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PhazonLink posted:Da gently caress is a "Breitbart Embassy"? He's about my age but looks almost exactly like a dude I work with who is loving 50 years old. It's incredible. He is withered by hatred. edit: dog tax, have my good ol' pupper who was just diagnosed with vestibular disease   
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Boris Galerkin posted:Keep reading I already said I didn’t know what I was talking about on that point. I'm catching up, admittedly, friend. But good on you for admitting when you're wrong. That's honestly one of the most rare and admirable qualities these days.
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There are actually people in this thread saying I'm basically a non-person for being a "centrist" and EXCUSE me if that freaks me out. If I say "Sure! Punch Nazis!" some people are talking about punching the guy marching with a Swastika armband, and some people are talking about punching people who voted Clinton. The guys who literally mean "Punch the guys wearing swastikas" don't seem to grok that some of their comrades in arms have a pretty wide definition of "Nazi" and that worries me. Meanwhile Bannon is making fair progress in his plan to turn the USA into an ACTUAL fascist state, and you'd better believe he's just as big a Nazi as some idiotic turd wearing Third Reich cosplay, and you can't stop him by punching him like you can do with the Nazi that works at a hotdog stand.
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nobody is conflating nazis and centrists. you couldn't even grasp that i was saying centrist policy led us to our current predicament (which is true).
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JuniperCake posted:"Punch Nazis" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLufi33mnsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeB2ZaUSa48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8_niqRrrtg&t=45s
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JuniperCake posted:Both the "left" and "centrists" groups are so large and have pretty diverse viewpoints in them that trying to paint with so broad a brush is pointless. But warping their viewpoints into something that the majority of them don't believe is not helping you at all. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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source your quotes.
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BarbarianElephant posted:There are actually people in this thread saying I'm basically a non-person for being a "centrist" and EXCUSE me if that freaks me out. If I say "Sure! Punch Nazis!" some people are talking about punching the guy marching with a Swastika armband, and some people are talking about punching people who voted Clinton. The guys who literally mean "Punch the guys wearing swastikas" don't seem to grok that some of their comrades in arms have a pretty wide definition of "Nazi" and that worries me. Show one centrist who has been harmed or threatened by the roving lefty gangs, you crazy person
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End boss Of SGaG* posted:Show one centrist who has been harmed or threatened by the roving lefty gangs, you crazy person this thread is full of gangs of berniebros who want to punch clinton-voters, but only if they are women or PoC (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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End boss Of SGaG* posted:Show one centrist who has been harmed or threatened by the roving lefty gangs, you crazy person
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jordan peterson is an enormous piece of poo poo.
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ekeog posted:this thread is full of gangs of berniebros who want to punch clinton-voters, but only if they are women or PoC Citation needed
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BarbarianElephant posted:Did you miss the guy saying I'd better change my garbage politics? Some peace. Here's my perspective on Labour: - In 2015, Labour took 30% of the vote. Meanwhile, UKIP and the Tories between them took 49%. This was a complete and utter catastrophe, and the only reason it wasn't a lot worse than it was is that UKIP massively split the right-wing vote. - In 2017, UKIP's vote almost entirely collapsed due to Brexit, from 13% to 2%, and that one hope fell away. Most of them (predictably) went to the Tories, raising their share of the vote from 38% to 48%. If things had stayed stable in those two years, we would have faced absolute electoral oblivion. Instead, Labour's share of the vote increased massively to 40%, which together with the SNP was almost enough to deny the Tories a majority. - The moment when Labour plummeted from "a few points behind the Tories" to "twenty points or more behind the Tories" was when Labour responded to Brexit - the most important political event in decades - by descending into a pathetic infighting mess with an obviously-doomed leadership contest launched at the absolute worst possible time. - The moment at which Labour started its miraculous rise in the polls was when its heavily left-wing manifesto was leaked, the tabloids began attacking