Al Andalus: A Paradox Mega-LP

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Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

Yeah, we need a revolution badly

# ? Oct 26, 2017 19:34

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zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

God I just want to play this mod and bask in an alternate universe where things only go moderately bad for Al Andulas :stare:

zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Oct 26, 2017

# ? Oct 26, 2017 19:42

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Going into Vicky as the sick man of Europe would certainly be a kinda novel start.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 20:05

Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

We couldn't even hold on to just Mexico as long as Spain did OTL

# ? Oct 26, 2017 20:07

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

We really need an alliance with Provence.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 20:10

Talas: Aug 27, 2005

That was a really sad update

# ? Oct 26, 2017 20:10

hashashash: Nov 2, 2016; Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!

A bit late, but it's time for a policy session! Nothing new, but remember that there's still a 2 directive limit on each policy.

Policy Session

For more information on policies, available buildings and diplomatic actions, click here, and scroll beneath the chapter list.

Policy Restrictions

The New Taifas can submit two policies, the Andalusi Diwan one, the League of Merchants one and the Reformed Ulema one.

The New Taifas are the dominant faction, so they will have no restrictions to their policies, except for those that apply to other factions.

The Andalusi Diwan are the second-largest faction and is very nearly as powerful as the Taifas, so whilst conquest wars are still completely allowed, there may be a push for early peaces and shorter wars. There will be some unrest, but any rebellions should be small and easily manageable.

The League of Merchants are the second-smallest faction, so colonial wars and colonisation is no longer possible, through policies or otherwise (coalitions are possible).

The Reformed Ulema are the smallest faction, so there will be no province conversion, through policies or otherwise (coalitions are possible). There may be an increase in Sunni rebellion as well, since they�ll see the clergy as weak enough to revolt.

No policies can include the moving of the current capital, C�diz.

No policies can have more than two directives.

Coalitions

So what are coalitions?

Basically a way for smaller factions to band together and force issues through the Majlis. A coalition works when two factions agree to submit a single policy. So, for example, say the Merchants submit a policy to colonise a certain region, and a bunch of Ulema agree to use their votes to support it. If that policy gains the most votes from both the Merchants and the Ulema, then it will be passed.

There are no restrictions on coalition policies, no matter what faction is in power, but the largest faction will still take precedence. Also, the Ruling Faction cannot form any coalitions at all.

Buildings

ALL buildings are now unlocked! Most of the buildings we�ve got currently constructed are obsolete though, with the notable exception of our two forts on the French border (which are up level 8, the maximum).

For more information on available buildings and their effects, click here.

State of Affairs

Government: Constitutional Monarchy
Ruling Faction: n/a
Permitted Factions: The New Taifas, the League of Merchants, the Reformed Ulema, the Andalusi Diwan
Rivals: France, Morocco, Celtic Empire
Alliances: Bavaria
Subjects: none
Other Pacts:
Diplomatic slots: 1/5
Treasury: 141 gold (6695 in debt)
Current net income: -40 gold/month

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With that done, the floor is now open for policies. Here are the icon links:

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New Taifas: [img]https://lpix.org/2786920/Taifas.png[/img]

League of Merchants: [img]https://lpix.org/2786922/Merchants.png[/img]

Reformed Ulema: [img]https://lpix.org/2885768/newulema.png[/img]

Andalusi Diwan: [img]https://lpix.org/2949681/diwan.png[/img]

If you want anything specific from the game, let me know and I'll give it a look.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 20:41

Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

Can we get a world map?

# ? Oct 26, 2017 20:44

Luhood: Nov 13, 2012

I propose the Andalusi Reconstruction Act!

We are to, in no specific order:

Secure an Alliance with a great power in order to stave of any hostility and aggression from Morocco and France in this time of strife.
Do our best to pay off our rampaging debts before they take us out first.

Once these both are done I am sure there are other things we need to be doing in terms of other Acts and Propositions.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:02

zetamind2000: Nov 6, 2007; ~~I'm an alien.~~

Luhood posted:

I propose the Andalusi Reconstruction Act!

