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Took this opportunity to overhaul the OP a bit. From now until the release of Nocturne, I've got links to the Previews posted at the very very top for quick access. I've also added links to the BoardGameGeek pages and Secret History articles for every expansion.
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The Nocturne set icon is gold, that means the cards are rare.
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Oct 23, 2017 12:58
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Yeah, the offcolor icon is messing with me a little bit. Also, Bonus Preview #1 is up!
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Oct 23, 2017 13:13
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Jabor posted:I'm confused, because the card names frequently tell you quite a lot about the card. You haven't noticed the stuff like "cards named Village generally give you two actions"? I think you're confused because you didn't read carefully. I said that cards names give little or no information. Familiarity with the game can tell you that "Village" means actions, witch-and-witch-synonyms mean Curses, and real estate means Victory cards. Perhaps I've been missing some key information, though: please explain how the card names frequently tell you quite a lot about the card.
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Oct 23, 2017 14:03
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I'm actually not super into the set so far, but I'm going to have to play with the cards to say for sure.
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Oct 23, 2017 14:31
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sector_corrector posted:I'm actually not super into the set so far, but I'm going to have to play with the cards to say for sure. Well, the good news is that you can try them out this afternoon!
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Oct 23, 2017 14:32
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I'm pretty new to Dominion, with just the base set and seaside, and I'm already pretty intrigued by the Night phase and the preview cards. The complexity seems pretty minimal so far, really interested to see what else the expansion holds. I'd love to play around with Devil's Workshop or Ghost Town. Although I'm still hoping I can get ahold of Cornucopia/Guilds at some point first...
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Oct 23, 2017 14:52
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Night is a cool mechanic. I was honestly stumped how they were going to be different from durations so it's interesting to see a lot of them are durations as well, and they all have simple ways they interact with your turn that would make them impossible/trickier to do during the regular phases. Art nitpick - I wish the border on Night/Durations were more evenly split between the colors or else favored the Night aspect, I like the new color and I doubt we will see more of it, while we have a ton of durations. Also psyched they've continued to do so many, and that they're previewing them on Dominion Online. By end of the week they'll be a decent variety of cards to cycle through. Really intrigued to see what the deal with the other mechanics will be, particularly Heirlooms. And what the other two themes will be - they only mentioned the Night phase, the Heirlooms, and the Hexes/Boons in the game description.
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Oct 23, 2017 15:16
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Nocturne previews are up on https://dominion.games. Who wants to have a try?
jivjov fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Oct 23, 2017 18:17
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Cards are hella fun. I think I misunderstood Imp at first and thought it was more akin to Herald/Vassal where you needed to play from the cards you drew, which in retrospect makes no sense. It instead is like a weaker lab that encourages you to have a variety of cards, especially cantrips and such to keep the chain going. Paired with Devil's Workshop it's really nice because you can gain those 3-4$ cantrips and early golds for payload. Also totally interesting to see these interact with other cards. i hosed up one game by getting a few City Quarters which of course didn't give a poo poo about my Night cards, and I just played with an opponent who kept shuffling out his Nights with Wandering Minstrels. Ghost Town is fun but especially great as a second buy on like an 11 or whatever; didn't get to setup any cool "top of deck" combos yet but I feel like it would be great for that. Crypt I found a little hard to use, the one time I stored a bunch of silvers I just ended up with crap the next few turns. Raider is super rad, I played it in a game with Swap Hag and Storyteller and would start turns with 9 coins then just use them to draw my deck and play more Raiders/SHs for next turn.
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Oct 23, 2017 20:51
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Is Imp a card like Rats, where it's possible to accidentally, automatically, fill your deck with a card that doesn't synergize well? And will wreck your day absent a way to trash it?
