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cheetah7071 posted:Isn't Ar Tonelico's explanation of magic that Reyvateils are the only ones with admin privileges to the giant computer they live on and there's console commands to summon fireballs I think its almost harder to find fantasy game settings where there aren't some random scifi elements. Its a really common thing in Final Fantasy to have robots, or have dungeons that are literally space ships. We already talked about most of the Tales series and Wild Arms, and there's also Phantasy Star, Lunar, Warcraft, Divinity, Might and Magic, Age of Wonders, Wizardry, Ultima, Etrian Odyssey, The Last Remnant etc that have random scifi stuff thrown in to a greater or lesser degree off the top of my head.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:07
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I'm gonna buy SO4 so the only one I don't have on my PS4 is the first game.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:07
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I think one of the King's Field games, when you got to the very bottom of the dungeon it turned into sci-fi computers and stuff, that's cool, they should have done that in one of the Souls games.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:09
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Zore posted:I think its almost harder to find fantasy game settings where there aren't some random scifi elements. Its a really common thing in Final Fantasy to have robots, or have dungeons that are literally space ships. We already talked about most of the Tales series and Wild Arms, and there's also Phantasy Star, Lunar, Warcraft, Divinity, Might and Magic, Age of Wonders, Wizardry, Ultima etc that have random scifi stuff thrown in to a greater or lesser degree off the top of my head. Yeah you might be right that there's more with sci-fi elements than without. It's not universal though, off the top of my head Fire Emblem, Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, and Valkyrie Profile stay strictly fantasy. Well I guess you could argue the dwarven stuff is sci-fi in Elder Scrolls but it never felt like that to me.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:10
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Even stuff that stays strictly fantasy brings in some sci-fi ideas and concepts. Like FE7 dealing a lot with artificial humans and traveling to an alternate dimension and stuff. sci-fi and fantasy are heavily intertwined genres in a lot of ways and JRPGs, especially, aren't exactly sticklers for making sure the wires don't cross.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:14
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Zore posted:I think its almost harder to find fantasy game settings where there aren't some random scifi elements. Its a really common thing in Final Fantasy to have robots, or have dungeons that are literally space ships. We already talked about most of the Tales series and Wild Arms, and there's also Phantasy Star, Lunar, Warcraft, Divinity, Might and Magic, Age of Wonders, Wizardry, Ultima, Etrian Odyssey, The Last Remnant etc that have random scifi stuff thrown in to a greater or lesser degree off the top of my head. "Are there robots or not" is a less useful question than "how much technology and what level." Final Fantasy 4 is mostly medieval with limited airships, and a few conspicuous elements of extremely high technology (a robot, a moon city). Same with Tales of Phantasia, which has a magical cannon (which in practice looks more occult than spacey) and a single abandoned Star Trek city. That's different from FF8, where futuristic technology is everywhere, or a Star Ocean game where space-age tech is at least nominally normal for some characters.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:15
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Soft sci-fi has never been different from fantasy in anything but aesthetics anyways
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Oct 23, 2017 22:15
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Yeah, its kind of a weird quirk where in most media Fantasy and Scifi are very distinct genres that do not overlap outside of some very notable exceptions (Star Wars being the big one) but video games really tend to mix them together a lot. A lot of that, especially on the JRPG side, probably has to do with how influential Wizardry was and all its weird late-game scifi stuff.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:17
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cheetah7071 posted:Soft sci-fi has never been different from fantasy in anything but aesthetics anyways It's at least thematically different in that technology is completely built and controlled while magic stuff usually has some kind of black box element, like a core crystal or special energy or whatever, even if it basically works like a machine.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:17
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Zore posted:Yeah, its kind of a weird quirk where in most media Fantasy and Scifi are very distinct genres that do not overlap outside of some very notable exceptions (Star Wars being the big one) but video games really tend to mix them together a lot. video games are also much longer than any other medium, so there's more need for escalation and variety, so going from wizards and swords to fighting a giant robot is a pretty easy way of doing that.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:21
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Endorph posted:the wild arms writer went on to make an anime where the villain of the first season is a time-traveling, ancient wizard who made the tower of babel and was reincarnated into confucius, julius caesar, and john f. kennedy and wants to recreate the tower of babel in order to blow up the moon, because alien lizardpeople live there Wait, the Wild Arms writer wrote Symphogear? That's great. Also the reasoning for blowing up the moon is actually even crazier than that, it's because the moon is actually some sort of cursed godly supercomputer that is the cause of the language curse that god put on humanity after the whole tower of babel incident. And she wants to do this because she like, actually loves god. As in, romantically. Unless there are TWO animes about time traveling reincarnating ancient wizards who want to rebuild the tower of babel to blow up the moon. Which is, to be honest, not an impossibility.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:23
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akifumi kaneko owns bones
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Oct 23, 2017 22:24
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Anyway fantasy games should continue to have robots but they should be fluffed as magic instead of technology
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Oct 23, 2017 22:26
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cheetah7071 posted:Anyway fantasy games should continue to have robots but they should be fluffed as magic instead of technology Those are Golems.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:27
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ImpAtom posted:Those are Golems. yeah golems that look like beep boop robots rule
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Oct 23, 2017 22:28
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 i think you just used this thing to blow up a rock or something
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Oct 23, 2017 22:32
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GulagDolls posted:
You drop it in a volcano so the lava overflows and builds a path you can cross.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:37
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is the character on the right Fox McCloud because it looks like him
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Oct 23, 2017 22:38
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He is named Bo because he uses a Bow.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:40
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Oct 23, 2017 22:40
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Electric Phantasm posted:For those of you who don't know the SMT game for the Switch is SMTV I've got a good feeling about RPGs on the Switch.  ...or will once SE announced DQXI's getting a Switch version, and when. Zore posted:I think its almost harder to find fantasy game settings where there aren't some random scifi elements. Its a really common thing in Final Fantasy to have robots, or have dungeons that are literally space ships. We already talked about most of the Tales series and Wild Arms, and there's also Phantasy Star, Lunar, Warcraft, Divinity, Might and Magic, Age of Wonders, Wizardry, Ultima, Etrian Odyssey, The Last Remnant etc that have random scifi stuff thrown in to a greater or lesser degree off the top of my head. Ancient highly advanced civilizations are a more common Fantasy trope than probably magic or elves. It's much harder to list series that don't have it in some way. More often than not, Fantasy is a post-apocalyptic setting of some kind. Even LotR had this (which is probably why so many fantasy settings do too). Phantasium posted:You drop it in a volcano so the lava overflows and builds a path you can cross. It drops itself in a volcano. Because it's sentient and knows how dangerous a weapon it is. 