it, and they stood by it. The lesson I take from this if we had been united from the start, and just skipped all the infighting, we could have actually won rather than just making May regret she ever called the election. The left-wing platform helped us rather than hindering us, and so did Corbyn himself. So right now, the most important thing is just that - to stand united. I don't particularly care if someone voted for Owen Smith or not - a lot of people did that because they thought Corbyn was going to be unelectable and it was the only way to save the party, and at the time that was a reasonable belief. The only people who really piss me off are those who would rather see a right-wing Labour lose than a left-wing Labour win, or vice versa, and are willing to sabotage the party to achieve that goal. And they're very rare. Meanwhile, I think we're doing legitimately well in opposition - we've forced the Tories to tack hard to center in economic rhetoric, which is making it much easier to poke holes in their actual policies and score some tangible victories. We can't expect to stop universal credit entirely because we don't have the votes, but it does look like we're going to cut that obscene waiting period. And most importantly, we're well on track towards forcing another general election - I wouldn't expect May to last another year. All that said: NathanScottPhillips posted:Nazis are people with bad opinions usually caused by a horrible family structure, lack of education and opportunities, and poverty. You are so blinded by your own lack of empathy that you view them as "subhuman trash" only worthy of violence. In fact you specifically say that simply talking to them cannot be justified. Sometimes both sides are fascists.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Nazis are people with bad opinions usually caused by a horrible family structure, lack of education and opportunities, and poverty. You are so blinded by your own lack of empathy that you view them as "subhuman trash" only worthy of violence. In fact you specifically say that simply talking to them cannot be justified. Sometimes both sides are fascists. When you are a proud nazi, you have already given up your seat at the table of discussion and burned all your cards. Nazis have made themselves subhuman through their actions, and trash because they'd treat others as such given the least opportunity. You''re naming someone a monster for observing that. In an ideal world responsibility lies with the betters, but this is unfortunately Earth. You are describing a superhuman act of empathy, not an everyday occurance.
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Anyone advocating for genocide is subhuman, full stop. hth
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FizFashizzle posted:400gs isn’t going to cover poo poo compared to what their fees are going to be. $400k is what you spend on the legal fees for a single person under state and federal investigation, not a staff that numbers in the hundreds. Even his core group like Kushner, Miller, and his Cabinet would need at least a million each to secure legal representation to minimize the damage. Groovelord Neato posted:miller is literally two days older than me but looks ten years older. Alex Jones would have been a senior when I was in high school and that guy looks like he's on the back half of his fifties. I would still look younger than him and I went grey in my twenties.
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Koalas March posted:Anyone advocating for genocide is subhuman, full stop. hth Yet another fact.
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Koalas March posted:Anyone advocating for genocide is subhuman, full stop. hth
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Young Freud posted:Alex Jones would have been a senior when I was in high school and that guy looks like he's on the back half of his fifties. I would still look younger than him and I went grey in my twenties. It's all that lead in his nutritional supplements.
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Koalas March posted:Anyone advocating for genocide is subhuman, full stop. hth Yeah but what about peaceful genocide? Yes I'm joking.
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ekeog posted:this thread is full of gangs of berniebros who want to punch clinton-voters, but only if they are women or PoC It's full of socialists who want that. Those aren't "Bernie Bros". Bernie had a lot of main stream appeal and labeling every full-communism-now poster you see as a "Bernie Bro" is the exact kind of behavior the progressive wing of the party is pissed off about.
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 If it's good enough for Mr. Ford, it's good enough for you.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Jordan Peterson. Has anything actually happened to this turd? All I can find on Google is that he got hella mad about legislation prohibiting discrimination based on gender identity and is now trying to ride the "free speech" gravy train. In fact there's nothing about him that would lead me to believe he's a centrist at all, he sounds like a stodgy rear end conservative. Pretty telling who you're carrying water for though.