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Oct 23, 2017 20:57
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sector_corrector posted:Is Imp a card like Rats, where it's possible to accidentally, automatically, fill your deck with a card that doesn't synergize well? And will wreck your day absent a way to trash it? Nah, only if you are really not paying attention. You can choose to just stop gaining them with Devil's Workshop, you just need to be careful not to overload on those more than anything, since if you play multiple DW's the same turn you gain Imps after your second card gained. If you're overloaded with Imps, just don't play those last DWs. I think worst case scenario with Imps is you'd have a bunch of Imps and a bunch of terminals and you'd be able to play 1 Imp then 1 terminal. The nice thing is you can't draw Nights dead so that helps avoid a totally dead hand as well, and you can always start gaining silvers or golds with DW if your deck is really crappy. I think you'd have to work really hard to get to that point tho.
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Oct 23, 2017 21:07
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I want to see how reactions interact with Night phase, and how many more stupid and exotic ways I can make Tunnels explode into Gold.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:34
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I really wish Night cards were actions, or at least cost actions (the former might cause rules trouble).
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Oct 24, 2017 06:08
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More previews: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17770.0 Warning: furry.
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Oct 24, 2017 09:22
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Well, that accounts for another 42 cards in the set just for Heirlooms. 6 each of 7 heirlooms.
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Oct 24, 2017 10:09
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jivjov posted:Well, that accounts for another 42 cards in the set just for Heirlooms. 6 each of 7 heirlooms. Plus 6 Ghosts.
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Oct 24, 2017 12:15
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Everything still feels pretty straightforward and elegant. If this continues I might be tempted to get Nocturne before some of the older expansions I'm missing.
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Oct 24, 2017 12:24
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YES YES SHEPHERD GIVE ME MORE WAYS TO gently caress UP THESE TUNNELS
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Oct 24, 2017 12:43
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And there's the first example of a "Cursed" card that--crazy as this sounds--involves Curses! My guess for Cursed Village: +1 Card +2 Actions, gain a Curse for every empty pile.
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Oct 24, 2017 13:15
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Puts paid to someone's hope for a starting hand of entirely expansion cards though, unless you just decide to throw in Shelters anyway, which is your right.
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Oct 24, 2017 13:24
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jivjov posted:Nocturne previews are up on https://dominion.games. Who wants to have a try? How do you access them? I was going to try Nocturne in a bot game but it didn't show up in my choices. Do I have to buy it first?
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Oct 24, 2017 13:46
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Well that solves the issue of seven unique copper replacements needing to get dealt out at the beginning of a game. But yea it is a slight bummer you would need those seven actions to get a completely heirloom starting deck. Then if you wanted to have something that cared about variety like Fairgrounds, you're nearly at a full kingdom. Could still be fun tho. Also lol if wolf den was in play you'd start with negative 30 points. CaptainRightful posted:And there's the first example of a "Cursed" card that--crazy as this sounds--involves Curses! That would need to cost less than 3 to be worth it since it's strictly worse than village, but might not even come into play since piles might not empty at all or would late game (and often does because the curse pile itself is already out). When you're bragging about being right you gotta stick the landing mate. I think the obvious comparison of Cursed Gold would make it something like a more powerful "village with a bonus" that either cursed you when you played it, or a regularish (but still better or cheaper) village that comes with a curse the first time you buy it. Guy A. Person fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Oct 24, 2017 14:00
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Lorini posted:How do you access them? I was going to try Nocturne in a bot game but it didn't show up in my choices. Do I have to buy it first? You have to go into advanced table options and check the "Nocturne preview" option. I've done it in matchmaking and games against friends, not sure if it's any different for bot games.
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jivjov posted:You have to go into advanced table options and check the "Nocturne preview" option. I've done it in matchmaking and games against friends, not sure if it's any different for bot games. Looks like the preview is only available in Automatch and not for a bot game, which is kind of odd but I suppose they want extra time to program the AI to know what to do with these cards.
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Oct 24, 2017 14:06
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Guy A. Person posted:Looks like the preview is only available in Automatch and not for a bot game, which is kind of odd but I suppose they want extra time to program the AI to know what to do with these cards. You can use it in bot games as well, just create a table and add the bot. The AI doesn't know what to do with anything else, why should these be different?
