|
Nobody did that What are you on about EDIT: VVVV Ah, welp. Psycho Landlord fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Oct 22, 2017 |
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 02:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 21, 2024 21:09 |
|
|
Psycho Landlord posted:Nobody did that corvinus very considerately edited his post and i appreciate it
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 02:48
|
|
|
Sorry Cowcaster, I sometimes get a little too aggressive about that country/era combination.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 02:52
|
|
|
Corvinus posted:Sorry Cowcaster, I sometimes get a little too aggressive about that country/era combination. no big deal and i get it was a joke on the internets and everything i just don’t want terror billy to get the wrong idea
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 02:56
|
|
|
I hope our boy bj blazcowicz punches a tank with his power armor
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 03:02
|
|
|
Is there co-op or pvp in this game? it doesn't look like it but I wanted to make sure.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 03:11
|
|
Cowcaster posted:that feature reveal actually worries me because it sounds suspiciously similar to what shadow warrior 2 tried to do and that game was hot poo poo from a butt I wouldn't say SW2 was a bad game--I enjoyed it--but it certainly wasn't a game for everybody. That being said, that revealed "feature" was only a small part of what defined SW2--and not really one of the core ones--so I doubt that if TNC has that feature as well, it would somehow ruin your enjoyment of the game. Now if the reveal was the "procedurally generated maps and socketed loot" of SW2, that may have been a pretty big red flag...
|
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 03:14
|
|
|
Cowcaster posted:that feature reveal actually worries me because it sounds suspiciously similar to what shadow warrior 2 tried to do and that game was hot poo poo from a butt Shadow Warrior 2's big issue is that it tried to replace the linear levels from the first with three big areas that it forced you to repeat over and over for 12 hours. This is still a bunch of linear levels like TNO with that feature being there to mop up collectibles and get extra upgrades. And I guess also there as pseudo-combat arenas for people who liked them in TOB. You don't really have to bother with it. Also from the stream, in the hub area an arcade machine with Wolfenstein 3D is there and you can play seemingly the entire game. Except its called Wolfenstone 3D and you play as a Nazi Soldier/Elite Hans shooting Kreisau Circle members and fight ~~Terror Billy~~ instead of Hitler.  
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 03:15
|
|
|
GUI posted:Also from the stream, in the hub area an arcade machine with Wolfenstein 3D is there and you can play seemingly the entire game. Except its called Wolfenstone 3D and you play as a Nazi Soldier/Elite Hans shooting Kreisau Circle members and fight ~~Terror Billy~~ instead of Hitler. jesus loving christ game of the goddamn millennium
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 03:37
|
|
|
im gonna punch the poo poo outta that machine until it breaks
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 04:23
|
|
|
GUI posted:Shadow Warrior 2's big issue is that it tried to replace the linear levels from the first with three big areas that it forced you to repeat over and over for 12 hours. This is still a bunch of linear levels like TNO with that feature being there to mop up collectibles and get extra upgrades. And I guess also there as pseudo-combat arenas for people who liked them in TOB. You don't really have to bother with it.  that owns! Also lol that Max is a video game savant
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 04:23
|
|
|
texaholic posted:Is there co-op or pvp in this game? it doesn't look like it but I wanted to make sure. That's a negative, all of the Machinegames Wolfenstein games are single player only.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 07:00
|
|
|
Cowcaster posted:i thought that shermans were crappy things This word is really the crux of the argument, I think. They were disposable, but that's the point of armor - you pay with armor instead of lives. However, they were good at their jobs, as opposed to any number of actually crappy tanks.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 07:15
|
|
|
Corvinus posted:Edit: A lot of common beliefs about WW2 were influenced or even created by surviving germans/nazis, such as the so-called superior German tanks vs inferior American/Soviet tanks. And of course German tanks literally didn't have guns big enough to take out Soviet KVs early in the war.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 07:45
|
|
|
Mordja posted:And of course German tanks literally didn't have guns big enough to take out Soviet KVs early in the war. Also note one of the first documented (by the Germans) encounters with the T-34.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 07:48
|
|
|
Unreal_One posted:This word is really the crux of the argument, I think. They were disposable, but that's the point of armor - you pay with armor instead of lives. However, they were good at their jobs, as opposed to any number of actually crappy tanks. Yeah a crappy tank violently erupts when struck, killing everyone inside or mechanically fails so much it can't be effectively utilized on the battlefield. 'Runs and protects the people inside' are not qualities that I would ascribe as 'crappy' for a tank.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 08:41
|
|
|
A lot of the popular impression of the Sherman is coloured by the book Death Traps, a memoir by a guy who was part of a tank maintenance battalion. It did a lot to portray Shermans as, well, death traps, and was quite popular for a while. The thing is, though, that since the guy's job was to retrieve and repair damaged and destroyed Shermans, that'd be basically the only kind of Sherman he'd see. So you'd have a pretty massive sampling bias right there. Also, he was a liaison officer, mostly responsible for conveying loss reports and suchlike from the armoured units back to the maintenance unit, so he didn't have all that much insight into the technical side of things either (which did not keep him from making sweeping, and wrong, statements about that aspect, mind). Last but certainly not least, long stretches of the book have been straight-up ghostwritten to make things more exciting, and those parts are full of just completely wrong or hugely overblown statements.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 09:19
|
|
|
Xenomrph posted:That's a negative, all of the Machinegames Wolfenstein games are single player only. I'd love to see more Wolfenstein multiplayer. RtcW MP was incredible amounts of fun.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 09:39
|
|
|
GUI posted:Also from the stream, in the hub area an arcade machine with Wolfenstein 3D is there and you can play seemingly the entire game. Except its called Wolfenstone 3D and you play as a Nazi Soldier/Elite Hans shooting Kreisau Circle members and fight ~~Terror Billy~~ instead of Hitler. Okay. Okay. I cannot loving wait for this game holy poo poo. Jesus Christ release it already holy gently caress
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 10:22
|
|
|
GUI posted:Also from the stream, in the hub area an arcade machine with Wolfenstein 3D is there and you can play seemingly the entire game. Except its called Wolfenstone 3D and you play as a Nazi Soldier/Elite Hans shooting Kreisau Circle members and fight ~~Terror Billy~~ instead of Hitler.  I can't wait 'til Thursday night! Anyone know when pre-loading for this becomes available on PS4?
