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Kokoro Wish
Jul 23, 2007

Post? What post? Oh wow.
I had nothing to do with THAT.

Hihohe posted:

Ok cool the derail inter field man wanted happened. good job dude. Grade A baiting and such.

Anyway I found Freedom toons today. God awful "animation" and "voice acting". Ive seen better cartoons from 2003 newgrounds.
Also thier opinions suck too.

https://youtu.be/5uqclSGwDVw

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mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
Remember when "red pill" was just cheesy lingo used by "pick up artists" to describe being duped by their silly bullshit?

Notorious R.I.M.
Jan 27, 2004

up to my ass in alligators

nickmeister posted:

Remember when "red pill" was just cheesy lingo used by "pick up artists" to describe being duped by their silly bullshit?

The good ol days back when PUAs, Internet Atheists, Gamers, and 4chan posters hadn't merged into a nazi katamari yet.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

I've said it before, but all the dweeby rear end MRAs and net-nazis that can't ever stop blabbing about how hard they took the redpill bro, just make me laugh after all the good pieces made about trans themes and overtones in The Matrix.

Anti-Citizen
Oct 24, 2007
As You're Playing Chess, I'm Playing Russian Roulette

Yardbomb posted:

I've said it before, but all the dweeby rear end MRAs and net-nazis that can't ever stop blabbing about how hard they took the redpill bro, just make me laugh after all the good pieces made about trans themes and overtones in The Matrix.

I recently just realized the pill in Total Recall that would put Arnie back to sleep so he could lead his comfortable lie of a life was also called the Red Pill. PKD really goes out of his way to inspire predictions that no one has any right to be making.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

Then what am I then?

a loving idiot

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



rkajdi posted:

Great, why are we supposed to hate on Jim loving Sterling Son? Dude's a self-admitted degenerate, but I don't get why anybody here should see that as a problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUk4GI_Y5Y

I love this video so much. But even right after it was posted there was a dickhead in the comment saying how much they also hated Jim and other "Regressives." You could practically hear the whoosh of the joke going over their head. Also maybe have a chuckle at them for posting such poo poo on slowbeef's channel of all places.

Ragnar34
Oct 10, 2007

Lipstick Apathy
Apparently The Golden One posted a response to Contra's video. Not gonna watch it because the thing with TGO is he only approaches likable when Contra is also onscreen mooning over him.

I'm assuming his video is a combination of flexing, failing to address the real arguments, making the same mistakes Contra made fun of, more flexing, and something about masturbation being bad.

Facts alert to TGO, paging TGO: fascism is so ridiculous and disgusting that it doesn't rise to the dignity of being a failed ideology, you are a running internet gag on the level of loss.jpg or Davis Aurini, and masturbation loving rules on every level including morally.

Advantages of touching yourself:
- low carbon footprint
- free entertainment
- lowers blood pressure
- fertility advantages
- have a cool time
- increased bedroom stamina
- more room to sit down on the subway
- fascists don't like it and that makes it antifa
- you can do it whenever, alone or with friends
- the most fun you can have at work

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The secular opposition to masturbation (absenting people who manage to gently caress up their dicks doing it wrong) will never cease to amaze me as being spectacularly daft.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The secular opposition to masturbation started with the whole insanity and blindness thing and stole wholesale a bunch of "every drop of semen is 16 drops of cerebrospinal fluid, which makes it 256 drops of blood" from Vedic thought when that no longer worked, and now seems to have moved on to some kind of testosterone related thing.

