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A competent government would go "alright here's everything you need to rebuild. Wanna be state? Cool let's get you going again first though."
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:
The first one in action: 
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I know America has never really been "free" or welcoming to people considered non-white, but man seeing it represented so blatantly as it is with that wall, i.e. not even trying to hide it anymore, is pretty bleak as an outsider.
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Melania Trump has a better chance of breaking up the culture of high school cliques than Donald has of doing a single positive thing for this country.
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reminder, Donnie said the holes are for so we can see drug dealers on the other side and dodge the drugs they toss over.
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Fabulous Knight posted:I know America has never really been "free" or welcoming to people considered non-white, but man seeing it represented so blatantly as it is with that wall, i.e. not even trying to hide it anymore, is pretty bleak as an outsider. The real kicker is the party that loves to push forward that "Mr. GORBACHEV, TEAR. DOWN. THIS. WALL." Line is allllllll kinds of crazy about getting this giant waste of money done. I'm not sure what more they can do to turn my generation into staunchly blue bleeding bastards, but a monument to the fact they would rather piss away money than build infrastructure, give us healthcare or pay for college is a pretty ace move.
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Furnaceface posted:The first one in action: That's immediately what I thought of, lol.
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Boon posted:Others are saying that your concerns are not unfounded, persay, but that they're severely misconstruing the facts and I think this is an excellent example. NAFTA has problems and we should be honest about the costs and we should renegotiate it, that's good politics and good policy. Doing so wouldn't actually fix everything or much of anything, because the underlying problems caused by economic liberalization and rising inequality would still exist, so that's obviously not all we should do nor even the most important thing we should do but that doesn't make it a bad idea and certainly doesn't mean we should cede that popular issue to Donald Trump. Boon posted:Skipping the earlier back and forth, how does West Virginia and Kentucky coal job losses not impact your way of thinking about this? I agree and it's a complex problem because the economy is complex and Republicans are really really good at selling simple-sounding bullshit while blaming all the effects of their horrible policies on socialists and environmentalists or whatever. Coal is particularly weird because it's mostly a shibboleth for nostalgia for the good old days when a single income on a miner or factory workers' salary was enough to raise a family One major problem is that Obama didn't commit to his plan (I assume you're talking about the POWER Plan) until 2015 when Republicans had already taken both houses of congress. And unfortunately, Americans don't play close enough attention to parliamentary politics to understand that Republicans were keeping it from happening on purpose so coal country would blame Obama and it worked, just like refusing the Medicaid expansion perversely made people blame Obama rather than the Republicans who did it. Ultimately I think this was a missed opportunity, had he pushed POWER in 2009 it might have made a huge difference, especially if he'd also passed the economic stimulus that economists recommended rather than cutting it by 2/3 to appease budget hawks because the cratering economy also played a role in 2010. Hindsight is 20/20, now that Republicans are in charge and they're not helping coal country at all, we might get another chance at this. Another problem is that Republicans were able to define Obama early on as anti-coal because of his major push on the cap and trade bill (which may have been worth it had he gotten it bc ohmygod climate change, but since Republicans flipped on their own proposal and Democrats joined them to filibuster it, it didn't happen anyway so it was just a colossal self-own). Another big problem is the corporate media, who focused relentlessly on every stupid thing Trump said during the campaign because that drew eyeballs while ignoring Clinton's message for coal country and focusing on emailsemailsemails and turning the whole thing into a spectacle. As a result the only thing a lot of people heard from Clinton on coal workers is that clip from Republican attack ads. This was also a missed opportunity from the Clinton campaign, even though the media was against her, she didn't do a great job going out to areas hurt by the decline of coal and campaigning on her plan either. So yeah people vote against their best interests a lot, part of that is on them, but part of that is on us. We can't change them but we can change us. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Fabulous Knight posted:I know America has never really been "free" or welcoming to people considered non-white, but man seeing it represented so blatantly as it is with that wall, i.e. not even trying to hide it anymore, is pretty bleak as an outsider. Even to a white outsider looking in America seems pretty bleak.
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hooman posted:Even to a white outsider looking in America seems pretty bleak. Oh, I am white too, my wording may have been a bit wonky. I just meant that Americans might not always realize that despite every horrible thing that happens, large swaths of the western world do generally buy a lot of the image of "freedom and liberty" and that thing they are building is a ridiculously jarring antithesis to it. It's like delivering a sledgehammer shot to the heart of America's soft power. Fabulous Knight fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Oct 24, 2017 05:49
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Joke's on you because you Europeans are stuck on the half of the world with a billion+ future climate refugees.