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Oct 23, 2017 22:42
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God, I love Breath of Fire.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:43
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I think this is my favorite Ar Tornelco song because it's just dueling If Then statements.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:47
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GulagDolls posted:i think every single wild arms game is actually about aliens 4 is NANOMACHINES and the final boss is a nanomachine cluster clone of Jude's dad, that's something.
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Oct 23, 2017 23:03
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has anyone played this nocturne romhack? http://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3299/
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Oct 23, 2017 23:42
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Zore posted:So is Symphonia considering the literal space ship, the dimension-hopping hoverbikes and all the genetic modification and supercomputers. Only the final Dungeon of Symphonia is really sci-fi So yeah I guess you're right it's basically the same
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Infinity Gaia posted:Wait, the Wild Arms writer wrote Symphogear? That's great. Also the reasoning for blowing up the moon is actually even crazier than that, it's because the moon is actually some sort of cursed godly supercomputer that is the cause of the language curse that god put on humanity after the whole tower of babel incident. And she wants to do this because she like, actually loves god. As in, romantically.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:07
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Phantasium posted:God, I love Breath of Fire. A shame what happened to it. I wishthere were more jrpgs with nonhuman party members with fun field skills (not counting pokemon or similar summoning based games where they aren't actual characters). If the world needs saving let some reps from all of its people in.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:16
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Endorph posted:the wild arms writer went on to make an anime where the villain of the first season is a time-traveling, ancient wizard who made the tower of babel and was reincarnated into confucius, julius caesar, and john f. kennedy and wants to recreate the tower of babel in order to blow up the moon, because alien lizardpeople live there Wait they wrote Symphogear?
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Oct 24, 2017 00:26
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I am looking for something that I can play on my PC using an xbox controller. Ideally it will have cloud saves. So help me choose from: - I own most of the Ys games on Steam and don't know which one to play first, if I go with this. - Breath of Death VII... - The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky - Cthulhu saves the world. I also have Final Fantasy VI but I'm not sure how much old-school random combat I can stomach at the moment.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:30
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If you're gonna play Ys, start with either Oath of Felghana or Origins. 1+2 are dated and really only interesting for being the first games, but you can just skip them. Also Ys would be the main thing to benefit from a controller, since everything else in your list is a turn based rpg, and Trails originally was made with the PC in mind.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:33
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Wait they wrote Symphogear?
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Oct 24, 2017 00:33
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BoD7 isn't really worth playing. CSTW will probably take about ten hours tops, and it's alright. I'd probably just go with some Falcom.
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Oct 24, 2017 00:34
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Wait they wrote Symphogear? yeah, they're the original creator of the series and they're in charge of scriptwriting and series composition for all seasons. akifumi kaneko rules, man BadAstronaut posted:I am looking for something that I can play on my PC using an xbox controller. trails and ys are good picks, start ys with ys origin or oath in felghana cause they're both the tops
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BadAstronaut posted:I am looking for something that I can play on my PC using an xbox controller. play the oath in felghana
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Oct 24, 2017 00:35
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So 1 and 2 really aren't necessary to play for the story etc? And getting conflicting opinions on Oath vs Origins... let's say I definitely intend to play both. Which of the two to begin with?
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Oct 24, 2017 00:38
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BadAstronaut posted:So 1 and 2 really aren't necessary to play for the story etc? I'd start with Oath simply because it's an earlier iteration of that engine. Both are drat good.
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I & II: Not at all, though there will be some slight references to it every now and then. Ys as a series is (usually) so light on plot that it's not something one needs to generally worry about it at least when it comes to the titles connecting to one another. Oath vs. Origin: Honestly doesn't matter, and any preference a person has seems to often come down to which one they played first. I kind of prefer Oath because I like exploring a world and playing as Adol; in Origin you're exploring a giant tower the whole game and play as a trio of non-Adol folks. Arguably another knock against Origin is that the best playthrough is one with the third character, which you only unlock after beating the game once (or twice on the PS4).
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BadAstronaut posted:So 1 and 2 really aren't necessary to play for the story etc? 1&2 are the only games with an interconnecting storyline, the series at large is just framed as The Great Adventures Of Adol And Friends, where at most characters who appeared in previous games make reference to them but you don't really need to play the games they come from to get an idea of who they are. and yeah there's not really either i'd say is a better pick, origin is a very different thing from most ys games--i'd say it's the most arcadey. oath is more of a big action rpg adventure with a world map and a town and a shop and stuff.
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