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 10:32
|
|
|
Cowcaster posted:that feature reveal actually worries me because it sounds suspiciously similar to what shadow warrior 2 tried to do and that game was hot poo poo from a butt Shadow Warrior 2 was very good.  But their loot system was not so good Rookersh posted:meanwhile if you hit a german tank with a faust it was all crew dead, tank in multiple pieces, all nearby nazis also dead from the explosion. Sounds like the german tanks are also good 
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 10:33
|
|
|
The question now is how does BJ compare to a tank? He is armored by the equivalent of 20 stahlhelms as evidenced by his maximum armor capacity. A 1918 stahlhelm is approximately 1 cm thick, therefore A armored BJ is equivalent to a tank with 200 mm armor plating according to Google a M4 Sherman has 76mm armor on the front glacis, putting BJ well ahead there. But what of the Nazi tanks? A Panzer IV is the most produced Nazi tank of the war, and has 80mm front armor, well behind BJ. “But TaurusTorus” I hear you say, “that’s from the ‘30’s, what about the late war tanks?” Well to answer your question, a Panzer VIII Maus, the largest Nazi tank, has 220mm front armor, edging out New Order BJ by 20mm. Notice I said New Order, in Old Blood BJ can acquire up to 125 armor or 25 stahlhelms, or 250 mm armor, handily beating the Maus. But a tank is more than its armor, it also has to kill things, and so does BJ. Let’s compare: a 76mm HVAP round from a Sherman can penetrate 178mm armor, a King Tiger’s 8.8cm gun can penetrate 238mm of armor. BJ’s armaments are more difficult to find statistics on, so let’s start with an easy one, in Wolf ‘09 BJ uses a Panzershreck, capable of penetrating 160mm armor, good but not exceptional. Luckily for BJ he has more in his arsenal, like the Lichenfaust. Now this, I’ll admit, is a bit of a stretch, but experimentally the Lichenfaust is the only weapon that can oneshot the Altered enemies, which can survive at least two Panzershreck rockets, to me that sounds like it is at least twice as good, placing BJ’s armor defeating capabilities at 320mm, besting the Tiger. Other posters have pointed out that there are logistical components to a tank’s qualities, so let’s compare reliability and mobility through harsh terrain. On the first point, Tigers had a notoriously unreliable final drive requiring constant maintenance. BJ on the other hand requires only dog food for maintenance, and is capable of operating with no logistical support, and, as is seen in New Order, can kill Nazis while unconscious, waking up running them over. As to terrain, as the Nazis discovered on the eastern front, mud is a powerful enemy to tanks, miring them, neutralizing them. BJ has never been defeated by mud, and in fact is capable of operating underwater and in space, a feature demonstrated by no tank on either side of the war. In conclusion, the Allies had the supreme tank of WWII: BJ Blazkowicz.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 11:01
|
|
|
psychoJ posted:im gonna punch the poo poo outta that machine until it breaks I'm gonna break that machine using a nazi's head.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 12:30
|
|
|
Xenomrph posted:To be fair, between the occult stuff and the super-science stuff, it was the occult stuff that almost succeeded in both Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Wolf09 - were it not for a certain Polish-American curb stomping every Nazi in a 20 mile radius, of course. SirSamVimes posted:The occult stuff may have almost succeeded, but the super-science stuff did succeed. Xenomrph posted:Sure, but Deathshead in RtCW and Wolf09 didn't know that. Deathshead in 1946 and onward had reason to be smug and talk down to his occult counterparts, Deathshead in 1944-1945 did not. To chime in on this a couple pages late, I think Wolf09 had the best melding of the science and occult. In RtCW, Strasse and Helga were working on two completely different ideas, whereas in 09, Strasse was using the occult to achieve superscience superiority. I guess the failure there is what made Strasse completely give up on the occult, but maybe how close it came in RtCW was what gave him the idea? Strasse was a good villain. I'm hoping they can make Engel as interesting. We'll see in LESS THAN A WEEK!