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hooman posted:Even to a white outsider looking in America seems pretty bleak. Oh please, it's not like we're living in some quasi-autocratic form of government where the tolerated form of management is to either let the population atrophy and rot away into oblivion or outright purge the undesirables at the behest of a psychotic, borderline animalistic minority culture who lust for nothing but pain, suffering and death from the objects of their ire. We've still got our szechuan sauce.
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There was a segment on NPR about a construction guy who allegedly did all the calculations about how many resources it would take to build the wall and he was prepared to do it himself. He was also convinced that Donald and the Trump children were his dear personal friends and didn't understand why that beautiful family never responded to any of his letters.
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Arglebargle III posted:Joke's on you because you Europeans are stuck on the half of the world with a billion+ future climate refugees. Completely true, and if the EU manages to somehow survive its current woes, that will probably be when full-blown authoritarianism will break out again. A few years ago I just never feared that the USA might already be waiting for us there at that point.
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hooman posted:Even to a white outsider looking in America seems pretty bleak. Eh it ain't that bad then again me asian so "And then they came for..."
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Sorry, I'm still not over Trump tweeting about how he said someone's name correctly.
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“I am glad my legal counsel has been able to finally approve tis contribution to you,” Trump wrote. “Enclosed is a check for $25,000 — I hope this will make things a bit easier, but nothing will ever replace your son, Dillon. He was an American hero.” The check from Trump is dated Oct. 18, the same day the Post published its initial story on Trump not sending the check.
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Arglebargle III posted:Joke's on you because you Europeans are stuck on the half of the world with a billion+ future climate refugees. Jokes on us, like a fifth of the US will be climate refugees by 2060
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Here are the winning 8 wall prototypes Furnaceface posted:The first one in action: Yeah, I'm all for 6 and 7 just because of how STUPID that design looks. Top-heavy and you can totes just cut a bar or two out and people can get through...all the while a giant mess to repair the damage. I hope they go with those for the grand total 5 miles they're gonna make before they embezzle all the money. 
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Ammanas posted:Jokes on us, like a fifth of the US will be climate refugees by 2060 We're coming for you, Canada. Break out the Molson.
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Fabulous Knight posted:Completely true, and if the EU manages to somehow survive its current woes, that will probably be when full-blown authoritarianism will break out again. A few years ago I just never feared that the USA might already be waiting for us there at that point. Hey, friends stick together. quote:At least two Senate Republicans are delaying swift passage of a disaster aid package — demanding that Puerto Rico be made permanently exempt from a 1920 law that has complicated efforts to send supplies to the hurricane-ravaged territory. So if you're keeping track at home, PR will be authorized to receive a 5 billion dollar loan a mere 36 or so days after the Hurricane which wiped out the islands infrastructure , and about 6% of that total will go to a tiny energy company in Montana which has levered its
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Sorry, I'm still not over Trump tweeting about how he said someone's name correctly. Don't get behind, it's almost Tuesday
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PhazonLink posted:reminder, Donnie said the holes are for so we can see drug dealers on the other side and dodge the drugs they toss over. It frustrates me that this isn't brought up constantly every time he mentions it because it is a real thing he actually said
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Can't wait to play international volleyball over the giant net they'll wind up installing
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PhazonLink posted:reminder, Donnie said the holes are for so we can see drug dealers on the other side and dodge the drugs they toss over. empty whippet box posted:It frustrates me that this isn't brought up constantly every time he mentions it because it is a real thing he actually said Please provide a source because that is loving amazing.
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PhazonLink posted:reminder, Donnie said the holes are for so we can see drug dealers on the other side and dodge the drugs they toss over. His one job is lying and hes really not even that good at it.
