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Critical posted:Donald Trump is a oval office and I hope he dies soon. I want him incapacitated by dementia because that leaves the GOP in a very awkward spot.
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Mendrian posted:People expecting Antifa to be Ghandi or MLK are so loving stupid because they'd be saying the exact same poo poo about those leaders if they'd been alive for their respective movements. "We have to be an example and not be violent" I say as I storm the beaches of Normandy
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Oct 26, 2017 17:50
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Mendrian posted:People expecting Antifa to be Ghandi or MLK are so loving stupid because they'd be saying the exact same poo poo about those leaders if they'd been alive for their respective movements. If MLK was still alive they’d treat him exactly like they do Al Sharpton.
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Oct 26, 2017 17:52
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theflyingorc posted:Yeah, it still isn't anything at all, really. This passage is just "we're not going to go ahead and drop the ball this early for no reason". So a remarkable achievement for the 2017 Congress, is what you're saying.  Mendrian posted:People expecting Antifa to be Ghandi or MLK are so loving stupid because they'd be saying the exact same poo poo about those leaders if they'd been alive for their respective movements. I prefer the cases where they can bait the Nazis into throwing the first punch, which doesn't appear to be terribly difficult, but that's less "don't punch Nazis" and more "punch Nazis in a strategically preferable fashion that is less likely to see your dudes in the pokey".
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Oct 26, 2017 17:53
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Blood and soil types are a minority even on their side. The average right-winger whines about BLM, affirmative action, welfare, kneeling in football, etc. that's all blood and soil dude.
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Oct 26, 2017 17:56
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GreyjoyBastard posted:So a remarkable achievement for the 2017 Congress, is what you're saying. I mean ideally, sure. The problem is treating Antifa like they're the military branch of the left. They aren't. They're antibodies. Their people who hate the idea of Nazis gaining a foothold. They're the physical manifestation of public outrage over the possibility of a fascist regime, simmering just below the level of a riot. There's no strategy because there's no leadership; people just loving hate Nazis. Full stop. "Well, they shouldn't hit windows..." or, "Well, they should consider the optics..." is just loving stupid. People hate Nazis and they're going to take it out on people. It'd be like if the government decided we all had to be in bed by 7PM and some people took to the street and flipped over cars because they're pissed. They don't consider the optics because they're individuals whose only unifying motivation is to express their displeasure. Some of them don't break windows. Some of them do. When they organize, it's in tiny little groups with nebulous goals.
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Oct 26, 2017 17:57
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I want him incapacitated by dementia because that leaves the GOP in a very awkward spot. The GOP takes notes from Pope Formosus and seats Donnie behind the resolute desk regardless, with someone tying strings to his hands to make him sign bills. Not like anyone can tell with that lovely signature.
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Oct 26, 2017 17:57
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Lightning Knight posted:If MLK was still alive they’d treat him exactly like they do Al Sharpton. Of course they would. The people pulling this poo poo are comparing the sanitized, air brushed versions of these movements to a real world movement and are shocked that reality doesn't match idealistic fantasy
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Oct 26, 2017 18:00
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business hammocks posted:Good news about all commercial meat, friend! Maybe 10 years ago. Rules are entering effect and most producers actually curtailed antibiotic use well in advance.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:00
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I want him incapacitated by dementia because that leaves the GOP in a very awkward spot.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:02
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Groovelord Neato posted:that's all blood and soil dude. Someone can be a regressive shithead without being a literal Nazi. I'm not trying to say that there aren't similarities, but muddying definitions (even for a good reason like emphasizing that both are related and bad) isn't really useful.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:05
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I want him incapacitated by dementia because that leaves the GOP in a very awkward spot. 1986? Which they followed by winning the presidency in 1988?
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Oct 26, 2017 18:06
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FizFashizzle posted:1986? Bush was truly a magician.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:08
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Someone can be a regressive shithead without being a literal Nazi. I'm not trying to say that there aren't similarities, but muddying definitions (even for a good reason like emphasizing that both are related and bad) isn't really useful. Every point you mentioned that the "average right-winger whines about" were about keeping non-white people (especially black people) poor and downtrodden. How is that not America for "Americans"? How is that not blood and soil?
