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goose willis posted:How decent are these boys as Valhallans? Not decent enough for adepticon
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They ran a tournament both days this weekend depending on who likes playing on different days, I hear the winner tonight was an admech list with cawl and a bunch of knights, not sure of the details
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JoshTheStampede posted:Similarly, without commisars that actually work well on them, I can't see any reason to take conscripts over Infantry squads at all. They hit on 5s, waste half your orders, and will get morale'd off the table quickly. That's kind of the point, isn't it? That you'd probably, in most cases, rather have line infantry?
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Oct 23, 2017 02:21
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Liquid Communism posted:That's kind of the point, isn't it? That you'd probably, in most cases, rather have line infantry? I tend to not want codexes with never-take options in them. Maybe that is just me.
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Oct 23, 2017 02:24
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JoshTheStampede posted:I tend to not want codexes with never-take options in them. Maybe that is just me. It's not a never-take option. It's just no longer an auto-include, in a codex with a lot of really strong options.
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Oct 23, 2017 02:27
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Conscripts seem like they're still plenty useful for trapping your opponents in cc by wrapping around them. There is always going to be a use for more bodies. If anything, this change makes standard Guard Infantry less of a trap choice, by nerfing their primary competitor.
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Oct 23, 2017 02:29
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Liquid Communism posted:It's not a never-take option. It's just no longer an auto-include, in a codex with a lot of really strong options. autoincludes are as bad as nevertakes when it comes to game design hth
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Oct 23, 2017 02:32
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LordAba posted:Everyone says "beer and chips" game, then whip out the laser pointer and measure each loving nano-meter during combat to squeeze out every last bit of movement. Fiddly and annoying. Honestly, the fiddliness of pile-ins and consolidations is my least favorite part of the game. I wouldn't mind if it was just a straight up 3 inch move, rather than the current rather absurd state it's in.
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Oct 23, 2017 02:43
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Could have done move stats +d6. For terminators thats still asking for a 4+ on 1 d6. But god forbid supposedly fast things with jet packs strapped to them get into shocking melee engagements. Before the enemy shuffles off an they get shot down. Also suffering through overwatch with potentially auto hit guns.
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The Bee posted:Honestly, the fiddliness of pile-ins and consolidations is my least favorite part of the game. I wouldn't mind if it was just a straight up 3 inch move, rather than the current rather absurd state it's in. This is basically how everyone I know plays, with the caveat that we all agree not to do pile-ins if your model is already in contact with an enemy model. Otherwise go nuts, measuring 1/16ths of an inch is dumb and bad.
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Oct 23, 2017 02:53
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The people who need to measure every single thing with utmost precision are the people you do not want to play with
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Corrode posted:Sure, which explains why so many people who don't play optimally or ever have an intention of winning the thing or at least placing highly take part. I guess when I say "casual" I really mean the CAAC types who profess to hate tournaments, who obsess over what things are OP and why taking X option makes you a bad person. It seems like they'd be much happier with a different type of gaming, but they seem more interested in making sure no one else gets to play in a way they dislike. Look dawg, I played the narrative tourney and nobody brought a bullhit list. Admech pklayer skipped Cawl. Primaris player skipped Bobby. Guard was optimal, Traitor Guard was slightly less so. I didn't see an actual character. Git gud [at registration]
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Be lovely to one another.
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StuG Jeebus posted:In it's latest edition Warmachine just dumped break tests completely, and literally no one misses it. 
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:autoincludes are as bad as nevertakes when it comes to game design hth So...you agree with him that the change is good?
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If I can ask a more general question, how would 8th edition play in casual 3 to 4 player battles with around 500 points per side? My friends are getting really in to the fluff, and Im wondering if the current rules would make for fun multiplayer games at small points levels.
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Booyah- posted:If I can ask a more general question, how would this game play in casual 3 to 4 player battles with around 500 points per side? My friends are getting really in to the fluff, and Im wondering if the current rules would make for fun multiplayer games at small points levels. The Start Collecting boxes are all roughly 500 points, give or take so it'd probably make a decent skirmish game to let beginners dip their toes.
