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Florida Betty posted:To add to this, here's a grandmother who threw her granddaughter off of a 50-ft skywalk to get back at her son-in-law for getting her daughter pregnant out of wedlock What is wrong with people???
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Sarcopenia posted:What is wrong with people??? We're kind of a garbo species sometimes. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that while we're a very social species, we're also relatively violent by nature, compared to most other organisms. (While that's a bit of a softball article, it's a good summary of the issue.) I mean, we're getting better on average, over time. So, there is some hope for the future and for these incidences of extreme violence to become rarer and rarer, provided we don't all die for some other stupid reason.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:We're kind of a garbo species sometimes. There are a lot of people just walking around absolutely primed and prepared to give a poo poo about a total stranger, but you don't see them until you do.
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Pastry of the Year posted:There are a lot of people just walking around absolutely primed and prepared to give a poo poo about a total stranger, but you don't see them until you do. Oh don't get me wrong, there's a reason I used the qualifier 'sometimes', but that is worth clarifying, I suppose. There's a reason sociopathy and psychopathy were (maybe still are? I'm not current) such controversial topics for research; empathy is endemic to the overwhelming majority of people. Last I knew, consensus was that even people who are not naturally empathetic to others can usually learn empathy, but it doesn't come as naturally to some and must be given active cognition. We also just, uh, don't always apply empathy wisely or freely enough in the first place.
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AlbieQuirky posted:Australian parents jumping off bridges with children: was looking for this story, had to page through results for this story. I know suicide is typically the irrational decision of a sick mind but given that most people do it without harming others there is clearly some percentage that are just complete assholes.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:We're kind of a garbo species sometimes. [url="https://www.livescience.com/56306-primates-including-humans-are-the-most-violent-animals.html"]It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that while we're a very social species, we're also relatively violent by nature, compared to most other organisms. The only reason we're still not doing the tiny clan/tribe thing as hunter-gatherers like chimps is due to our domestication by the now ubiquitous canis lupus.
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LeJackal posted:The only reason we're still not doing the tiny clan/tribe thing as hunter-gatherers like chimps is due to our domestication by the now ubiquitous canis lupus. Dogs being wonderful aside, sometimes I think humans aren't really programmed to live in cities. Seems to be a higher tendency for people to go loopy in a concentrated population environment. Anonymity n poo poo aint good for us.
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Mackers posted:Dogs being wonderful aside, sometimes I think humans aren't really programmed to live in cities. Eh, I dunno about that. I mean, for sure, the internet has grown faster than cultural norms for dealing with it, but that's not necessarily an extension of urbanization nor related to cities in any way. You've got plenty of loopy people out in the country, and some of the loopiest intentionally withdraw from society (see also cults, and the farthest fringes of survivalism subcultures). You definitely get to see more concentrated crazy in cities, but that's just because there's more people. Humans are just sort of goofy in general.
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The poo poo I hear about small towns puts me off that notion entirely.
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Having lived in both small towns and big cities I can say with authority that cities are better. A lot better.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Having lived in both small towns and big cities I can say with authority that cities are better. A lot better. I second that emotion.
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TheGreasyStrangler posted:I know suicide is typically the irrational decision of a sick mind but given that most people do it without harming others there is clearly some percentage that are just complete assholes. I'd go further and say suicide is usually a rational decision of a sick, suffering mind that wishes to end that suffering; and despite the obvious lasting pain that the suicide of someone close to us causes, suicidal people tend to think that others will be better off without them. The decisions seem rational but it's the premises that are flawed. IMO Suicide with the intent to cause anguish and murder-suicide are a completely different kettle of fish. Solice Kirsk posted:Having lived in both small towns and big cities I can say with authority that cities are better. A lot better. I prefer big towns and small cities and I'd say "to hell with anything else" but they're already there.
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I think you'll find that different people prefer different things. Some folks like me prefer smaller towns, while other like living in big cities. Some other people prefer throw babies off of bridges, let's focus on that
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John Mellancamp posted:Well I was born in a small town same
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Mackers posted:Dogs being wonderful aside, sometimes I think humans aren't really programmed to live in cities. Preferences aside, psychosis is much more common in big cities. We don't really know why that is, but people who grow up in or live in cities are much more likely to develop symptoms of psychosis, so it's not just that psychotic people move to cities. I guess all things considered cities are a reasonable choice for rich people depending on personal preference, and overall a worse environment for most poor people.
