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Rahul posted:One thing I really don't understand is why everyone seems to think that any money that beneficiaries get immediately disappears into a black hole. but they didn;t work for it! had fun time with gf tonight who voted for national and waht made the night good was that we didnt talk about it once bobbilljim posted:Funny how national voters are not slow to get the dole as soon as they lose their job, which is stealing according to them?? when my dad had to go on disability and he felt the system was utterly humiliating but of course he deserved it and erveryone else just bludges vote blue he does
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I was once compared to a dented can of baked beans, also later told that I wouldn't get a job "looking like that" despite mentioning moments earlier that I had a second interview for a position. I was young, had no responsibilities, a degree in computer science, was arrogant enough to think the case worker didn't know poo poo about poo poo, and was cynical, so I just laughed it off. I can't imagine how that sort of talk would affect someone who was none of those things. Although, I still think case workers are not nessecarily qualified for the position they find themselves in but not because of arrogance this time.
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Oct 20, 2017 20:35
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Rahul posted:One thing I really don't understand is why everyone seems to think that any money that beneficiaries get immediately disappears into a black hole. The bullshit "beneficiaries taking holidays in Australia" narrative was specifically created to counter the point you're making.
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Oct 20, 2017 21:19
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El Pollo Blanco posted:The bullshit "beneficiaries taking holidays in Australia" narrative was specifically created to counter the point you're making. I thought it was the "Malt, Malboros and Meth" one?
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Oct 20, 2017 21:23
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True story, I actually took a holiday in Australia while on the benefit in my early twenties. My dad paid for me and my brother to go to a weekend concert with him, so two nights and back, and a few weeks after I'd returned WINZ sent me an arrears notice for $900 that I had to spend like a month trying to prove to them that I hadn't been living overseas, but in the meantime they'd cancelled my benefit and then when it was all settled their mea culpa was that I could reapply for the benefit.
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Oct 20, 2017 21:52
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klen dool posted:I was once compared to a dented can of baked beans, also later told that I wouldn't get a job "looking like that" despite mentioning moments earlier that I had a second interview for a position. Those who can get a job, do. Those who can't, teach.
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Oct 20, 2017 22:06
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Ghostlight posted:True story, I actually took a holiday in Australia while on the benefit in my early twenties. Did you inform WINZ that you were popping overseas?
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Oct 20, 2017 22:37
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Oct 20, 2017 23:58
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 Mr. Social media poster missed a few political parties from his wee list
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Oct 21, 2017 00:03
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Despite being that close to governing solo National still lost. Why would we want losers like that governing us? Especially when they'd be teaming up with someone 99.5% of us didn't want anything to do with.
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Oct 21, 2017 00:07
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Weren't National trying to create a narrative that Bill English decided the cost of bringing NZF in was too much? https://twitter.com/bryce_edwards/status/921479352725880832
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Oct 21, 2017 01:02
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We could have a referendum to scrap MMP, if only for the fact that the majority of voters actually got what they wanted, as MMP intends, therefore making a referendum outcome favouring the National voting minority unlikely. Dreadful business, this democracy.
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Spyderizer posted:We could have a referendum to scrap MMP, if only for the fact that the majority of voters actually got what they wanted, as MMP intends, therefore making a referendum outcome favouring the National voting minority unlikely. It’s worth listening carefully to Winston’s speech, he’s very clear about what he did and why. Seemed quite heartfelt, even.
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Oct 21, 2017 02:06
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sebmojo posted:It’s worth listening carefully to Winston’s speech, he’s very clear about what he did and why. Seemed quite heartfelt, even. I had and he really does believe in MMP not that he isn't thinking how it has benefited him over the years of course. When the reporter(s) asked the dumbass question transparently trying to reframe MMP into FPTP Peters got visibility angry for a moment. I can't believe how many times he had to reiterate how MMP works and why it is good. No moral majority or any poo poo like that. We have the numbers to form the government and I believe this is the best choice for the people of New Zealand. Some understandable grandstanding aside it was a pretty good speech.
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Oct 21, 2017 02:30
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I am not really happy with the way it's being reported - as if Winston decided who should be in govt. Winston didn't decide alone, he merely decided last. Winston had as much agency as every other party. As far as I can tell, the greens decided not not even try and negotiate with the nats. I suppose labour and the nats decided to not negotiate with each other. Nzfirst, greens and that one other guy could have had a coalition and dared national and labour to work together to oppose them. I mean there are a gently caress tonne of ways this could have gone down that would be less democratic than it was. When I think about it that way, nzfirst are the most MMP friendly party, and people should not be crying foul (fowl?) that our democracy is broken because 1 man decided everything - instead they should be calling out all other parties for refusing to work together. Also, Winston didn't decide - his caucus and board did. I have no reason to doubt him when he says that is the case.