We are to, in no specific order:

Secure an Alliance with a great power in order to stave of any hostility and aggression from Morocco and France in this time of strife.

Do our best to pay off our rampaging debts before they take us out first.
Once these both are done I am sure there are other things we need to be doing in terms of other Acts and Propositions.

Supporting

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:04

Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

The time has long passed for such half measures. Al-Andalus was betrayed during this war, not just by Hishami dogs or the Archduke of Sausage, but by our own Sultan! In a fit of pique and madness, he murdered our Grand Vizier, in the middle of a war! His position inspires every mad pretender and their mercenary legions! No more! The Majlis made a mistake with al-Muhsin, in accepting any Jizrunid to take the throne! I say no more! I propose:

The Deposition and Reorganization Act

1. Depose and arrest Sultan Ali as a traitor.

2. Institute the direct rule of the Majlis over Al-Andalus. (as a Noble Republic or something, this is still debatable).

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:12

Talas: Aug 27, 2005

I propose the gently caress It, Take More Loans Act.

After losing our ~~piggy banks~~ colonies, we are in serious need of more ~~gold~~ stuff, a new navy, new buildings, and a new Grand Vizier with a head on his shoulders. Sadly, we are going to have to let some debts go into default... and well, take some more with some ~~dubious~~ awesome merchants. I mean, we are going to need more money just to have a ~~revolution~~ functional government.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:36

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

Hit the Books Act

All tech types must be advanced as far as they can possibly go, barring ruinous expense.

All Majlis entertainment and recreation budgets are to be reduced by 4/5ths.

No tequila, no partying.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:39

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

gently caress. Can we just have a revolution now?

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:42

Dance Officer: May 4, 2017; It would be awesome if we could dance!

So much for the Andalusi golden age. More like age of disaster.

I would very much like a proper revolution or republic now. It's time to remove those disgusting powerhungry so-called 'noble' pigs from any position of influence.

Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 26, 2017

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:42

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

paragon1 posted:

Hit the Books Act

All tech types must be advanced as far as they can possibly go, barring ruinous expense.

All Majlis entertainment and recreation budgets are to be reduced by 4/5ths.

No tequila, no partying.

Supporting this.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:47

Soup du Jour: Sep 8, 2011; I always knew I'd die with a headache.

Proposing the Defense in Depth act, to upgrade all our forts to the highest level as soon as possible starting with those closest to our coastal borders. If possible, we should also have forts in every state at the least.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:50

GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

Crazycryodude posted:

gently caress. Can we just have a revolution now?

I get the feeling we're Muslim Great Britain tbh, so the next step is to pivot the empire to Asia and focus on industrialization (we had some proto-industrialization event fire, didn't we?).

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:59

GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Defense in Depth act, to upgrade all our forts to the highest level as soon as possible starting with those closest to our coastal borders. If possible, we should also have forts in every state at the least.

Supporting

# ? Oct 26, 2017 21:59

Rody One Half: Feb 18, 2011

Iirc are we not the SECOND to lose our colonies, or is it that the East Coast is the English Government in Exile (I read too many pdx threads)

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:00

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Muslim Great Britain but without the navy or the homogenous population or the natural resources or the geographic isolation or the global empire or the 200 years of internal peace to do what Real Great Britain did. We're really just kinda hosed.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:01

Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

Crazycryodude posted:

Muslim Great Britain but without the navy or the homogenous population or the natural resources or the geographic isolation or the 200 years of internal peace to do what Real Great Britain did. We're really just kinda hosed.

And also annual gangbangs by the actual Great Powers

Support my bill, maybe kickstarting civil war will inspire some revolutionaries

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:02

MaxieSatan: Oct 19, 2017; critical support for anarchists

Friends, though I will not endorse their proposals ~~openly~~, those calling for revolution are wise to see that we have a choice before us: innovate or die. We cannot continue digging ourselves deeper into the same hole and expecting it to turn out fine; we must take this opportunity to truly realign our goals and right this wayward ship we call a sultanate.

