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Oct 20, 2017 20:03
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SHOAH NUFF posted:I'm about 40% through my Civil War book (Antietam just happened) and I feel like such a historian right now, ask me about how Stonewall Jackson's furious marching pace during his Shenandoah Valley Campaign or about how much of a simple bitch McClellan was...I'll tell you This is the awesome and terrible thing about reading history books. There's so much stuff that's interesting but unless someone else is either reading the same book or really into that era of history you don't have anyone to talk to about it.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:03
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Shaun King is a bit of a twat and may or may not be the male version of Rachel Dolezal
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Oct 20, 2017 20:05
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Eli Wiggum posted:Shaun King is a bit of a twat and may or may not be the male version of Rachel Dolezal he's the level of woke where it becomes a bit much yeah but his heart is in the right place FizFashizzle posted:McClellan gets a bad rap. he justifiably does because the job of a general in that time is to build and then use an army, and he was amazing at the first half and trash garbage at the second
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Oct 20, 2017 20:07
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Eli Wiggum posted:Shaun King is a bit of a twat and may or may not be the male version of Rachel Dolezal yeah i forgot what was so bad about him, i know there's something also he sullied the name of a quarterback with a ring
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Oct 20, 2017 20:08
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Eli Wiggum posted:Shaun King is a bit of a twat and may or may not be the male version of Rachel Dolezal He got a bunch of c'ville Nazis arrested though so
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Oct 20, 2017 20:08
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imagine if Kearny didn't get murked
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Oct 20, 2017 20:09
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Grittybeard posted:This is the awesome and terrible thing about reading history books. There's so much stuff that's interesting but unless someone else is either reading the same book or really into that era of history you don't have anyone to talk to about it. Yah I really want to talk about it McClellan gets a bad rap because he did have some strengths, mainly he was incredible at organizing and preparing an army to fight and the Army of the Potomac owed him a lot for that, also soldiers liked him. But he was a pretty garbage field commander and got repeatedly clowned on by Lee and Jackson, McClellan was obsessed with his own reputation and was scared of losing battles. Had someone like Grant or Meade been in charge of the Army of Potomac in 1861-62 the war may have ended earlier
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Oct 20, 2017 20:09
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McClellan understood the war would turn into a remorseless grinder and was very hopeful the political process would see it through the end. Grant otoh gladly sent his own soldiers into forest fires so long as he got good press.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:10
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Biggest problem with Shaun King is I'll get 27 new tweets and it's him retweeting a really long thread instead of just tweeting the first one and letting me know it's a thread to click on.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:10
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Also McClellan was super jealous of other Union generals and in his letters to his wife he frequently wished for them to lose battles so he could look better by comparison
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Oct 20, 2017 20:12
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Also McClellan was super jealous of other Union generals and in his letters to his wife he frequently wished for them to lose battles so he could look better by comparison Oh no not a vain civil war general.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:13
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The knock I read on Shaun King (the link to which I don't have handy) is that he exploited a movement (BLM) to build his brand, and people who have worked with/under him say that he isn't as passionate about the cause as his Twitter might make you believe. But in any case props to him for exposing a bunch of Nazis and getting them arrested
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Oct 20, 2017 20:13
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FizFashizzle posted:Oh no not a vain civil war general. Jeb Stuart’s cavalry circumnavigated (I don’t know the best word) McClellans army several times while scouting it which I’ve read is one of the most amateur things you can let happen!! gently caress McClellan!
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Oct 20, 2017 20:17
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Ehud posted:Biggest problem with Shaun King is I'll get 27 new tweets and it's him retweeting a really long thread instead of just tweeting the first one and letting me know it's a thread to click on. I'm not really that into twitter but isn't this kind of the same problem Bomani Jones has? Well I guess Bomani is just willing to argue with anyone and everyone more than being bad at how twitter works.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:17
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Eli Wiggum posted:The knock I read on Shaun King (the link to which I don't have handy) is that he exploited a movement (BLM) to build his brand, and people who have worked with/under him say that he isn't as passionate about the cause as his Twitter might make you believe. That sounds more like DeRay to be honest. Shaun King's always been a bit of a dingus, but his heart's seemed like it's been in the right place when he pops up. I don't follow him though, for reasons pretty similar to Ehud's.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:19
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Jeb Stuart’s cavalry circumnavigated (I don’t know the best word) McClellans army several times while scouting it which I’ve read is one of the most amateur things you can let happen!! gently caress McClellan! McClellans biggest mistake was taking like six months to take a fort that was dendefded by three dudes from Georgia. Best generals of the war were Cleburne and Sherman fight me.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:20
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FizFashizzle posted:McClellan gets a bad rap. Skipped a page and was totally ready to get mad about Shea McClellan.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:28
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FizFashizzle posted:Best generals of the war were Cleburne and Sherman fight me. It's Lee and Sherman. Lee is widely considered the best tactician the US Army has ever produced. Sherman is the ruthless type that actually wins wars.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:30
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:It's Lee and Sherman. Lee is widely considered the best tactician the US Army has ever produced. Sherman is the ruthless type that actually wins wars. Lee is over venerated because all his contemporaries worshipped him. Sherman once saw cleburnes flag across the battlefield, said “gently caress this,” and made a business decision.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:32