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Asked by reporters aboard Air Force One on Wednesday night about the wall, the president offered several perplexing new details about his plans and insisted that he was “not joking” about adding solar panels, a proposal he earnestly suggested would help cover the project’s estimated $21.6 billion cost. “There is a chance that we can do a solar wall,” Trump said. “We have major companies looking at that. Look, there’s no better place for solar than the Mexico border—the southern border. And there is a very good chance we can do a solar wall, which would actually look good. But there is a very good chance we could do a solar wall.” Trump went on to say that the wall needs one thing: transparency. “You have to be able to see through it,” he explained. “In other words, if you can’t see through that wall—so it could be a steel wall with openings, but you have to have openings because you have to see what’s on the other side of the wall.” The wall needs to be see-through, the president continued, because drug dealers may otherwise throw large bags of drugs over the wall to the other side, and hit innocent passers-by. “As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them—they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over,” he added. “As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/trump-transparent-border-wall-falling-drugs-mexico
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Where is the one built out of solar panels that Donny promised to us liberals? Edit: god loving dammit
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empty whippet box posted:It frustrates me that this isn't brought up constantly every time he mentions it because it is a real thing he actually said Not many people know, but I just learned if it's not transparent, you can't see through it!
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Snowman_McK posted:Please provide a source because that is loving amazing. Trump's just poorly communicating something he probably heard from CBP, which is they want to be able to see what is happening on the other side of the wall without having to install gates that need extra security. Remember, the wall won't be on the border for vast stretches and CBP needs to be able to monitor the US territory they've shoved into no-mans land behind the wall.
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PhazonLink posted:reminder, Donnie said the holes are for so we can see drug dealers on the other side and dodge the drugs they toss over. They might be to allow small animals to cross the border unhindered. Large animals are completely hosed, of course.
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pseudorandom name posted:Large animals are completely hosed, of course. What else is new?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Here are the winning 8 wall prototypes I'm not getting a good sense of scale here, how wide are the gaps in #7? It's looking like you could definitely pass some drugs through it, and possibly a small child.
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Pakled posted:I'm not getting a good sense of scale here, how wide are the gaps in #7? It's looking like you could definitely pass some drugs through it, and possibly a small child. Hell, you could probably drive a sufficiently large pickup truck or cargo van into a section #6 or #7 at speed and just knock the fucker over with how top-heavy they look.
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Pakled posted:I'm not getting a good sense of scale here, how wide are the gaps in #7? It's looking like you could definitely pass some drugs through it, and possibly a small child. Or get some hydraulic jacks and snap out a section?
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And Mexico is going to pay for it.
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spunkshui posted:The wall needs to be see-through, the president continued, because drug dealers may otherwise throw large bags of drugs over the wall to the other side, and hit innocent passers-by. “As horrible as it sounds, when they throw the large sacks of drugs over, and if you have people on the other side of the wall, you don’t see them—they hit you on the head with 60 pounds of stuff? It’s over,” he added. “As crazy as that sounds, you need transparency through that wall. But we have some incredible designs.” Instead, drug dealers will walk up to the wall and hand drugs through a series of 3 to 5 inch gaps to accomplices on the American side. That's if they don't have access to acetylene torches, hacksaws, or explosives. Edit: Pakled posted:I'm not getting a good sense of scale here, how wide are the gaps in #7? It's looking like you could definitely pass some drugs through it, and possibly a small child. If all the sections are the same dimensions, the looper cone in the 8th photo gives some scale: those cones are 42" tall. I don't think the camera or distance would effect perspective enough, but running it through Photoshop, #6 is about 5-inch slats with a 3-inch wide gap, #7 is about 8-9-inch thick slats, 4-5-inch gap, leaning more toward 5 because of pixel blurring indicating it not taking up the full pixel. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Oct 24, 2017 |
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Do any of the designs incorporate advanced tunnel technology, as promised?
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spunkshui posted:Asked by reporters aboard Air Force One on Wednesday night about the wall, the president offered several perplexing new details about his plans and insisted that he was “not joking” about adding solar panels, a proposal he earnestly suggested would help cover the project’s estimated $21.6 billion cost. “There is a chance that we can do a solar wall,” Trump said. “We have major companies looking at that. Look, there’s no better place for solar than the Mexico border—the southern border. And there is a very good chance we can do a solar wall, which would actually look good. But there is a very good chance we could do a solar wall.” Rising life expectancy and decreasing fertility is increasing the overall average age of the electorate. Increasingly voters will prefer candidates as senile and unhealthy (and racist) as themselves. Trump's muddled incoherent thinking isn't interpreted as a sign of dementia but a character trait with which they can identify. Seriously though I had to check if this was satire. What a mess.
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nine-gear crow posted:Hell, you could probably drive a sufficiently large pickup truck or cargo van into a section #6 or #7 at speed and just knock the fucker over with how top-heavy they look. Unless they're way thicker than they look, any of these is gonna have stolen junker trucks smashed through them on the daily.
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