I do not say this lightly; with the loss of our Gharbian empire, I, and indeed the entire Makshi family, have lost a fortune - no doubt the same is true for many of you. But Sevilla remains the gateway to Mediterranean trade, and Andalusia remains a golden land - should we succumb to hopelessness when we still have so much left to fight for?!

To this end, I propose the Administrative and Economic Restructure Act, or, if you prefer something more poetic, the Midas' Plea Policy. It goes as follows:

1) Reform the economy to incorporate new ideas such as free markets and centralized banking. By doing so we may stabilize inflation and increase revenue.
2) Enact austerity policies with regards to construction, the military, and any other drains on the economy. Especially forts, of which we surely have plenty in strategic areas - sufficient troops not so much.

One last note, less a proposal - as it doesn't fall within the purview of this policy - and more a suggestion: If and when our military recovers, I recommend creating both a primary defensive force and a secondary force for conquering weak powers near our colonies. That way we don't have to constantly ferry them around.

Gentlemen, the future of this country is as ceramic thrust straight from the kiln and into your hands. Accept it though it may pain you, or let it fall to the ground and shatter.

MaxieSatan fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Oct 26, 2017

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:06

Danny Glands: Jan 26, 2013; Possible thermal failure (CPU on fire?)

paragon1 posted:

Hit the Books Act

All tech types must be advanced as far as they can possibly go, barring ruinous expense.

All Majlis entertainment and recreation budgets are to be reduced by 4/5ths.

No tequila, no partying.

I support this proposal.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:19

mcclay: Jul 8, 2013; Oh dear oh gosh oh darn; Soiled Meat

Restoration of Order Act
1. All loans must be paid off before any buildings are to be built
2. Once the loans are paid off Town Halls must be built in the states with the highest maintenance and most autonomy.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:35

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Talas posted:

I propose the gently caress It, Take More Loans Act.

After losing our ~~piggy banks~~ colonies, we are in serious need of more ~~gold~~ stuff, a new navy, new buildings, and a new Grand Vizier with a head on his shoulders. Sadly, we are going to have to let some debts go into default... and well, take some more with some ~~dubious~~ awesome merchants. I mean, we are going to need more money just to have a ~~revolution~~ functional government.

Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man's world
Money, money, money
Always sunny
In the rich man's world

Support this.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:49

MatchaZed: Feb 14, 2010; We Can Do It!

Can a non-great power even be the target of the revolution?

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:51

Frionnel: May 7, 2010; Friends are what make testing worth it.

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

The time has long passed for such half measures. Al-Andalus was betrayed during this war, not just by Hishami dogs or the Archduke of Sausage, but by our own Sultan! In a fit of pique and madness, he murdered our Grand Vizier, in the middle of a war! His position inspires every mad pretender and their mercenary legions! No more! The Majlis made a mistake with al-Muhsin, in accepting any Jizrunid to take the throne! I say no more! I propose:

The Deposition and Reorganization Act

1. Depose and arrest Sultan Ali as a traitor.

2. Institute the direct rule of the Majlis over Al-Andalus. (as a Noble Republic or something, this is still debatable).

This is going to gently caress us up, but you know what? Same.

Supporting.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:53

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

WilliamAnderson posted:

Can a non-great power even be the target of the revolution?

Yep, as long as you've got your capital in Europe, have negative stability, and have at least 30 provinces you can be the home of the Revolution.

So if we want to spread glorious Revolution, we should tank our stability and get a bunch of loans/go bankrupt. Which honestly seems way more easy and fun than trying to legislate ourselves out of this same goddamn hole we've been in for 200 years.

Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Oct 26, 2017

# ? Oct 26, 2017 22:55

vanity slug: Jul 20, 2010

mcclay posted:

Restoration of Order Act
1. All loans must be paid off before any buildings are to be built
2. Once the loans are paid off Town Halls must be built in the states with the highest maintenance and most autonomy.

