will occasionally build a big solar farm that isn't connected to their grid.
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*How dare China emit so much CO2!!!!* *Ignores USA's 280% higher per-capita emissions rate*
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Trabisnikof posted:*How dare China emit so much CO2!!!!* How many per-capita planets do we have
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Fojar38 posted:How many per-capita planets do we have Herm yes, fewer people emitting a bunch more co2 equiv. per person are doing a better job on climate than the billion more people who emit far less co2 per person but have a billion of them
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Trabisnikof posted:Herm yes, fewer people emitting a bunch more co2 equiv. per person are doing a better job on climate than the billion more people who emit far less co2 per person but have a billion of them That's because the vast majority of those billion people are extremely poor and drag down the per-capita emissions rating the same way this dynamic fucks with all sorts of statistics regarding China. And I haven't even gotten into the whole "CCP officials will straight up lie about pollution data and, failing that, will literally stuff cotton into the machines intended to measure it."
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Oct 19, 2017 23:16
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Fojar38 posted:That's because the vast majority of those billion people are extremely poor and drag down the per-capita emissions rating the same way this dynamic fucks with all sorts of statistics regarding China. So those people don't count because they're poor?
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Trabisnikof posted:So those people don't count because they're poor? No, I'm saying it warps any attempt to measure China's per-capita emissions even without accounting for authoritarian statistical meddling when you put both the extreme poor and coastal oligarchs in the same equation. Not that it really matters, because if you consider climate change to be an existential threat it's total emissions that you should be watching, not per-capita emissions. Like I have no idea how you can look at this:  and say to yourself "Comrade Xi sure is doing a good job on the environment. China is very cool and progressive on climate." And that was a good day for China pollution-wise. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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Oct 19, 2017 23:37
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Fojar38 posted:Not that it really matters, because if you consider climate change to be an existential threat it's total emissions that you should be watching, not per-capita emissions. otoh, per-capita emissions do make yet another compelling argument to eat the rich
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:otoh, per-capita emissions do make yet another compelling argument to eat the rich You can still use the total emissions argument. All that pollution in the map above comes from the wealthy areas of China (with some coming from Mongolian sandstorms, although that's unusual) and mostly serves to put money in the pockets of local government officials and their oligarch pals. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Oct 19, 2017 |
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I can't wait till climate change gets really bad and the mainstream discourse is going to be filled with westerners pointing fingers at developing nations. Monday's headline: "We didn't put enough trust in Musk" Tuesday's headline: "How China lied about reducing emissions by 6% in 2023. Special report by the CIA, just straight up, why even keep journalists on a payroll, nobody gives a poo poo, they'd believe a talking taco if it told them climate change isn't their fault" Wednesday's headline: "Putting climate change refugees to work? Tech billionaire and former president Mark zuckerberg builds first Green Productivity Camps in the Arizona desert" Thursday's headline: "Going green? Go Big! How you can do your part in the green revolution by buying larger products to reduce packaging waste and trips to the store" *article sponsored by Costco* Friday's headline: "Green racism: Read the story of rural to urban transplanted teens being bullied for owning trucks"
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Minge Binge posted:I can't wait till climate change gets really bad and the mainstream discourse is going to be filled with westerners pointing fingers at developing nations. Yeah I'm excited for the inflection point where news of how actually hosed we are becomes concrete instead of a bunch of spooky uncertainties. The mass grievance and acceptance of death that society is going to have to do in that lag window between realization and actualization is going to be unreal.
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What is it going to be like to see human society as a whole go through the stages of grief about its own existence.
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Donald J. Trump was elected President of the United States of America. Denial has been going on for awhile, same with anger. I wonder if this counts as bargaining? Evil_Greven fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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Oct 20, 2017 00:42
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actually it's your fault
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:What is it going to be like to see human society as a whole go through the stages of grief about its own existence. Born to late to explore the earth, born to early to explore the galaxy, burn just in time to watch it burn
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one way or another people are going to make some sick art
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Trabisnikof posted:one way or another people are going to make some sick art It's not arson........ it's performance art.
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I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I am deathly curious to see the violent killing of consumer culture.
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Implying we won't just triple down on consumerism and eternal growth.
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Conspiratiorist posted:Implying we won't just triple down on consumerism and eternal growth. I think you will be surprised how fast the dam holding our logistics infrastructure breaks when demand variance and logistic variance for essentials keeps increasing. JIT logistics is very, very fragile.
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Telephones posted:I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I am deathly curious to see the violent killing of consumer culture. Nah it will just be all about digital consumer culture instead.
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Trabisnikof posted:Nah it will just be all about digital consumer culture instead. Nah, possessions will replace humans entirely. We already have robots that make consumer goods, and work in factories. All we need to do is pay them for their labor and have them programmed to buy poo poo, and then capitalism can do away with the most inefficient moving part.
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Fojar38 posted:It's really great that people give the world's largest polluter a pass for making GBS threads up the global environment and making plans to poo poo it up even more as the century continues because at least they have the wherewithal to release green propaganda in order to cover their asses. China is the leading producer of solar panels, has signed onto the Paris Accords, and will probably dominate the EV market in a decade. Trump Digs Coal.
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China is going to be Ryan Gosling while we are still trying to be Harrison Ford.
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