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:It's Lee and Sherman. Lee is widely considered the best tactician the US Army has ever produced. Sherman is the ruthless type that actually wins wars. To be fair from what I gather Lee has one really big fuckup on his resume. Which might not be entirely his fault since he might not have had an accurate picture of the field, but is still his fault since it's his job to make sure he has that picture.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:33
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Lol Pickett hid behind a church
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Oct 20, 2017 20:36
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Is Shaun King the QB Shaun King
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Oct 20, 2017 20:36
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:It's Lee and Sherman. Lee is widely considered the best tactician the US Army has ever produced. Sherman is the ruthless type that actually wins wars. Yeah Lee was a huge gambler who would frequently split his army up when a larger Union army was nearby, which conventional military strategy says is suicide and dumb. McClellan would never attack or seize on the opportunity (Lee knew McClellan's nature and that factored into his gambles) to destroy Lee's split up forces
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Oct 20, 2017 20:38
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Most interesting part of the civil war was all of these dudes knew each other. They all went to West Point with one another. And they all knew Sherman straight up didn’t give a gently caress. Sherman’s first station was pacifying seminoles in Florida. Ever summer they’d surrender and draw up peace terms, then every fall they’d start fighting again. Of course In the summer it was too hot for federal troops to consolidate their gains so they just sat there in the shade. This went on for years until Sherman got there. First time they pulled that poo poo on him he burned all their crops, slaughtered their livestock, and burned their families homes to the ground. Seminoles surrendered for real once he got there.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:43
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A Man and his dog posted:I would like to request an in-juncture that I should be allowed to post in the chat thread. I'm guessing you got banned from discord again? If you can convince the majority (7) of a Jury of your peers to say "Yes", then you can come back to the Chat thread:  There are your 12 angry men. You can have 1 post in this thread to plead your case to them, make it a good one. Votes can be sent to my PM box, or made in the thread if you prefer. Votes must be in before the Washington Redskins LOSE another game or the vote will be counted as a NO.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:45
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FizFashizzle posted:Lee is over venerated because all his contemporaries worshipped him. That isn't the only reason. He took a vastly outnumbered and under-supplied army and won every single battle he engaged but 1 and held the inevitable off for 4 full years until his army was so depleted he had no choice but to surrender. He was a gifted field commander, and a brilliant planner. There's a reason why he was venerated by his contemporaries. He was still a treasonous bastard though. Sherman is really fascinating to me. His tactics foreshadowed both world wars. Grittybeard posted:To be fair from what I gather Lee has one really big fuckup on his resume. Which might not be entirely his fault since he might not have had an accurate picture of the field, but is still his fault since it's his job to make sure he has that picture. Yeah, Gettysburg was the beginning of the end for him. He never recovered his confidence in his subordinates.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:45
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my favorite Civil War commander is Nathaniel Lyon, he seemed like a real badass and its a shame he died so early in the war
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Oct 20, 2017 20:47
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Athanatos posted:I'm guessing you got banned from discord again? Mod challenges are the best
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Oct 20, 2017 20:49
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Haha, loving Mel.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:49
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i somehow never noticed the first ! in NC-17's new name before now
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Oct 20, 2017 20:50
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Everything I know about the Civil War, I learned from reading Grey Hunter's let's plays of Civil War grognard games on SA. Which sounds ridiculous, but those threads always attract hordes of history goons who post endlessly about all the generals and battles and guns and etc. etc. of the real war, and compare them to what's happening in the thread, in between roleplaying as the various generals. So if you read the thread you wind up getting a piecemeal view of the war through dozens of different accounts and conversations and stuff, and I imagine that's how contemporaries of the war back home probably had to piece together what was going on, too. Athanatos posted:I'm guessing you got banned from discord again? Lol I don't know this guy at all and have no opinion about his past transgressions so I guess that actually makes me a good juror? finally I won some power as a result of  ing endlessly
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Oct 20, 2017 20:54
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Need to present the evidence of an artisnal burrito.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:56
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Leperflesh posted:finally I won some power as a result of I'm jealous that I missed the cut by like 8 posts.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:58
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For the record, he's banned from the Discord until the Redskins win a game, so this works out. For those wondering, yes he was banned again for taking creep pics of customers and claiming they hit on him but he turned it down. Also lying a ton. I leave it up to the jury.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:58
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BTW the skins are currently +4.5 vs the Eagles this http://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/washington-philadelphia-odds-october-23-2017-788503 e. that's not actually exactly what the spread means but w/e Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Oct 20, 2017 |
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Oct 20, 2017 20:58
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https://twitter.com/julianassange/status/921460341103620096 When you’re not mad
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Oct 20, 2017 21:01
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https://twitter.com/WWE/status/921461747130740736 i'm shocked it took this long
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Oct 20, 2017 21:04
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Athanatos posted:I'm guessing you got banned from discord again? I would like to suggest that the votes be public in the thread with also full paragraph responses on why they're yes or no. Feel free to write more than a paragraph however.
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Oct 20, 2017 21:06
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Athanatos posted:I'm guessing you got banned from discord again? Haha, this owns. Additionally, this.... FizFashizzle posted:Lol if you haven’t started a story with “yeah I got a buddy...” only to realize you were talking about someone from tff
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Oct 20, 2017 21:06
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