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Chilichimp posted:It's full of socialists who want that. Those aren't "Bernie Bros". Bernie had a lot of main stream appeal and labeling every full-communism-now poster you see as a "Bernie Bro" is the exact kind of behavior the progressive wing of the party is pissed off about. Several posters have said that the Berniebros are exactly the sort of filthy Centrist garbage persons they want to punch. Bernie is no longer Pure enough.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Has anything actually happened to this turd? All I can find on Google is that he got hella mad about legislation prohibiting discrimination based on gender identity and is now trying to ride the "free speech" gravy train. In fact there's nothing about him that would lead me to believe he's a centrist at all, he sounds like a stodgy rear end conservative. Pretty telling who you're carrying water for though. Last time I peeked at his twitter he was on a tirade about how diversity is incompatible with meritocracy or something. He's about as much of a "centrist" as James Damore is.
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Mustached Demon posted:When this turn into uspol? It hasn't yet, that thread scares me.
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Bernie was never pure enough, he was just the one human being in a group of reptile things.
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KickerOfMice posted:When you are a proud nazi, you have already given up your seat at the table of discussion and burned all your cards. Nazis have made themselves subhuman through their actions, and trash because they'd treat others as such given the least opportunity. You''re naming someone a monster for observing that. In an ideal world responsibility lies with the betters, but this is unfortunately Earth. You are describing a superhuman act of empathy, not an everyday occurance. NathanScottPhillips fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:People say Hand Maids tale and many say it is exaggerating...that article should silence them. Jesus christ that is terrifying. We watched this just a couple months ago and I was actually kind of horrified. I felt like we were living through the beginning of the movement that turns everything upside down on the show. The book is even more terrifying.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Has anything actually happened to this turd? All I can find on Google is that he got hella mad about legislation prohibiting discrimination based on gender identity and is now trying to ride the "free speech" gravy train. In fact there's nothing about him that would lead me to believe he's a centrist at all, he sounds like a stodgy rear end conservative. Pretty telling who you're carrying water for though. I love how a lefty liberal from a lefty liberal college is now "a stodgy rear end conservative." Can't make this stuff up.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Nazis are people with bad opinions usually caused by a horrible family structure, lack of education and opportunities, and poverty. You are so blinded by your own lack of empathy that you view them as "subhuman trash" only worthy of violence. In fact you specifically say that simply talking to them cannot be justified. Sometimes both sides are fascists. A serial killer is also, generally, a person who has had a poor upbringing. You can be sure as poo poo I'd cold cock one if you ever put me in the room with them, empathy be damned. Someone who embraces nazism is embracing an ideology of mass-genocide. This isn't like racism where you can argue the person is just stupid and ill informed, there isn't a person on the face of the loving planet who doesn't know what the nazis did, or what they stand for. There are illiterate farmers in tibet who would be like "Dude, even I know the nazis are loving bad." To be a nazi in ttyol 2017 involves a willful choice to propagate hate speech and call for genocide. Even the little bitch nazis who tear off their swastikas when antifa starts calling them out on their poo poo will admit that they know that being out there in support of nazism is to support calls for genocide. And it is crucial to remember that this isn't some theoretical. If these fucks ever gained power in the United States, you can be drat loving sure that they would be trying to push their version of the Final Solution, one that would almost certainly target african americans. You are literally making an argument that people are being intolerant by not engaging in dialogue with people who would happily push them into a loving gas chamber when given the chance. Sucker punch every loving Nazi you see, and keep punching until they see the error of their ways or their brain is a fine paste.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:No, he's spoken against a law which would have outlawed biology science as it sought to, legally, remove distinctions between male and female. this is not what the law did lmao
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NathanScottPhillips posted:No, people are born into families with idiot parents who had a lifetime of bad decisions and have no choice in what they are taught and often in poverty. Obviously pushing blame outward and using race are things that poor and uneducated people so, since forever. The only way to fix these people is with speech and compassion. Humanity learned this already a couple times over, guess we're do for another go. I agree with your idealistic view. Your calling people names because their moral wants do match yours is a bit shoddy. Not everyone can be held to that standard and I think we're all talking about two different things and lumping it together. A child who learned this from their parents/community is a saveable mind, and I would strive to help. LifeAfterHate does a fantastic job of this. quote:OUR STORY An adult who is a proud nazi who has constructed their identity around this twisted prison of lies that they locked themselves into, I could give less that a good god drat about. KM is right. Koalas March posted:Anyone advocating for genocide is subhuman, full stop. hth  e- I mean you're asking people to empathize with people who call for the unspeakable. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Caros posted:A serial killer is also, generally, a person who has had a poor upbringing. You can be sure as poo poo I'd cold cock one if you ever put me in the room with them, empathy be damned. Seriously, everyone, human, deserves empathy. Even serial killers. Even Hitler. This is the liberal position. Hope this helps. If you can't empathize with the worst humanity has to offer, how can you prevent others from being drawn into it?
