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Latest Dead Pundits Society is a really good episode on the pitfalls of social democracy: https://soundcloud.com/deadpundits/ep-32-corbyn-the-pitfalls-of-social-democracy-w-leo-panitch
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 17:52 |
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an actual dog posted:In my chapter, there have been points where someone was about to make a decision that they thought they had consensus on, but because of roberts rules they paused and clarified and everything worked out better. It prevents someone who is well meaning from making mistakes, it's not going to make someone not an rear end in a top hat. my only bristly experience w/ RR was when the PDX DSA chapter had a very exhaustive debate regarding an official statement regarding Fetonte. After over an hour of debate the members had hit a wall and were in 'please god let's just vote and get this over with' mode. When I attempted to point out that the drafted statement contradicted itself (starts with a call for Fetonte to resign immediately citing his CLEAT work as disqualifying him for the position, finishes with a "we will support a NPC fact finding mission, if it says what we think it will say he should step down immediately") I got shouted down for not following some part of parliamentary procedure and was functionally told that the time for me to make statements like that was over and that I would not be allowed to elaborate. I wasn't trying to argue for or against making a statement, I simply wanted any potential statement to have a clear and direct call to action. Next time I guess I'll make these requests before everyone's blood sugar drops too low.
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 18:43 |
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Vhak lord of hate posted:theres nothing more annoying than two people who have masterful grasp of roberts rules and disagree. they can literally sandbag entire discussions and dominate conversations, wasting the time of everyone who doesn't care. i hate roberts rules more than anything That's when you tell them to shut the gently caress up
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 18:43 |
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gently caress Robert's Rules. G.U.R.P.S. is the best rule set.
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 18:54 |
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social democracy is a lie and a poison of the mind just stop being such a wimp and be a full socialist good part is you don't even gotta have a specific tendency or go full communist you can just be a socialist its wonderful and it frees the mind
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 19:05 |
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Bok Bok posted:https://trainings.350.org/resource/how-to-facilitate-meetings-the-no-magic-method/ this really isn't a replacement for robert's rules, it's just how to prepare for a meeting. and you have to know like 5 phrases to be good at robert's rules. it's not that hard i mean lol quote:Try to end the meeting the way it started—with a sense of community. Don’t let it just end abruptly. A song, some silence, standing in a circle, shaking hands—anything which affirms the groups and gives a feeling of closure is good
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 19:16 |
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Phi230 posted:social democracy is a lie and a poison of the mind just stop being such a wimp and be a full socialist social democracy is basically democratic centralism in so many ways
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 19:31 |
There are at least 4 members of the goon caucus here learning to change brake lights and it's loving awesome imo as is socialism
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 20:50 |
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Phi230 posted:social democracy is a lie and a poison of the mind just stop being such a wimp and be a full socialist
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 20:56 |
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:gently caress Robert's Rules. G.U.R.P.S. is the best rule set. DS(Pbt)A
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 21:10 |
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IM DAY DAY IRL posted:my only bristly experience w/ RR was when the PDX DSA chapter had a very exhaustive debate regarding an official statement regarding Fetonte. After over an hour of debate the members had hit a wall and were in 'please god let's just vote and get this over with' mode. When I attempted to point out that the drafted statement contradicted itself (starts with a call for Fetonte to resign immediately citing his CLEAT work as disqualifying him for the position, finishes with a "we will support a NPC fact finding mission, if it says what we think it will say he should step down immediately") I got shouted down for not following some part of parliamentary procedure and was functionally told that the time for me to make statements like that was over and that I would not be allowed to elaborate. OTOH that meeting was pretty drat hilarious in seeing just how wound up some people get about parliamentary procedure. I liked the debate, agreed it was going on too long, but was also really enjoying the spectacle of a couple nerds jumping up to shout out their magic catchphrases that’d steer the conversation.