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Oct 23, 2017 05:23
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RagnarokAngel posted:The Start Collecting boxes are all roughly 500 points, give or take so it'd probably make a decent skirmish game to let beginners dip their toes. Do you think there's enough interesting tactical decisions at that level though? That's mainly my concern because I doubt our armies would grow beyond a starting box or two.
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I think you wanna try and do 1000 if you wanna get to anything interesting but I think everyone's going to have different ideas of what "interesting" means. If you want to do small scale games like that and are worried about tactical limitations, Heralds of Ruin might be a good choice. http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.com/p/kill-team-rules.html It's a "kill team" game with a fan ruleset a bit better suited to small scale skirmishes. Just note you are going to need a lot of terrain for it to work.
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Do you think the Avatar of Khaine is worth 250 points? He got a lot of indirect buffs, including the new psychic power Quicken from the Runes of Battle. I have a "new" unassembled metal one and I'm thinking about running him in a list.
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I think that all the 8th ed rule changes have been cool and good! I think that the 8th ed rules in general are cool and good. The change to conscripts is totally merited and means that they have a much more clearly defined role: Meatshields and objective campers, which can be situationally greatly improved with leader buffs. After any nerf, every community ever falls over themselves to never use the nerfed unit again. It's usually a mistake; a lot of the time the unit just clicks into a different role. If you need to spread out a couple of conscript conga lines to deny deep strikes, catch charges, and cover objectives in bodies they're still eminently serviceable for their price. You don't even need to give them commissar backup to have them fulfill those roles! A squad of 20 is like 60 points and can survive two turns of ten non-rapid fire marine shooting easily which is an entirely valid thing to spend 60 points on.
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New day, new pretentious Dakka wankerquote:I think that as something goes from a niche market, to the broader appeal that GW has been experiencing, they can bring more people into the "game" by simplifying the hobby aspect. And as someone who got into the game because of the lore & the hobby, the game is just slowly dieing to me.
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Oct 23, 2017 07:08
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Hixson posted:Not decent enough for adepticon Valhallans aren't a FW army.
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Corrode posted:New day, new pretentious Dakka wanker More proof that 'true-scalers' are insufferable twats. We should forward some of this poo poo to Duke Amiel du Hardcore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr80dducu80
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Corrode posted:New day, new pretentious Dakka wanker Beyond the general tone, or the bizarrely self centred and negative conclusion that bigger space marines were produced to punish a statistically insignificant few converters rather than filling the same need they were converting for (better scaled marines) . . . why is game in air quotes? Is it not a game?
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mango sentinel posted:Valhallans aren't a FW army. Even then, I haven't read the IG Codex, aren't the DKoK in there now, too?
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:More proof that 'true-scalers' are insufferable twats. We should forward some of this poo poo to Duke Amiel du Hardcore. Well this is a badcast segment waiting to happen. Postian Von Highlordington reads forums so we plebs don't have to.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Beyond the general tone, or the bizarrely self centred and negative conclusion that bigger space marines were produced to punish a statistically insignificant few converters rather than filling the same need they were converting for (better scaled marines) . . . why is game in air quotes? Is it not a game? IT'S A LIFESTYLE, PUP!