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Oct 26, 2017 18:09
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Condiv posted:Of course they would. The people pulling this poo poo are comparing the sanitized, air brushed versions of these movements to a real world movement and are shocked that reality doesn't match idealistic fantasy Yep, pretty much. We’re all guilty of it too. Somebody was long-form quoting him within the last 15 pages.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:11
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Ague Proof posted:Bush was truly a magician. Americans were too focused on reading his lips while he copped a feel
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Oct 26, 2017 18:11
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I'm still catching up but, christ on a cracker, just kill me now.  We are alive inside the stupidest tiarrrrghhhhfbfbfffttttffffffffffffffffff!
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Oct 26, 2017 18:13
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Good lord, the Republican budget legislation is one of the worst things I've ever seen. For example, being able to deduct my property taxes every year is amazingly helpful, I can't believe they'd end that.Fitzy Fitz posted:Someone can be a regressive shithead without being a literal Nazi. I'm not trying to say that there aren't similarities, but muddying definitions (even for a good reason like emphasizing that both are related and bad) isn't really useful.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:15
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Akumu posted:Every point you mentioned that the "average right-winger whines about" were about keeping non-white people (especially black people) poor and downtrodden. How is that not America for "Americans"? How is that not blood and soil? If y'all want to call it that then that's fine. If you want to call Manifest Destiny "lebensraum" then you can do that too. I just thought the phrase had more value when it was actually associated with Nazi ideology like it has been since it was coined.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:15
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Someone post that 1960s political cartoon portraying MLK as a violent thug in front of a destroyed city.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:16
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Fitzy Fitz posted:If y'all want to call it that then that's fine. If you want to call Manifest Destiny "lebensraum" then you can do that too. I just thought the word had more value when it was actually associated with Nazi ideology like it has been since it was coined. It is? Like what's the crucial difference here, that we're not German?
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Oct 26, 2017 18:16
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Crows Turn Off posted:Good lord, the Republican budget legislation is one of the worst things I've ever seen. For example, being able to deduct my property taxes every year is amazingly helpful, I can't believe they'd end that. Rich people have better use for that money
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Oct 26, 2017 18:18
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Lightning Knight posted:Yep, pretty much. Letter from Birmingham Jail is incredibly relevant to these discussions. I don't see how quoting MLK's condemnation of the white moderate to explain why it's bullshit to claim sympathy to the cause while complaining about the tactics of the protesters is whitewashing the civil rights movement.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:19
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Someone can be a regressive shithead without being a literal Nazi. I'm not trying to say that there aren't similarities, but muddying definitions (even for a good reason like emphasizing that both are related and bad) isn't really useful. every republican is a white nationalist.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:19
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Ague Proof posted:Did someone miss handel the sever? pages old but  need that, there's been scant little good news lately.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:23
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Crows Turn Off posted:They both result in Republicans having power, so they're functionally identical. Gerrymandering and voter ID laws both suppress D votes, but we don't call them by the same word. Akumu posted:It is? Like what's the crucial difference here, that we're not German? There are differences between different ethno-nationalist ideologies. IDK man. There are plenty of differences between a skinhead and a Republican in congress, even if they both want to elevate white people. That doesn't mean we start calling skinheads "congressman." I didn't put a lot of thought into that analogy, but does not make sense?
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Oct 26, 2017 18:23
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Gerrymandering and voter ID laws both suppress D votes, but we don't call them by the same word. How about you just call a duck a duck. Quibbling over what they really mean when they say blood and soil isn't productive. And gerrymandering and voter ID laws are processes, not ideologies, so that's a weird comparison. It's like saying "Well all this stuff in this toolbox fixes cars, so I'm going to call them all wrenches" even though there are a shitload of other things that aren't wrenches in the toolbox.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:25
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Lightning Knight posted:If MLK was still alive they’d treat him exactly like they do Al Sharpton. 
