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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:He was behind Climategate in November 2009. She contacted Wikileaks in January 2010, 2 months later, and started passing material in February 2010. What's your source that wikileaks was behind climategate? quote:On 19 November an archive file containing the data was uploaded to a server in Tomsk, Russia,[23] and then copied to numerous locations across the Internet.[8] An anonymous post from a Saudi Arabian IP address[24] to the climate-sceptic blog The Air Vent[20] described the material as "a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents", adding that climate science is "too important to be kept under wraps".[25] That same day, Stephen McIntyre of Climate Audit was forwarded an internal email sent to UEA staff warning that "climate change sceptics" had obtained a "large volume of files and emails". Charles Rotter, moderator of the climate-sceptic blog Watts Up With That, which had been the first to get a link and download the files, gave a copy to his flatmate Steve Mosher. Mosher received a posting from the hacker complaining that nothing was happening and replied: "A lot is happening behind the scenes. It is not being ignored. Much is being coordinated among major players and the media. Thank you very much. You will notice the beginnings of activity on other sites now. Here soon to follow." Shortly afterwards, the emails began to be widely publicised on climate-sceptic blogs.[22] On 20 November the story emerged in mainstream media.[8] Maybe wikileaks rehosted it and that's what you mean?
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yronic heroism posted:Re- read my post, which you quoted. I said she could have made more than a minimal effort, which is not the same as what you seem to think I said. You are correct, I misread your post, though you did imply that her efforts were literally "the most minimal" which is a pretty big exaggeration (I guess I could point out that contacting two newspapers logically can't be "the most minimal of efforts", though that would be kind of nitpicky).
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Nevvy Z posted:No, you still haven't shown that there was information out there to support the idea that Manning should not have leaked to him because she should have known his personal politics were poo poo, even if someone else managed to find a flaw in an argument against your stupid loving claim. But loving lol at you trying to call that post a victory for you, when you couldn't even come up with it yourself. This isn't a duel though. Facts are Assange threw in with the denialists. It's almost like he's always been lovely.
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yronic heroism posted:Facts are Assange threw in with the denialists. Which facts are those?
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Trabisnikof posted:Which facts are those? https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/869688237803147264 The link goes to a November 2009 wikileaks publication.
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yronic heroism posted:https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/869688237803147264 https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/869563073694248960
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"Well actually he's not a Pepe in this specific instance, just a useful idiot for them."
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I mean, at the very least I think it should be relatively uncontroversial to claim that the idea of Wikileaks being right-wing (or aligned with Russia or whatever) was not very common at the time and many otherwise reasonable people thought they were relatively neutral or doing a useful service or whatever. Of all the things a person could condemn Manning for, realizing that Wikileaks was (or would become) politically unsavory wasn't really one of them. Their most prominent leaks at the time were primarily harmful towards Republicans, so it doesn't really make sense to expect Manning to have associated them with the right-wing. This isn't some internet leftist partisan thing either; there were a bunch of mainstream liberals at the time who supported the leaks (and there are still a bunch who support Manning).
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If publishing details from the climategate hacks means Manning shouldn't have gone to that organization, I've got bad news about the NYTs and WaPo: Hacked E-Mail Data Prompts Calls for Changes in Climate Research - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/science/earth/28hack.html Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html In e-mails, science of warming is hot debate - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/04/AR2009120404511.html drat that climate denier andy revkin!
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https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/920352629255008257 https://twitter.com/thehill/status/921008097107247104 The democratic party is going to get smashed again in 2018. Don't think the leaders care though since they got safe seats and the grift money keeps flowing
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tekz posted:https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/920352629255008257 lol, what the gently caress.
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Ytlaya posted:Of all the things a person could condemn Manning for, realizing that Wikileaks was (or would become) politically unsavory wasn't really one of them. Don't trust rando strangers on the internet is pretty basic, though. Why not just send them all to a Nigerian prince and hope for the best?
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tekz posted:https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/920352629255008257 What the ever loving gently caress I told y'all to go out and cape for Ellison.