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 21:39 |
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lol of course maoists are doing it https://twitter.com/RSF_ATX/status/919993864190091264 though not a bad idea actually
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 23:32 |
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having the class war outside today
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 23:35 |
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today our workgroup will be learning how to *checks itinerary* kill your landlord
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# ? Oct 21, 2017 23:35 |
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https://twitter.com/wowdoggos/status/921897705605132289
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 01:37 |
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jokes on him i dont read
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 01:45 |
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Unbelievably Fat Man posted:gently caress Robert's Rules. G.U.R.P.S. is the best rule set. it's true
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 02:16 |
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How hard is it to block people from sending messages to a mailing list
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 02:34 |
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:How hard is it to block people from sending messages to a mailing list it's not a mailing list, he has everyone's email address saved in his personal email account.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 02:46 |
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platzapS posted:Why, and what would you propose instead for large group meetings? RR work okay in everyday use - when you probably aren’t following them religiously. As soon as a disagreement becomes entrenched enough, though, someone is going to start rules lawyering the 716-page document. In a mass organization it is probably not really appropriate to expect people to master a system designed for power users with the time to get acquainted with it. There are many alternative rules for conducting meetings - even large meetings - and none of them are ever explored because RR is a default. Consensus is kind of lovely for large meetings but there are other forms of parliamentary procedure and other procedures for running large meetings. I’m exploring some of them in my work outside the DSA and don’t have a favorite yet, but RR is a fuckin pill.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 02:47 |
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use rusty's
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 02:56 |
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also as one of the original architects of the bylaws amendments and one of the 23 cosigners i am proud to call marcus a comrade. he has done more in the past 3 months i've known him to further the cause of socialism than the loving cop fetonte will ever do. also it's really interesting to be on the receiving end of a COINTELPRO op
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 02:56 |
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Syndlig posted:also as one of the original architects of the bylaws amendments and one of the 23 cosigners i am proud to call marcus a comrade. he has done more in the past 3 months i've known him to further the cause of socialism than the loving cop fetonte will ever do. Is Fetonte still attending meetings or does he send out emails?
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 03:12 |
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Syndlig posted:it's not a mailing list, he has everyone's email address saved in his personal email account. that is far more dastardly than I expected an old rear end man to be
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 03:13 |
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Green Country DSA today in Tulsa ratified our bylaws and collected the necessary signatures to start the process. That's good. Meanwhile, the budget shortfall in Oklahoma will result in every outpatient mental health program being shut down as well as drug and alcohol court by November 1st, with more cuts to come. This was announced this last Wednesday. That's bad. We're going to organize a coalition action at a regular meeting held by the governor to demand another legislative special session. That's good.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 03:24 |
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apokaladle posted:There are at least 4 members of the goon caucus here learning to change brake lights and it's loving awesome imo as is socialism wait what who were the other two?!?! Tricky Dick Nixon posted:Green Country DSA today in Tulsa ratified our bylaws and collected the necessary signatures to start the process. That's good. Hurrah! Bah! Hurrah! ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 03:32 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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platzapS posted:Is Fetonte still attending meetings or does he send out emails? no, he sends his wife and son to instigate on his behalf while ranting from the comfort of his home.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 04:10 |
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Syndlig posted:no, he sends his wife and son to instigate on his behalf while ranting from the comfort of his home. have you considered standing outside his home and yelling "LOG OFF" towards him
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 07:41 |
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the bitcoin of weed posted:have you considered standing outside his home and yelling "LOG OFF" towards him I WILL NEVER LOG OFF OF LIFE
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 07:58 |
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Karl Barks posted:this really isn't a replacement for robert's rules, it's just how to prepare for a meeting. and you have to know like 5 phrases to be good at robert's rules. it's not that hard Frontliners here in St. Louis often do something similar to this at the end of spending two hours being stared down by cops. Zythrst has issued a correction as of 11:06 on Oct 22, 2017 |
# ? Oct 22, 2017 10:58 |
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Robert's Rules are bad and no one follows them correctly anyway (nor should they), so why adopt them? Here are some fun, little-known facts about Robert's Rules that people don't realize until some rear end in a top hat uses them to derail your meeting or even your whole organization:
There are lots of other problems with RR, these are just some of the ways I've personally seen organizations get stuck in quagmires because they unthinkingly adopted RR in their bylaws 40 years ago back when everyone liked each other. Granted, you can prevent the problems listed above by drafting bylaws provisions that override them, but at that point maybe you should just adopt another set of rules to begin with. There are plenty of alternatives, almost all of them superior: the Modern Rules of Order, Martha's Rules of Order, the Democratic Rules of Order, etc.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 12:40 |
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discard roberts rules, settle all organizational disagreements by bludgeoning people w thick dildoes
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 13:16 |
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Anti-war rally today and PSL just told us they weren't coming due to transportation issues.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 18:59 |
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OhFunny posted:Anti-war rally today and PSL just told us they weren't coming due to transportation issues. those tanks are gas guzzlers, okay?
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 19:09 |
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:wait what who were the other two?!?! That's my bald spot in the photo you posted on Twitter.
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# ? Oct 22, 2017 22:36 |
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Squizzle posted:discard roberts rules, settle all organizational disagreements by bludgeoning people w thick dildoes Didn't know Steelport had a DSA chapter.
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# ? Oct 23, 2017 05:02 |
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i hope sam kriss didn't say anything nice about the DSA
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# ? Oct 23, 2017 05:10 |
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LinYutang posted:i hope sam kriss didn't say anything nice about the DSA im gonna say watching the alt right thread puts these twitter fights into a pretty needed perspective rn
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# ? Oct 23, 2017 05:16 |
Someone snapped this pic at our DSA meeting on sunday
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I have never wanted to dress up as something for Halloween so badly.
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# ? Oct 23, 2017 20:20 |