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Oct 24, 2017 14:22
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With the next bonus preview...we FINALLY have our blue dog
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jivjov posted:With the next bonus preview...we FINALLY have our blue dog nice link for context there Such a good 
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Oct 24, 2017 14:45
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Lorini posted:How do you access them? I was going to try Nocturne in a bot game but it didn't show up in my choices. Do I have to buy it first? Just click the "Nocturne cards" box in advanced options. Seems Nocturne games are automatically unrated, which is cool.
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Guy A. Person posted:That would need to cost less than 3 to be worth it since it's strictly worse than village, but might not even come into play since piles might not empty at all or would late game (and often does because the curse pile itself is already out). When you're bragging about being right you gotta stick the landing mate. OK, what I said originally, but with +2 coin or something like that. I just think it would be interesting to have an engine facilitator come with a late-game risk.
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Oct 24, 2017 14:55
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loling at the guy earlier who thought it was ridiculous that Cursed X would involve Curses, and then said that naming conventions don't mean anything in Dominion.
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Oct 24, 2017 18:24
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In general, I like Heirlooms a lot more than Night cards. Shelters are one of my favorite mechanics in the game, so anything that swaps out more starting cards is welcome.
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Oct 24, 2017 18:25
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Also, with Castles, Knights, Tournament, Ruins, Shelters and Heirloom cards, you can get a completely insane scoring Fairgrounds. Has anyone ever calculated max points from a single FG? edit: Leaving out Black Market, since that's sort of a gimme. sector_corrector fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Oct 24, 2017 18:29
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Archenteron posted:nice link for context there That good, good dog is going to be hilarious in combo decks that require you to discard cards
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Oct 24, 2017 18:47
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sector_corrector posted:Also, with Castles, Knights, Tournament, Ruins, Shelters and Heirloom cards, you can get a completely insane scoring Fairgrounds. Has anyone ever calculated max points from a single FG? Heirlooms don't meaningfully increase the point scoring for Fairgrounds. Your max non-BM is already something like
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deadwing posted:That good, good dog is going to be hilarious in combo decks that require you to discard cards He's an old dog. Not very good defending against attacks, but great at playing fetch (discard combos).
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Oct 24, 2017 19:14
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Toshimo posted:Heirlooms don't meaningfully increase the point scoring for Fairgrounds. You can't legally generate Platinum / Colony with that set-up, can you? There are no Prosperity cards. Regardless, the Shelter start condition would give you an additional card (and also be possible due to Marauders). The highest Heirloom we've seen would be better than any split pile, since it would have 3 uniques instead of 2 (not sure if that's enough to tip the balance for another point in Fairgrounds). I forgot about Young Witch with a split pile as the Bane, which is effectively 3 unique cards. A Young Witch with a 3 card Heirloom as its Bane would effectively give you four unique cards, but so far that isn't possible since Cemetery costs 4.
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Oct 24, 2017 19:28
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sector_corrector posted:You can't legally generate Platinum / Colony with that set-up, can you? There are no Prosperity cards. There's no official rule for putting in platinum/colony, the thing in the manual about doing it based on proportion of prosperity cards is only a suggestion.
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Oct 24, 2017 19:33
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taser rates posted:There's no official rule for putting in platinum/colony, the thing in the manual about doing it based on proportion of prosperity cards is only a suggestion. Ah. In that case it seems like your max for Fairgrounds is something like this (not counting Black Market): Base Cards (Province, Duchy, Estate, Copper, Silver, Gold, Curse), 7 Unique Prosperity Cards (Colony and Platinum), 2 Unique Shelters (3 Unique) 1. Young Witch, 1 Unique >>Page as the Bane, 5 Unique 2. Castles, 8 Unique 3. Knights, 10 Unique 4. Death Cart, 1 Unique >>Ruins, 5 Unique 5. Tournament, 1 Unique >>Prizes, 5 Unique 6. Peasant, 5 Unique 7. Cemetery, 3 Unique 8. Any Split, 2 Unique 9. Any Split, 2 Unique 10. Fairgrounds Which is 61, unless I did the math wrong or missed something.
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Marauder over Death Cart because Spoils.
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