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 14:14
|
|
|
Humerus posted:To chime in on this a couple pages late, I think Wolf09 had the best melding of the science and occult. In RtCW, Strasse and Helga were working on two completely different ideas, whereas in 09, Strasse was using the occult to achieve superscience superiority. I guess the failure there is what made Strasse completely give up on the occult, but maybe how close it came in RtCW was what gave him the idea? I liked Engel . She was a weird but mix of genuine scary nazi menace and Elsa shewolf of the ss.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 16:30
|
|
|
TaurusTorus posted:The question now is how does BJ compare to a tank? He is armored by the equivalent of 20 stahlhelms as evidenced by his maximum armor capacity. A 1918 stahlhelm is approximately 1 cm thick, therefore A armored BJ is equivalent to a tank with 200 mm armor plating according to Google a M4 Sherman has 76mm armor on the front glacis, putting BJ well ahead there. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 18:07
|
|
|
I beat TNO last night. It's a great game overall, I really like a lot of the guns, and I'm really looking forward to TNC. Trying to decide if I'm going to get it right away or not, since I just bought Destiny 2. There was a bit more gore/body horror than I'm really comfortable with, but that's more of a personal preference/comfort level than anything. Same with the jump scares. One thing I really liked was how I never felt defeated, even when I died multiple times. There were a few sections that took me multiple tries to beat, but each time I just picked myself up, dusted myself off, and tried a new approach. The hallway in the last level with all the mech enemies was a real pain, but it was really satisfying to figure out how to beat it! I did the Wyatt timeline, but I think I missed conversation with J about race that everyone itt was talking about.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 21:20
|
|
|
Underslung rocket launchers, liberal use of grenades, and one shotting Ubersoldiers with the LKW.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 21:51
|
|
|
In a way, TNO AND TOB make you feel like BJ. You may be beaten in to the ground, but you will not, cannot rest until you've killed every single nazi rear end in a top hat in your way.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 22:15
|
|
|
I like that they just find new ways to maim, pummel and kill BJ Blaskowicz but he just keeps coming back and he has single-handedly killed more Nazis than probably the entire Allied powers combined. He's the Nazis' boogeyman. He's the Jason Voorhees of Nazi scum.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 22:24
|
|
|
TaurusTorus posted:...A 1918 stahlhelm is approximately 1 cm thick... You're way off, by like a factor of ten.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 22:59
|
|
|
If War Thunder taught me anything, a T-34 might as well be the Terror-Billy and/or  DOOM SLAYER of tanks.loving T-34s.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 23:25
|
|
|
The doomslayer is more like a Yak-9T. Fast, agile, and a big loving gun.
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 23:54
|
|
|
GUI posted:Also from the stream, in the hub area an arcade machine with Wolfenstein 3D is there and you can play seemingly the entire game. Except its called Wolfenstone 3D and you play as a Nazi Soldier/Elite Hans shooting Kreisau Circle members and fight ~~Terror Billy~~ instead of Hitler. oh my god day one purchase it is
|
|
#
?
Oct 22, 2017 23:59
|
|
|
King Vidiot posted:I like that they just find new ways to maim, pummel and kill BJ Blaskowicz but he just keeps coming back and he has single-handedly killed more Nazis than probably the entire Allied powers combined. He's the Nazis' boogeyman. He's the Jason Voorhees of Nazi scum. I was going to stick to nothing but horror games for the month of October like I usually do each year, but I'm using the same rationalization to play Wolf TNC on release day - it's still a horror game, it's just that *I* am the scary one.  
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2017 00:54
|
|
|
Xenomrph posted:I was going to stick to nothing but horror games for the month of October like I usually do each year, but I'm using the same rationalization to play Wolf TNC on release day - it's still a horror game, it's just that *I* am the scary one. same. id get evil within 2(heard its amazing) but i'll wait for Christmas.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2017 01:34
|
|
|
Living in America is a horror game at this point!
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2017 01:47
|
|
|
I'll be really sad if the plotline of BJ having kids on the way doesn't lead to a Commander Keen reboot.
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2017 03:26
|
|
|
BJ Junior BJJ I expect some Nazis getting slide tackled and their necks snapped by Junior's thighs
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2017 04:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 21, 2024 21:09 |
|
|
All I remember with difficulty in TNO is the drat bridge level and having to crank down the difficulty because those big bastards would unfailingly wreck me. What the heck was the strategy there?
|
|
#
?
Oct 23, 2017 05:33
|
|