In every case it has been oppositeofscience.txt, where they started with the premise that it's bad and worked backwards looking for evidence.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

I dont think you can dissuade a person's ideology with a punch or doxxing them or anything like that.
Actually all the guys who were doxxed and fired tended to put up sad sack apology videos then drop off the face of the earth. I mean given the capitalist hellhole we live in, getting someone fired and pseudo blackballed means they're going to have to work such hard hours at such lovely jobs that they won't have time for their ideology. It's not a gulag, but it's the next best thing.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Guavanaut posted:

The secular opposition to masturbation started with the whole insanity and blindness thing and stole wholesale a bunch of "every drop of semen is 16 drops of cerebrospinal fluid, which makes it 256 drops of blood" from Vedic thought when that no longer worked, and now seems to have moved on to some kind of testosterone related thing.

In every case it has been oppositeofscience.txt, where they started with the premise that it's bad and worked backwards looking for evidence.

Actually it's about protecting the purity of our precious bodily fluids

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Ragnar34 posted:

Apparently The Golden One posted a response to Contra's video. Not gonna watch it because the thing with TGO is he only approaches likable when Contra is also onscreen mooning over him.

I'm assuming his video is a combination of flexing, failing to address the real arguments, making the same mistakes Contra made fun of, more flexing, and something about masturbation being bad.


I tried and had to stop after 48 seconds. Dear god, he is still making the 40K references!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

In case anyone doesn't already listen to the fplus, nofap is amazing.

Got to hang onto your semen or your sex power will all fall out and you will become weak.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Ragnar34 posted:

Apparently The Golden One posted a response to Contra's video. Not gonna watch it because the thing with TGO is he only approaches likable when Contra is also onscreen mooning over him.

I'm assuming his video is a combination of flexing, failing to address the real arguments, making the same mistakes Contra made fun of, more flexing, and something about masturbation being bad.

Facts alert to TGO, paging TGO: fascism is so ridiculous and disgusting that it doesn't rise to the dignity of being a failed ideology, you are a running internet gag on the level of loss.jpg or Davis Aurini, and masturbation loving rules on every level including morally.

Advantages of touching yourself:
- low carbon footprint
- free entertainment
- lowers blood pressure
- fertility advantages
- have a cool time
- increased bedroom stamina
- more room to sit down on the subway
- fascists don't like it and that makes it antifa
- you can do it whenever, alone or with friends
- the most fun you can have at work
Helps lower incidence of prostate cancer in men.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


tbh if you only edge you do gain incredible powers unknown to mere mortal men.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I edged too long in high school and it was like the end of Altered States.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Groovelord Neato posted:

tbh if you only edge you do gain incredible powers unknown to mere mortal men.

What if you also jelk while you edge?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


power overwhelming.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
Can men achieve multiple orgasms via a prostate massager?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
try it out and report back

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015
There was a video with a neo-nazi getting assaulted in a subway, he responded by taking out a knife and knifing his attackers. If I remember correctly, he killed one and seriously injured others.
In that situation could be argued that he acted in self-defense.
Do situations like this seem desirable to people who advocate attacking nazis?
In USA especially, guns commonplace, a Nazi in a similar situation could shoot you in self-defense.
Are situations like this feasible? Would you promote attacking Nazis in the streets, if these incidents were common?
It's interesting that American Nazis being more cowardly/peaceful is brought up as an argument for confronting them.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Monglo posted:

There was a video with a neo-nazi getting assaulted in a subway, he responded by taking out a knife and knifing his attackers. If I remember correctly, he killed one and seriously injured others.

If you're talking about the one I think you are, try again, they were going crazy at some young muslim women and then.

"At least two men tried to calm the ranting passenger down, but 'they were attacked by the suspect' when they did, Simpson said. 'It appears that the victims were trying to intervene in his behavior, deescalate him and protect some other people on the train when [the suspect] viciously attacked them.' Simpson said."

Kill all nazis, because they're literally always itching to go first.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Monglo posted:

There was a video with a neo-nazi getting assaulted in a subway, he responded by taking out a knife and knifing his attackers. If I remember correctly, he killed one and seriously injured others.
In that situation could be argued that he acted in self-defense.
Do situations like this seem desirable to people who advocate attacking nazis?
In USA especially, guns commonplace, a Nazi in a similar situation could shoot you in self-defense.
Are situations like this feasible? Would you promote attacking Nazis in the streets, if these incidents were common?
It's interesting that American Nazis being more cowardly/peaceful is brought up as an argument for confronting them.