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The Sausages posted:I'd go further and say suicide is usually a rational decision of a sick, suffering mind that wishes to end that suffering; and despite the obvious lasting pain that the suicide of someone close to us causes, suicidal people tend to think that others will be better off without them. The decisions seem rational but it's the premises that are flawed. IMO Suicide with the intent to cause anguish and murder-suicide are a completely different kettle of fish.
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Wow, what? I hadn't been paying much attention to the trial at the time, I wasn't really aware of that wrinkle.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates posted:According to trial testimony in 2006, Dr. Saeed advised Rusty, a former NASA engineer, not to leave Andrea unattended. However, he began leaving her alone with the children in the weeks leading up to the drownings for short periods of time, apparently to improve her independence.[12] He had announced at a family gathering the weekend before the drownings that he had decided to leave her home alone for an hour each morning and evening, so that she would not become totally dependent on him and his mother for her maternal responsibilities.[23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates posted:According to authors Suzy Spencer and Suzanne O'Malley, who investigated her story in great detail, it was during a phone call Dr. Saeed made to Rusty during the breaking news of the killings that Saeed first learned that she was not being supervised full-time.[26][6] Yates' first psychiatrist, Dr. Eileen Starbranch, says she was shocked to disbelief when, during an office visit with the couple, they expressed a desire to discontinue her medications so she could become pregnant again. She warned and counseled them against having more children, and noted in the medical record two days later, "Apparently patient and husband plan to have as many babies as nature will allow! This will surely guarantee future psychotic depression."[27] Nevertheless, Yates became pregnant with her fifth child, Mary, only 7 weeks after being discharged from Dr. Starbranch's care on January 12, 2000.[28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates posted:During the trial, he'd successfully maintained the position that Yates would be found innocent. He had fantasies of having more children with her after she was successfully treated in a mental health facility and released on the proper medication. He worked his way through various fixes for their damaged lives, such as a surrogate motherhood and adoption (horrifying her family, attorneys and Houston psychiatrists) before giving in to reality.[6] Jesus loving Christ. Yeah, that dude is a REAL loving piece of work.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Wow, what? I hadn't been paying much attention to the trial at the time, I wasn't really aware of that wrinkle. Well, he's got no children now so I hope that reveals the true value of his faith to him.
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Jedit posted:Well, he's got no children now so I hope that reveals the true value of his faith to him. It's like some bizarro Darwins award. Being so dumb that you kill all your offspring.
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The Sausages posted:I'd go further and say suicide is usually a rational decision of a sick, suffering mind that wishes to end that suffering; and despite the obvious lasting pain that the suicide of someone close to us causes, suicidal people tend to think that others will be better off without them. The decisions seem rational but it's the premises that are flawed. IMO Suicide with the intent to cause anguish and murder-suicide are a completely different kettle of fish. I want to reinforce that this is a good take on depression-related suicide for those who don't have a more...personal...understanding of the issue. Depression manifests in a variety of ways, but at the heart of it is a fundamentally flawed set of assumptions about the world, which fundamentally color the interpretation of everything that happens to them in objective reality. For example, if a person with depression believes that they are fundamentally unloveable and that everyone will abandon them eventually, everything that occurs is seen through that lens. If they text a friend and the friend doesn't respond for 30 minutes, they may perceive that as being because the friend secretly doesn't want to talk with them, even though they were just driving in traffic and couldn't respond immediately. To both sides, the objective reality of what happened is not in question: depressed person texted friend, friend responded 30 minutes later, but the depressed person's subjective interpretation of it was radically distorted compared to that of their friend. That is why, when someone is truly in the grips of depression, suicide can be seen as the "rational" option, and even why the murder/suicide could be seen in the same way. It's a horrible, terrible, tragic conclusion, but it springs from logical reasoning off of irrational assumptions. To bring this back to the unnerving articles, all that is why I see the end of Andrea Yates' story as disturbingly predictable and preventable well in advance. As for John Jonchuck, that is also why I see what he did as anger-driven murder that stems from "if I can't have her, no one can", rather than from the same place as Andrea Yates.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Wow, what? I hadn't been paying much attention to the trial at the time, I wasn't really aware of that wrinkle. Wow an engineer sees his wife as a baby factory, no way.
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Not every suicide has it's roots in perceived rejection. It can also be a last desperate chance to exert control over a life that has tumbled into seeming chaos. Whether it's due to illness, financial situation, or whatever. However, regardless of the impetus, this is fundamentally the root (emphasis mine): Azathoth posted:That is why, when someone is truly in the grips of depression, suicide can be seen as the "rational" option, and even why the murder/suicide could be seen in the same way. It's a horrible, terrible, tragic conclusion, but it springs from logical reasoning off of irrational assumptions.