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Groovelord Neato posted:this is not what the law did lmao But how can we study medieval history if we can't carry swords and loot the townspeople?
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Nazis are people with bad opinions usually caused by a horrible family structure, lack of education and opportunities, and poverty. You are so blinded by your own lack of empathy that you view them as "subhuman trash" only worthy of violence. In fact you specifically say that simply talking to them cannot be justified. Sometimes both sides are fascists. I never said Nazi's were subhuman, I said they see others as subhuman. I also said you cannot reason with their position. There is no way to argue with someone who thinks you are not a person and should die. It's not about what one is worthy of, it's about defending people's rights to live and not be the subject of loving genocide. In the case of Dylann Roof, people knew his views while in highschool and teachers took great effort to set him aside and talk to him and try to set him on the correct path. Look up the accounts from teachers at his school if you don't believe me. Given that he shot up a loving church and killed lots of people, talking did squat to prevent a brutal atrocity. Once this stuff gets entrenched, you can't just "fix it" with the right argument. And you are absolutely arguing in bad faith if you suggest that it is, or are extremely naive. Violence is bad but not all violence is the same. Defending yourself is not the same as cold-blooded murder. Using violence as a deterrent of last resort isn't on the same level as openly promoting genocide. Wanting to protect yourself does not make you a monster. Hell if you are on the right politically this is something you should agree with as a basic necessity since they've long argued the merits of self-defense. More and more the left has adopted it and it's a sensible position given circumstances. If your life is in danger, taking steps to protect yourself does not make you the same as the person who loving wants to kill you. A nazi might change, they might not, but in the mean time people still have a right to not be loving murdered just for existing. Also not everyone who is a Nazi is there because of a bad background, there are wealthy and privileged Nazis as well. Also a lot of people have had a hard time growing up, yet the vast majority of them don't become Nazi's. And minorities who have a hard time growing up, have to deal with those same issues plus Nazis who are advocating their extermination. So get the gently caress out with that line of thinking that Nazis are just helpless victims who don't know any better. By the way, I agree that if people had better access to basic services like healthcare, food, shelter, and education we'd see far less social ills including less extremists. It's not a panacea but it would do a lot of good for a lot. That's kind of a big thing in left-leaning circles by the way, I'm not sure why you say it as if it's something that has never been considered.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:Feel the hate flow through you. Nah, Hitler doesn’t deserve empathy.
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NathanScottPhillips posted:No, he's spoken against a law which would have outlawed biology science as it sought to, legally, remove distinctions between male and female. The hell are you smoking? He's a lefty liberal college professor who is hella mad about feminism, cultural appropriation, white privilege, and postmodernism. Maybe he was a liberal in the 60s but weirdly society has moved on from loving Freud of all people and he sure as hell hasn't. Have some Jordan Peterson on feminism: quote:There is an essential feminine pathology, just as there is an essential masculine pathology. And the essential feminine pathology Freud mapped out, it's the Oedipal mother. And the Oedipal mother is the mother who gets too close to her children, and intermingles herself with them to too great a degree. That in her attempts to protect them undermines them, fatally." Also please expound on how C-16 would outlaw biology science 
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KickerOfMice posted:I agree with your idealistic view. Your calling people names because their moral wants do match yours is a bit shoddy. Not everyone can be held to that standard and I think we're all talking about two different things and lumping it together.
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