Self-defense is not a great defense when you’re the one pulling a weapon and killing, at least in American cities with subways. The normal standard for self-defense is that you have to have retreated and been cornered (stand-your-ground is a reaction against this standard in some states). But generally when we’re discussing stomping nazis it’s in the context of them out actively causing harm as nazis and not busting into their homes and burning them in their beds.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Monglo posted:

There was a video with a neo-nazi getting assaulted in a subway, he responded by taking out a knife and knifing his attackers. If I remember correctly, he killed one and seriously injured others.
In that situation could be argued that he acted in self-defense.
Do situations like this seem desirable to people who advocate attacking nazis?
In USA especially, guns commonplace, a Nazi in a similar situation could shoot you in self-defense.
Are situations like this feasible? Would you promote attacking Nazis in the streets, if these incidents were common?
It's interesting that American Nazis being more cowardly/peaceful is brought up as an argument for confronting them.

Are you asking if we're considered that Nazis are capable of doing violence? Because yeah, I think that's come up before somewhere. :psyduck:

e: yeah if it's the incident yardbomb mentioned, that was a Nazi straight up murdering a guy.

Goon Danton fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Oct 23, 2017

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

Monglo posted:

There was a video with a neo-nazi getting assaulted in a subway, he responded by taking out a knife and knifing his attackers. If I remember correctly, he killed one and seriously injured others.
In that situation could be argued that he acted in self-defense.
Do situations like this seem desirable to people who advocate attacking nazis?
In USA especially, guns commonplace, a Nazi in a similar situation could shoot you in self-defense.
Are situations like this feasible? Would you promote attacking Nazis in the streets, if these incidents were common?
It's interesting that American Nazis being more cowardly/peaceful is brought up as an argument for confronting them.

Please provide a link or article for the video? It's hard to discuss the situation without more context. It sounds like you may be talking about the Portland 2017 train attack, but it would be hard to describe that guy acting in self-defense.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Monglo posted:

Watching Sargon on Joe Rogan. Seems like a reasonable guy.

Monglo posted:

You guys are needlessly hating in these YouTubers, they are just showmen grasping at straws of originality hoping to make original YouTube content.
Seems petty to mock them for it.

Monglo posted:

Hbomb looks like he has a bit of the downs.

Monglo posted:

Jews are not a race btw. So you'd be incorrect even if he did mean it when he said kill the jews. Which he didn't.
Why are you so quick to throw around hurtful insults like racist? It devalues the word. When there's a real case of racism, you don't want everyone to equate it with what PewDiePie joked around once in his YouTube video. Racism is a serious issue, bro.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

I'm starting to detect some kind of pattern in who you deem worthy of defending or attacking.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean in the hypothetical I'm content to let them alone physically as long as they are not displaying their beliefs or acting on them. That's the point at which nonviolent opposition is quite sufficient. If they are displaying their affiliation or acting on it, then any harm that befalls them is their own fault. And while "self defence" would normally be a valid legal defence it isn't a moral one. You're a nazi, you're openly advocating for it, you get what's coming to you.

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015
Best a could find is this pretty lovely video, defending the stabber.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05b_1363454781&comments=1

It's Spain and I was misremembering when I wrote that he got attacked first. But the reason for the stabbing was that the group was identifiable anti-fascist.
I was making a point about escalation of violence in a situation were a Nazi gets punched and he retaliates in a disproportionate way, like pulls out a gun or just seriously injures the person who punches him.
I mean it's not unreasonable to imagine such a situation without even labeling people as Nazis. A heated situation, gets physical, somebody gets seriously injured. And if it's true that Nazis are inherently more violent then the danger is even more prominent.
Isnt it irresponsible to urge people to put themselves in such danger? If you convince your friend to punch nazis, he does just that and gets a bullet. Would you feel good about it?