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manning's crime was that she didn't shop for a publisher for ten years while being hunted by the military
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whole lotta armchair generals itt confident they would have been able to go through the ordeal with unwavering moral fortitude, which can be translated accurately as "sanctimonious assholes"
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steinrokkan posted:manning's crime was that she didn't shop for a publisher for ten years while being hunted by the military "hey, five different reporters, here is a flash drive and let me tell you what I know." So difficult to do in one month's time... but that was impossible because condiv has seen too many episodes of 24. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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tekz posted:https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/920352629255008257 Yeah we're screwed. Can't wait for the "we'll let you spend $5,000 on your 401k!" platform in 2020. The purity tests are coming from inside the DNC not from anywhere else.
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if manning is so great why didn't she try to fight this from within the military by writing letters up the chain of command about how she is troubled by all the war crimes
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yronic heroism posted:"hey, five different reporters, here is a flash drive and let me tell you what I know." So difficult to do in one month's time... she offered, they didn't take the offer, you choose to ignore this to maintain moral superiority
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Calibanibal posted:if manning is so great why didn't she try to fight this from within the military by writing letters up the chain of command about how she is troubled by all the war crimes
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steinrokkan posted:she offered, they didn't take the offer, you choose to ignore this to maintain moral superiority a phone call is not a flash drive and detailed explanation of what you know. "hello, New York times? i have IMPORTANT INFORMATION trust me kthxbai, no i won't tell you what it is"
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yronic heroism posted:a phone call is not a flash drive and detailed explanation of what you know. So she was supposed to stalk reporters if they didn't return her phone calls?
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"chelsea manning didn't do enough due dilingence in nesuring her leaks were properly screened and published"* day later "chelsea manning didn't send the whole text to any random rear end in a top hat who showed vague interest, completely surrendering all control over the leaks"
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Anybody who has watched one of those new employee videos would know what to do when one of your coworkers commits a war crime - 1. Talk to your coworker about it in private 2. Talk to your boss about it 3. Talk to your boss's boss about it 4. Talk to HR about it 5. Call the Department of Labor 6. Call the police 7. Leak to the press 8. Leak to wikileaks Manning skipped straight to #7, half-assed that, and then moved on to #8
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"what else can i do? i made a phone call that make me sounds like a crank and didn't discuss any of what my supposed important info was..." 
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Calibanibal posted:Anybody who has watched one of those new employee videos would know what to do when one of your coworkers commits a war crime -
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:The military is not a Wal-Mart. That's true, you're not allowed to go talk to the Department of Labor in the military.
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steinrokkan posted:she offered, they didn't take the offer, you choose to ignore this to FTFY. yronic heroism posted:"what else can i do? i made a phone call that make me sounds like a crank and didn't discuss any of what my supposed important info was..." It's really obvious that all you care about is bashing American Hero Chelsea Manning and don't actually care at all about what happened at the time.
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tekz posted:https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/920352629255008257 Man that filibuster proof majority will be nice for republicans.
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yronic heroism posted:"what else can i do? i made a phone call that make me sounds like a crank and didn't discuss any of what my supposed important info was..." seems like its the journalists fault for being complacent about the possibility of obtaining a potentially groundbreaking source, requiring her to put herself through too much stress and danger to be viable
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:The military is not a Wal-Mart. All the more reasons to follow the Proper Protocol as patriotic concerned citizen Yronic would do.
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steinrokkan posted:seems like its the journalists fault for being complacent about the possibility of obtaining a potentially groundbreaking source, requiring her to put herself through too much stress and danger to be viable "she's so brave" also "trying to make contact with reporters was too stressful. talking to a reporter is so dangerous, you guys."
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If you don't stalk journalists after they refuse to return your phone calls you're not really trying.
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yronic heroism posted:"she's so brave" it's incredibly brave to persevere despite one's fragility and weakness as a human. performative heroism by confident figures with no (reason to have) fear is not brave at all only an evil shithead with an agenda would be unable to empathize with her predicament
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Requiring her to continue to work harder to contact reporters before contacting wikileaks still hinges on your completely unestablished premise that she should have known wikileaks was bad.
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yronic heroism posted:"she's so brave" 
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Trabisnikof posted:If you don't stalk journalists after they refuse to return your phone calls you're not really trying. 2 journalists = the whole profession, right
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yronic heroism posted:2 journalists = the whole profession, right lol yes so now she had to call every journalist in the whole profession first and you'd still blame her if that journalist hosed up and doxxed someone If Manning was serious she would have called the public editor at the Fort Worth Star Telegram.
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