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RagnarokAngel posted:I think you wanna try and do 1000 if you wanna get to anything interesting but I think everyone's going to have different ideas of what "interesting" means. Cool, I think if they like First Strike (which is mostly just enough models to push some plastic and roll dice) I will pick up Know No Fear. I don't really need the hardback book so Know No Fear looks like the better deal to get closer to 700 points per side or so. My own army preference is ad mech and I have the start collecting box that was planning to paint up regardless. I may try to get that to ~700 points or so to match up.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Beyond the general tone, or the bizarrely self centred and negative conclusion that bigger space marines were produced to punish a statistically insignificant few converters rather than filling the same need they were converting for (better scaled marines) . . . why is game in air quotes? Is it not a game? The thread it comes from is full of hilariously bitter gatekeeping. They really resent GW for making models to sell and trying to match up what they sell with what you can take in the game, because it was obviously much better when there was stuff that only "true hobbyists" could access by converting. Also, since the awful profit whores at GW have made models people want to buy, converting is totally dead, because if you aren't required to convert by necessity just to get half the options for a unit, then no-one will ever do conversions again. Basically a bunch of people with no imagination who converted because they had to can't get to grips with the idea that people who actually care about conversions and making cool stuff will do that regardless of whatever GW makes (and probably benefit from a wider variety of stuff to work with), rather than because they're forced to.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:IT'S A LIFESTYLE, PUP! 
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Quiet, you! Corrode posted:The thread it comes from is full of hilariously bitter gatekeeping. They really resent GW for making models to sell and trying to match up what they sell with what you can take in the game, because it was obviously much better when there was stuff that only "true hobbyists" could access by converting. Also, since the awful profit whores at GW have made models people want to buy, converting is totally dead, because if you aren't required to convert by necessity just to get half the options for a unit, then no-one will ever do conversions again. What seems odd is that I'm sure the really talented converters who have their own blogs and do exciting total conversion armies aren't the same guys. It's possible, but generally when I look at those the author is all enthusiasm for the latest kit release that has some new shotguns or pouches or whatever. I don't think some of these guys do much painting/playing/converting at all, just sit on piles of unpainted retro models and sneer online.
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Genghis Cohen posted:Quiet, you! Yeah the people doing cool interesting things generally have no interest or inclination to spend time on forums whining about how their fun is ruined because new toys mean you don't have to spend six hours per model marginally enlarging a Space Marine any more. They're too busy coming up with new poo poo they can do with the new tools available. Like at the same time that Dakkaites are frothing about how converting is dead, the Iron Sleet guys are running the Thorn Moons Invitational which is spawning tons of awesome, weird stuff.
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Corrode posted:Yeah the people doing cool interesting things generally have no interest or inclination to spend time on forums whining about how their fun is ruined because new toys mean you don't have to spend six hours per model marginally enlarging a Space Marine any more. They're too busy coming up with new poo poo they can do with the new tools available. How the gently caress did they come to that conclusion as a group? All the new evil monopose plastics are subdivided to such an extent that it's basically a sprue of individual details. My first thought building the apothecary was how easy it'd be to build all this poo poo onto an intercessor and make a cqb knife and pistol apothecary.
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Insular forums like that just continue to breed anger because they push out any new blood trying to come in. So its just grumpy neckbeards sitting in a dark room griping about when the game jumped the shark.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Insular forums like that just continue to breed anger because they push out any new blood trying to come in. So its just grumpy neckbeards sitting in a dark room griping about when the game jumped the shark. But enough about Something Awful!
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Oct 23, 2017 11:19
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RagnarokAngel posted:Insular forums like that just continue to breed anger because they push out any new blood trying to come in. So its just grumpy neckbeards sitting in a dark room griping about when the game jumped the shark. This is why the Warhammer Community site was such a good idea from GW. Because, until then, the way anyone got news about upcoming stuff was having to wade into those septic tanks of forums.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Insular forums like that just continue to breed anger because they push out any new blood trying to come in. So its just grumpy neckbeards sitting in a dark room griping about when the game jumped the shark. Honestly, the best part of GW's new online strategy is not having to sift through shitholes like Dakka to find tidbits on new releases. The second best part is dropping by Dakka to troll guard players when their horribly broken rules are fixed within weeks of release.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:More proof that 'true-scalers' are insufferable twats. We should forward some of this poo poo to Duke Amiel du Hardcore. Chiwie posted:Well this is a badcast segment waiting to happen. Postian Von Highlordington reads forums so we plebs don't have to. to both of these.
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