Monglo
Mar 19, 2015

Goon Danton posted:

I'm starting to detect some kind of pattern in who you deem worthy of defending or attacking.

Yeah, thats dumb and embarrassing. I apologise.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Monglo posted:

Yeah, thats dumb and embarrassing. I apologise.

Do you know what it is you're apologizing for?

Great Metal Jesus
Jun 11, 2007

Got no use for psychiatry
I can talk to the voices
in my head for free
Mood swings like an axe
Into those around me
My tongue is a double agent
I'm reading about the incident now and Spain is on a whole other planet from the USA both with regard to how emboldened their Nazis are and how anti-fascist protesters react.

From the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7090656.stm posted:

The clashes follow recent reports of racially-motivated attacks in Spain.
The violence reportedly broke out when members of the small right-wing National Democracy party encountered a group of left-wing activists in the Legazpi station.

Mr Palomino was stabbed in the heart and treated at the scene but rescuers were unable to save him.

The man accused of stabbing him is believed to have been a participant in the anti-immigration rally.
....
Hundreds of anti-racism protestors later brandished sticks and threw rocks and Molotov cocktails as they attempted to stop the rally from taking place.

From the World Socialist Website (finding English language recountings of what happened is hard:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/12/spai-d08.html posted:

The young people were travelling in a group with the intention of stopping a demonstration organised by the ultra-right-wing party “Democracia Nacional” in Usera, a working class district where many immigrants live. The demonstration was extremely provocative, called under slogans such as “Against anti-Spanish racism” and “Against immigration.” It had been authorised by the Madrid government and was protected by hundreds of policemen. The fascist Frente Nacional (National Front) later held another protest against immigrants, with the slogan “For your security and that of your family.”

After the stabbing, 24-year-old Josué Estébanez de la Hija, an Army soldier serving in the King’s Immemorial Regiment, was pursued and caught outside the Underground station. After being treated in hospital, he was taken into custody, suspected of carrying out the fatal stabbing of Carlos Javier Palomino. The soldier, of reported Nazi leanings, was travelling in the same train in order to take part in the Usera racist demonstration.

Since the death of Palomino, several demonstrations have been organised to protest his killing all over Spain. Most of them have ended in battles with riot police, who have been out in force. One demonstration in Caceres on November 22 ended in a further stabbing by a Nazi supporter of an anti-fascist youth, who is gravely ill in hospital. Many more youngsters have been badly hurt, either by fascist thugs or the riot police in further demonstrations.

Also keep in mind this was a decade ago. From my extremely limited knowledge it doesn't sound like things have gotten a whole lot better :smith:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean there's a pretty notable historical reason as to why spain might have a problem with fascism.

Antifascists know full well how dangerous neo nazis are, I wouldn't tell anybody to do something they aren't comfortable with, but if someone chooses to put their life on the line to protect others and gets hurt for it, I'm blaming the loving nazis, not the people who fight them.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Monglo posted:

Best a could find is this pretty lovely video, defending the stabber.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05b_1363454781&comments=1

It's Spain and I was misremembering when I wrote that he got attacked first. But the reason for the stabbing was that the group was identifiable anti-fascist.
I was making a point about escalation of violence in a situation were a Nazi gets punched and he retaliates in a disproportionate way, like pulls out a gun or just seriously injures the person who punches him.
I mean it's not unreasonable to imagine such a situation without even labeling people as Nazis. A heated situation, gets physical, somebody gets seriously injured. And if it's true that Nazis are inherently more violent then the danger is even more prominent.
Isnt it irresponsible to urge people to put themselves in such danger? If you convince your friend to punch nazis, he does just that and gets a bullet. Would you feel good about it?
So a Nazi attacks someone for being against fascism and you somehow come away with "geeze maybe we're too violent to nazis". Dude the clear solution is to kill the Nazis first. This situation is even in loving Spain. In Spain they allowed the fascists to show up as a political party and argue their case. The fascists lost the election and then in retaliation killed everyone who disagreed and took over the country. Allowing fascists to argue does not work because they will 100% of the time kill people when they lose legitimate elections. Their philosophy incompatible with arguing in good faith and they should all be killed or imprisoned.