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Oct 26, 2017 18:25
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Crows Turn Off posted:Good lord, the Republican budget legislation is one of the worst things I've ever seen. For example, being able to deduct my property taxes every year is amazingly helpful, I can't believe they'd end that. I was talking to my friend about this and she and I agreed that this whole thing is a "robbing Peter to pay Paul" situation. The issue is that while the GOP all agree on who Paul is (billionaires), they have massive disagreements on which Peters they should steal from. This is why you had 20-some GOP house members vote against this. If you're a Republican in CA, NY, NJ, etc. this budget passing is the kiss of death. You can't run on "I cut taxes" if your constituents' taxes actually went up. It's why I'm pretty skeptical on the whole thing. I'm thinking they end up passing some really stripped down thing that just fucks the usual GOP targets (poor people) because there is no way in hell the moderate GOP members can stomach the crazy poo poo like ending state/property tax deductions, destroying 401ks, etc.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:29
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twice burned ice posted:Letter from Birmingham Jail is incredibly relevant to these discussions. Often it gets used to focus on the “moderate” part while ignoring the “white” part and consequently implying that people further to the left are above implicit bias. The broad liberal-left doesn’t want to have awkward discussions about representation and leadership roles for minorities all too often, it’s why I much more respect the DSA for explicitly reserving leadership positions for minority members even if the hosed it up in other ways.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:30
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Fitzy Fitz posted:There are differences between different ethno-nationalist ideologies. IDK man. There are plenty of differences between a skinhead and a Republican in congress, even if they both want to elevate white people. That doesn't mean we start calling skinheads "congressman." I didn't put a lot of thought into that analogy, but does not make sense? Nobody gives a poo poo about ruralism. If you don't object to calling the Nazis at Charlottesville "blood and soil types", there's no reason to object to calling the average right-winger that.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:31
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Shbobdb posted:I got yelled out of the room multiple times by people like Trab for saying that if you have a choice between a con-man promising you things you want and someone seriously offering advocating things you know are bad, it makes sense to go for the con-man. Even if everything else is obviously on the con-man. If you haven't seen gains for 8 years, you vote for volatility and not stability.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:31
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DreamShipWrecked posted:https://twitter.com/AdamSextonWMUR/status/923566087727403008 Ah yes, Praying, (beating, humiliating) the gay away. And then there's the electric shock and nausea-inducing drugs when showing the sinner same-sex erotic images. Lovely.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:32
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axeil posted:I'm thinking they end up passing some really stripped down thing that just fucks the usual GOP targets (poor people) because there is no way in hell the moderate GOP members can stomach the crazy poo poo like ending state/property tax deductions, destroying 401ks, etc.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:32
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PhazonLink posted:The NJ Fatass is going to try again, but this time the limo route is going to be crazy so they don't pass any Taco Bells or other mexican restaurants. Christie is delusional if he thinks the Father In Law of the guy who's dad he put in prison is going to do anything important with him.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:33
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axeil posted:I was talking to my friend about this and she and I agreed that this whole thing is a "robbing Peter to pay Paul" situation. The issue is that while the GOP all agree on who Paul is (billionaires), they have massive disagreements on which Peters they should steal from. This is why you had 20-some GOP house members vote against this. If you're a Republican in CA, NY, NJ, etc. this budget passing is the kiss of death. You can't run on "I cut taxes" if your constituents' taxes actually went up. It’s funny because this tax bill is going to raise the taxes of core trump supporters - the upper middle class.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:36
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gret posted:It’s funny because this tax bill is going to raise the taxes of core trump supporters - the upper middle class.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:37
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OK, I really don't care how y'all use the expression. When I posted that pages and pages ago it was just to draw a distinction between someone who leans more toward "literally holocaust the (((Jews)))" and the average conservative dumbshit that I meet on a daily basis who hurts minorities in other ways. Like when everyone talks about punching Nazis, I didn't know it literally meant punch all conservatives.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:38
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Fitzy Fitz posted:OK, I really don't care how y'all use the expression. When I posted that pages and pages ago it was just to draw a distinction between someone who leans more toward "literally holocaust the (((Jews)))" and the average conservative dumbshit that I meet on a daily basis who hurts minorities in other ways. Like when everyone talks about punching Nazis, I didn't know you literally meant punch all conservatives. The concept you’re trying to articulate is the difference between ideological conservatives and cultural conservatives. The problem is that ideological conservatives are successfully radicalizing cultural conservatives en masses as we speak. Which is how people go from “those damned NFL players need to respect Are Troops” to “the Holocaust was a lie.” From the perspective of the people they hurt the difference is largely academic though.
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Ague Proof posted:3 minutes to midnight. Wow we're taking opinions from loving Steam and "Gamers" doing shtick now? :share:
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