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One of the cases covered in this thread may have had a killer identified. The Brabant killers in Belgium conducted a series of armed robberies in the Early 1980s. A former policeman apparently confessed to being part of the gang shortly before he died. https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/98167835/crazy-killer-confession-may-help-solve-30yearold-belgian-mystery
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https://www.goskagit.com/news/man-pleads-not-guilty-in-father-s-stabbing-death/article_479b3b6f-88d4-502d-ae77-ff5f098fb511.html Alt-right, Gamergater Pizzagate truther gets into an argument with his parents, who he accuses of being leftists and pedophiles, then proceeds to stab his father to death. Here is his youtube channel, where he rails against Common Core, ethics in videogames journalism and leftist pizzagate pedophiles. https://www.youtube.com/user/seattle4truth One of the silver linings of idiots uploading every second of their existence to youtube is that when some of them snap(ala Elliot Rodgers) they leave behind a treasure trove of crazy poo poo for us to pour over. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/pennsylvania/articles/2017-06-08/4-dead-in-murder-suicide-in-pennsylvania-supermarket Here is another guy who uploaded a ton of videos, here is his last one before he killed 4 co-workers with a shotgun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJtAbUj-0KY Here is his unfinished flash animation movie where he and a lady friend go on a Columbine style killing spree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bguj-NVkto
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Helios Grime posted:It's like some bizarro Darwins award. Being so dumb that you kill all your offspring. Technically speaking it is self-selecting yourself out of the gene pool. The only reason it's not a Darwin Award is because of the "no bystanders" rule.
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Jedit posted:Technically speaking it is self-selecting yourself out of the gene pool. The only reason it's not a Darwin Award is because of the "no bystanders" rule. Well, good news, guys! He managed to find some other lady to marry shortly after divorcing his incarcerated wife on the grounds that he was no longer living with/marital with her. The second marriage took place a year and a week after the divorce. He managed to have one and (thankfully?) only one more kid with her. Apparently they divorced a couple of years back, after nine years of marriage. I'm tempted to speculate he continued being A Real loving Piece of Work, but I admit not knowing the circumstances from the wiki blurb and it's a bit gossip to pry further. The dude should have absolutely been held culpable for manipulating his first wife to act against medical advice; it doesn't sound like he was really remorseful about it either, just disappointed that the Lord put a temporary stop to his ability to produce as many children as his wife physically could before death. Pick posted:Wow an engineer sees his wife as a baby factory, no way. Nice. I wish I had a witty retort or something here, but...yeah. STEM fields, son.
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Wow, what? I hadn't been paying much attention to the trial at the time, I wasn't really aware of that wrinkle. She saw it as making the ultimate sacrifice, going to hell so that her children could go to heaven. They believed their kids were not yet at the age of accountability for their sins, after which you're responsible for your actions in God's eyes, so they'd automatically get into heaven.
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ANYWAY Here's a mutant frog with its eyes in its mouth.
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Sex Hobbit posted:ANYWAY That must hurt when he eats.
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Sex Hobbit posted:ANYWAY Looks a bit down in the mouth
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Sex Hobbit posted:ANYWAY This is probably more fitting for the creepy image thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3683389
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Sex Hobbit posted:ANYWAY What the gently caress! Delete this
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Solice Kirsk posted:That must hurt when he eats. Meh, frogs lick their own eyes. It’s probably fine.
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Sex Hobbit posted:ANYWAY 
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Varkk posted:One of the cases covered in this thread may have had a killer identified. I wouldn't say it's cut and dry yet, but it really does seem like they finally identified one member of the gang. This is pretty huge in Belgium right now. And he wasn't just a of the police , he was a member of the police special forces, I guess more akin to SWAT in the US. The guy's name also starts appearing as a possible suspect in the files in 1998, but was never seriously followed up on, even though he applied for leave on some of the days the killings took place etc. There's always been rumours surrounding the gang and their motives, because they never seemed all that interested in money, just violence. Him being an outspoken right-wing racist gives a bit more credence to the theory that it was an attempt by right-wingers to destabilize the country and install a more authoritarian regime.
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Sex Hobbit posted:ANYWAY what!
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Varkk posted:One of the cases covered in this thread may have had a killer identified.
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