Fascists shouldn't be allowed to organize at a political level for the same reason I don't let methheads participate in my pokers nights.

TheDeadlyShoe
Feb 14, 2014

fascists also thrive on a sense of victimization, and 'punching fascists' doesn't mean 'win the altercation'. nazis are much more willing to be violent, and are generally better prepared for it, as evidenced numerous times.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

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Monglo posted:

There was a video with a neo-nazi getting assaulted in a subway, he responded by taking out a knife and knifing his attackers. If I remember correctly, he killed one and seriously injured others.
In that situation could be argued that he acted in self-defense.
Do situations like this seem desirable to people who advocate attacking nazis?
In USA especially, guns commonplace, a Nazi in a similar situation could shoot you in self-defense.
Are situations like this feasible? Would you promote attacking Nazis in the streets, if these incidents were common?
It's interesting that American Nazis being more cowardly/peaceful is brought up as an argument for confronting them.

Monglo posted:

It's Spain and I was misremembering when I wrote that he got attacked first. But the reason for the stabbing was that the group was identifiable anti-fascist.

So, his crime was justified because of what the victim was wearing? If she didn't want to get stabbed, she shouldn't have left the house looking like that? Is that what you're going for?

Look, I get that you're trying to control the conversation by changing the topic from being killed in self-defence to having a friend killed by a nazi in retaliation, but, let's go back to the first one, yeah? Focus on that for a while.

Someone getting killed in self-defence didn't happen. You claimed that it did, and it didn't. You even go on to admit that they were killed because they looked like antifa. The nazi stabbed a bunch of people because he thought they looked like his enemies. This is what the nazi ideology says is okay to do to your enemies.

You do get that everything that happened was the nazi's fault, right? You're smart enough to see that, yeah? They weren't killed "because they looked like antifa," they were killed by a nazi who thought that actual murder was justified. Nazis are not animals, they are not blameless for their crimes. They make decisions like the rest of us. This is the ideology we're up against, Monglo. This is why fighting nazis is fighting back.

lllllllllllllllllll
Feb 28, 2010

Now the scene's lighting is perfect!

Ragnar34 posted:

Apparently The Golden One posted a response to Contra's video. Not gonna watch it because the thing with TGO is he only approaches likable when Contra is also onscreen mooning over him.
I almost feel bad for the guy. He does not have the common sense to hide his narcissism or idiocy and I can see him in a few years bitter and alone after he ran into enough walls with that attitude.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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TheDeadlyShoe posted:

fascists also thrive on a sense of victimization, and 'punching fascists' doesn't mean 'win the altercation'. nazis are much more willing to be violent, and are generally better prepared for it, as evidenced numerous times.

Facists already have that sense even when they are in positions of authority as long as it is not absolute. Stopping Nazi's byfighting them encourages more of their members to not come out in public, which is a net societal good.

Fair Bear Maiden
Jun 17, 2013

lllllllllllllllllll posted:

I almost feel bad for the guy. He does not have the common sense to hide his narcissism or idiocy and I can see him in a few years bitter and alone after he ran into enough walls with that attitude.

Don't be sad for him. He's still a nazi.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

fascists also thrive on a sense of victimization, and 'punching fascists' doesn't mean 'win the altercation'. nazis are much more willing to be violent, and are generally better prepared for it, as evidenced numerous times.

You punch them in the hope you can prevent them coming to power. Failure means another world war. How do some of you not understand how dangerous fascism is?

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