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Oct 21, 2017 02:34
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:
lol none of these mother fuckers would be saying that if the opposite happened it would be left wing voters saying it instead
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oohhboy posted:I had and he really does believe in MMP not that he isn't thinking how it has benefited him over the years of course. When the reporter(s) asked the dumbass question transparently trying to reframe MMP into FPTP Peters got visibility angry for a moment. I can't believe how many times he had to reiterate how MMP works and why it is good. Yeah i think Winston handled it all pretty well tbh. Especially if as claimed Nats offered more "baubles" e: mind you there's only 4 worthwhile MPs in NZF anyway, makes much more sense to get policy gains Wandle Cax fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 21, 2017 |
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Oct 21, 2017 03:12
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klen dool posted:Nzfirst, greens and that one other guy could have had a coalition and dared national and labour to work together to oppose them. Wait, what? What other guy? David Seymour? Gareth Morgan? Whoever it is, no coalition without either Labour or the Nats would come even close to being able to form a government. If every other party banded together they wouldn't even have 20% of the vote
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Oct 21, 2017 03:32
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klen dool posted:When I think about it that way, nzfirst are the most MMP friendly party, and people should not be crying foul (fowl?) that our democracy is broken because 1 man decided everything - instead they should be calling out all other parties for refusing to work together. This. National's policy was incompatible with all the other parties, they were unwilling to compromise, therefore could not achieve a majority. The fact that Winston was a maybe is irrelevant. National, at any time in the campaign could have said "Hey, we'll consider some environmental and social responsibility issues if you'll consider working with us" to the greens, or even Labour, however they chose to go the negative campaign route, and now this is where they are. The simple fact is not enough people voted for national policy or national compatible policy, that makes it a minority, that makes it's proponents opposition. We call that losing an election.
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Oct 21, 2017 04:26
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They ran an FPP campaign, in an MMP election.
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Oct 21, 2017 04:31
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Wafflecopper posted:Wait, what? What other guy? David Seymour? Gareth Morgan? Whoever it is, no coalition without either Labour or the Nats would come even close to being able to form a government. If every other party banded together they wouldn't even have 20% of the vote Well I didn't mean to imply that every other party would be able to form a govt, merely that they could have coalesced and negotiated together. But as far as I understand, and I am not a lawyer, but the nats could very well have just stated that they are still the govt and if no one objects then they would govern. The reason you need a majority is so that a vote of no confidence would fail, so what makes a government a government all hinges one that one little vote. It seems to be quite a loose descriptive thing, rather than the law prescribing what a govt should look like. I kinda wish I knew more about all this stuff.
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Oct 21, 2017 04:33
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sebmojo posted:It’s worth listening carefully to Winston’s speech, he’s very clear about what he did and why. Seemed quite heartfelt, even. "National is far more likely to stab me in the back, gently caress the wound and kill my family than Labour" seems more a matter of pragmatism than sentiment, tbh.
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Oct 21, 2017 04:34
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Oct 21, 2017 04:37
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I liked that as a consolation prize that not only did the Maori party did not get anything they wanted or need but they got destroyed by their own "Partner". I have a friend who is a centre left but he believes the Greens are some sort of Marxist monster looking to impose full communism. He knows how MMP works mechanically but somehow can't get over the fact it is designed to give the smaller parties a voice and when they form a coalition they negotiate to a common goal that tends to be the middle of the extremes. He thinks the smaller parties either exists to hold the government hostage and/or is a vestigial tail that should be absorbed into the bigger parties while he voted for NZF. He is a good bloke all round and has an Mainland Chinese wife with a baby on the way but his politics is very  ??????. He is discussing in good faith but he just can't get his head around the real world results and questions why, who, how, what, when that lead to it..
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Oct 21, 2017 04:39
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WarpedNaba posted:He does know we already have a communist party, right? ...we do?
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WarpedNaba posted:"National is far more likely to stab me in the back, gently caress the wound and kill my family than Labour" seems more a matter of pragmatism than sentiment, tbh. Just look at how quickly they cut ACT loose.
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Oct 21, 2017 04:46
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WarpedNaba posted:"National is far more likely to stab me in the back, gently caress the wound and kill my family than Labour" seems more a matter of pragmatism than sentiment, tbh. Not really or it was far weaker than his attack on the media for doing such a poo poo job while being hitmen for national for trying kill both him and the Greens. WarpedNaba posted:He does know we already have a communist party, right? Yes we do. He trying to reconcile right wing talking points to left wing actions while being a leftist yet trying to be centralist not understanding the foundations of the left and right. I did point out that there is a communist party and that they don't get votes which leads to him saying the Greens are Marxist. I then press him on the Marxist policies that the Greens have which results in him saying that poor people do need the help when they fall on bad times before bashing them in the next sentence. I don't reply to this because it is just too insane. Politics break people brains something ferocious. At least he is trying compared to others I know who spit out right wing nonsense without a moment of thought.
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Oct 21, 2017 04:58
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WarpedNaba posted:Did you inform WINZ that you were popping overseas?
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Oct 21, 2017 07:34
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Why would Bill go for a mince and cheese pie ?? Surely a Spag and cheese toastie
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Oct 21, 2017 10:04
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It was a “pizza”.
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Oct 21, 2017 10:24
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I'm not talking about his fancy meals.
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Oct 21, 2017 10:43
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gently caress, I am going to stop reading nz politics for are while with the level of bad faith coming from the right is beyond insane. At least the USA is so bad it’s funny.
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Oct 21, 2017 11:00
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Oct 21, 2017 21:03
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Varkk posted:https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/98122008/kermadec-ocean-sanctuary-put-on-ice-by-nz-first-catching-greens-unaware Jacinda's confident it'll still go ahead, with consultation: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98130588/kermadec-sanctuary-still-on-table-but-iwi-consultation-key--labour
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Oct 22, 2017 02:23
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LOL the people saying National would have rubber stamped it had they won. It was a PR stunt in the UN they never had the intention of implementing knowing the Green and what not would vote for it. Even if he wanted to leave this as some sort of positive legacy unlike the obvious agenda and waste of time that the flag was having the opposition vote for it would have the right call him a traitor. John Key can't have that because he above anything else he wants to remain as an object to projected upon that is safe.
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