Agreed.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:11

QuoProQuid: Jan 12, 2012; Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

if we're going to fall apart, i'd rather go out with a bang, swathed in jewels and fineries ancien r�gime-style than slowly decay like spain or the ottomans

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:14

Rody One Half: Feb 18, 2011

Yeah if we wanted to run this right we'd need to have been all aggressive all the time, so Operation gently caress The World might be our only option.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:16

hashashash: Nov 2, 2016; Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

The Deposition and Reorganization Act

1. Depose and arrest Sultan Ali as a traitor.

2. Institute the direct rule of the Majlis over Al-Andalus. (as a Noble Republic or something, this is still debatable).

Talas posted:

I propose the gently caress It, Take More Loans Act.

After losing our ~~piggy banks~~ colonies, we are in serious need of more ~~gold~~ stuff, a new navy, new buildings, and a new Grand Vizier with a head on his shoulders. Sadly, we are going to have to let some debts go into default... and well, take some more with some ~~dubious~~ awesome merchants. I mean, we are going to need more money just to have a ~~revolution~~ functional government.

These wouldn't usually be allowed (because it ordinarily makes no sense to purposely tank your country), but I'll allow them for now because Al Andalus is in a very weak and precarious position, and I'd like to know how much of the Majlis is with or against the sultan (since, you know, he's kinda mad). These next few years are going to be critical.

Also, if AJImpy is still set on converting back to Sunni Islam, he's now free to put it up as a policy again. That'll be useful in gauging how much of the Majlis are actually crypto-Sunnis.

hashashash fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Oct 26, 2017

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:19

hashashash: Nov 2, 2016; Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!

Early policies:

Luhood posted:

I propose the Andalusi Reconstruction Act! We are to, in no specific order:

Secure an Alliance with a great power in order to stave of any hostility and aggression from Morocco and France in this time of strife.

Do our best to pay off our rampaging debts before they take us out first.
Once these both are done I am sure there are other things we need to be doing in terms of other Acts and Propositions.

Luhood, RZApublican.

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

The time has long passed for such half measures. Al-Andalus was betrayed during this war, not just by Hishami dogs or the Archduke of Sausage, but by our own Sultan! In a fit of pique and madness, he murdered our Grand Vizier, in the middle of a war! His position inspires every mad pretender and their mercenary legions! No more! The Majlis made a mistake with al-Muhsin, in accepting any Jizrunid to take the throne! I say no more! I propose:

The Deposition and Reorganization Act

1. Depose and arrest Sultan Ali as a traitor.
2. Institute the direct rule of the Majlis over Al-Andalus. (as a Noble Republic or something, this is still debatable).

Lord Cyrahzax, Frionnel.

Soup du Jour posted:

Proposing the Defense in Depth act, to upgrade all our forts to the highest level as soon as possible starting with those closest to our coastal borders. If possible, we should also have forts in every state at the least.

Soup du Jour, GunnerJ.

Talas posted:

I propose the gently caress It, Take More Loans Act.

After losing our ~~piggy banks~~ colonies, we are in serious need of more ~~gold~~ stuff, a new navy, new buildings, and a new Grand Vizier with a head on his shoulders. Sadly, we are going to have to let some debts go into default... and well, take some more with some ~~dubious~~ awesome merchants. I mean, we are going to need more money just to have a ~~revolution~~ functional government.

Talas, QuoProQuid.

MaxieSatan posted:

Friends, though I will not endorse their proposals ~~openly~~, those calling for revolution are wise to see that we have a choice before us: innovate or die. We cannot continue digging ourselves deeper into the same hole and expecting it to turn out fine; we must take this opportunity to truly realign our goals and right this wayward ship we call a sultanate.

I do not say this lightly; with the loss of our Gharbian empire, I, and indeed the entire Makshi family, have lost a fortune - no doubt the same is true for many of you. But Sevilla remains the gateway to Mediterranean trade, and Andalusia remains a golden land - should we succumb to hopelessness when we still have so much left to fight for?!

To this end, I propose the Administrative and Economic Restructure Act, or, if you prefer something more poetic, the Midas' Plea Policy. It goes as follows:

1) Reform the economy to incorporate new ideas such as free markets and centralized banking. By doing so we may stabilize inflation and increase revenue.
2) Enact austerity policies with regards to construction, the military, and any other drains on the economy. Especially forts, of which we surely have plenty in strategic areas - sufficient troops not so much.

Gentlemen, the future of this country is as ceramic thrust straight from the kiln and into your hands. Accept it though it may pain you, or let it fall to the ground and shatter.

MaxieSatan.

none yet.

paragon1 posted:

Hit the Books Act

All tech types must be advanced as far as they can possibly go, barring ruinous expense.
All Majlis entertainment and recreation budgets are to be reduced by 4/5ths.
No tequila, no partying.

paragon1, Pakled, Danny Glands.

mcclay posted:

Restoration of Order Act
1. All loans must be paid off before any buildings are to be built
2. Once the loans are paid off Town Halls must be built in the states with the highest maintenance and most autonomy.

mcclay, Jeoh.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:24

Lord Cyrahzax: Oct 11, 2012

Hashim posted:

These wouldn't usually be allowed (because it ordinarily makes no sense to purposely tank your country), but I'll allow them for now because Al Andalus is in a very weak and precarious position, and I'd like to know how much of the Majlis is with or against the sultan (since, you know, he's kinda mad). These next few years are going to be critical.

Also, if AJImpy is still set on converting back to Sunni Islam, he's now free to put it up as a policy again. That'll be useful in gauging how much of the Majlis are actually crypto-Sunnis.

Guys, we can do it now, let's rev up the revolution!

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:29

Slaan: Mar 16, 2009; ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

I propose the Godless Heathens Act

1. The Ulema will be disbanded at the next session of the Majils.

2. Mosques and religiously affiliated buildings will be sold off first in the event we need to for payment of our debts. No new religious buildings may be constructed.

You throw away the Word of Allah, then his followers will no longer support this realm. Let's see how much worse you do without even the presence of his followers.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:31

Crazycryodude: Aug 15, 2015; Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

The time has long passed for such half measures. Al-Andalus was betrayed during this war, not just by Hishami dogs or the Archduke of Sausage, but by our own Sultan! In a fit of pique and madness, he murdered our Grand Vizier, in the middle of a war! His position inspires every mad pretender and their mercenary legions! No more! The Majlis made a mistake with al-Muhsin, in accepting any Jizrunid to take the throne! I say no more! I propose:

The Deposition and Reorganization Act

1. Depose and arrest Sultan Ali as a traitor.

2. Institute the direct rule of the Majlis over Al-Andalus. (as a Noble Republic or something, this is still debatable).

Agreed, let's tank this poo poo into the ground and hopefully get the Revolution to fire.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:32

Ralepozozaxe: Sep 6, 2010; A Veritable Smorgasbord!

Talas posted:

I propose the gently caress It, Take More Loans Act.

After losing our ~~piggy banks~~ colonies, we are in serious need of more ~~gold~~ stuff, a new navy, new buildings, and a new Grand Vizier with a head on his shoulders. Sadly, we are going to have to let some debts go into default... and well, take some more with some ~~dubious~~ awesome merchants. I mean, we are going to need more money just to have a ~~revolution~~ functional government.

Ah hell yeah, always a price motherpluckers!

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:34

Rody One Half: Feb 18, 2011

Lord Cyrahzax posted:

The Deposition and Reorganization Act

Backing my boy the heart ripper by the way.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:35

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 18:54

Pakled: Aug 6, 2011; WE ARE SMART

Guys, if we have a revolution now it's going to be harder to become Communist later

# ? Oct 26, 2017 23:40

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