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to add to the QM match making, 3 supports, 1 assasin, 1 specialist vs. 2 tanks/supports/assassin Guess which team won in a group of Stukov/Ana/Tyrande/Malthael/Abathur vs. Illidan/Etc/Stitches/Lili/Ana
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Yukari posted:Wasn't block already useless against certain other heroes before Tracer existed? (ie Tassadar can strip them and so can Tychus?) Tass used to have a normal auto attack and the beam was a talent you could choose (his remake didn't come until after tracer had long been released). Tychus has always had high attack speed but the fact that he has to stay still and only has half the attack speed of tracer makes a big difference. Edit: there were always heroes against which block was useless (i.e. Kael), its just that many of the overwatch heroes nullify the usefulness of the talent so completely that they can dictate whether or not you should take it even when there are people on the enemy team it would be useful against. BattleHamster fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Oct 26, 2017 22:30
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I guess they did it, I'm playing unranked draft now instead of QM where the bad matchmaking is about the wild skill disparities between players on the same team.
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Oct 26, 2017 22:30
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It's been a while since I dismissed other folks' game mode decisions as inferior. Only play TL on Discord
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Oct 26, 2017 22:46
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Man, what is it about HotS streams that makes Twitch freak the gently caress out? It's literally unwatchable in Firefox for me, just straight stopping (no buffering indication or anything) after less than a minute of play. If I watch in Chrome, it's better, but I'm still experiencing stutters and stops and I just want to watch Koreans faceroll people. I know that part of it is my very poor Canadian internet connection speed, but looking at chat it's not just me.
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Oct 26, 2017 22:51
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bio347 posted:Man, what is it about HotS streams that makes Twitch freak the gently caress out? It's literally unwatchable in Firefox for me, just straight stopping (no buffering indication or anything) after less than a minute of play. If I watch in Chrome, it's better, but I'm still experiencing stutters and stops and I just want to watch Koreans faceroll people. Try putting it on 720 instead of auto, if you haven't. Fixed it for me when I had issues during the broadcast of the previous tournament.
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Oct 26, 2017 23:00
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Star posted:Try putting it on 720 instead of auto, if you haven't. Fixed it for me when I had issues during the broadcast of the previous tournament. Anyway, Koreans facerolled like they're gonna and it makes me feel very bad about my own videogame-playing skills.
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Oct 26, 2017 23:07
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Is it only the big HGC type stuff? If so, try popping out the player/closing chat and see if it changes anything? Whatever addon I have installed on chrome completely breaks official HotS chat for me because of their weird Bits integration thing they have, so there is definitely something extra running on their chatrooms.
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Oct 26, 2017 23:41
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Yeah, it's only been the HGC stuff. I probably should've considered that before, but messing with permissions seems to have fixed it. Much appreciated! As commentary on the watching: Tempo Storm bad. Wow. A bit of a self-esteem boost after MVPB wrecked it earlier.
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Oct 26, 2017 23:52
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Seebach posted:to add to the QM match making, 3 supports, 1 assasin, 1 specialist vs. 2 tanks/supports/assassin "It was Muradin, Xul, Nova, Tyrande, Sylvanas against Ana, Lucio, Dehaka, Li-Ming, Zeratul. I guess It's misleading to say 0 supports cause tyrande technically counts, but against lucio ana it seemed unfair  "This has to be a bug. I wonder what happened. No QM for me until they fix it.
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Oct 26, 2017 23:55
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No Wave posted:I guess they did it, I'm playing unranked draft now instead of QM where the bad matchmaking is about the wild skill disparities between players on the same team. or whether or not they want to "fill" Really wish blizzard would allow you to que in TL and UD as the role you want to play as.
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Oct 26, 2017 23:58
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i play vs ai it's all fine down here  (actually i haven't played yet today but i doubt it would make much of a difference)
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Oct 27, 2017 00:54
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Well, at least Tempo Storm didn't get taken out by a team from the minor regions. They played so bad that first game, the casters pretty much had to restrain themselves from saying they poo poo the bed.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:12
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Psalm played block Kerrigan and carried, then KelThuzard and carried. Good series!
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Oct 27, 2017 01:14
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Yeah! The thing is with Tempo Storm is that I root for them, and they generally do well in general league play. Then they get knocked out super early in every lan.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:15
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Ok Psalm just took block on Kerrigan into Tassadar. This proves that block is worth even if you only get value off of it sometimes.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:57
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Gobbeldygook posted:They silently changed QM matchmaking with the hotfix. There can now be a bruiser like d.va or sonya on one team without the other team having one. It has happened to me four times since the hotfix at both on and off-peak hours. This is tolerable when it's otherwise an all assassin/all spec clown fiesta but is bullshit when there are supports. This is not new at all. It's been a thing since before D.va was in the game, there is no bruiser matching rule. It's not a stealth change, it's a rule that has been standing since at least March. On the topic of Mercy breaking Overwatch, is there somewhere I can't read a summary of this? I haven't played/followed OW since basically launch and I don't want to make this thread about it but it sounds morbidly interesting.
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Oct 27, 2017 04:41
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Seebach posted:I don't see Maiev in this group. That would be because Maiev is a D-list character at best. Nobody gives a poo poo about her.
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Oct 27, 2017 05:08
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Nevermind, realized who I was responding to.
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Mind over Matter posted:This is not new at all. It's been a thing since before D.va was in the game, there is no bruiser matching rule. It's not a stealth change, it's a rule that has been standing since at least March. Either of the two non-meme Overwatch threads have rundowns but so you don't have to go poring through a bunch of other stuff, the tl;dr version is this: 1). Mercy's old ult was a big mass rez that would resurrect any dead players whose "souls" were lingering in a pretty big area, it worked through walls and didn't require LoS. So what would happen is that Mercy would get ult, go hide in a corner, her team would have a 5v6 fight, and if they died she'd press Q and everything the other team did would be instantly invalidated. At launch this was OP, it got tuned down so it was merely annoying. Mercy hasn't really been top tier since those early days. As a character she has/had a lot of issues, from having a low skill ceiling without a ton of room for really skillful players to grow, abilities that encouraged passivity, and literally nobody liked pulling off a sick five-man kill only to hear "Helden Sterben Nicht!" because nobody killed the annoying angel lady first. 2). So Blizzard recently reworked her by changing her ult to a Super Sayan mode where she gets 20 second of turbocharged abilities plus literal free-flight, and turned rez into a regular basic ability on a 30 second cooldown that requires LoS and close proximity and only works on one person at a time. The idea was to make her more proactive, and also do away with the big five-man rezzes in favor of something more tempo based. 3). It turns out that being able to negate one kill every teamfight, and more while you're ulting (because her ult also knocked rez cooldown to 10 seconds) is really, really fuckin good. So good that Mercy has like a 70-80% winrate against teams not running a Mercy. Imagine if a character in HotS had an 80% winrate. In Overwatch both teams can have a character so instead of a complete shitshow it's redeemed only by the fact that both teams can have a Mercy, and in fact basically need one to achieve parity. 4). A bunch of Mercy mains still complained about their favorite hero being "nerfed" because Blizzard according to them only caters to DPS mains.
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Gobbeldygook posted:It looks like QM matchmaking rules were all completely eliminated by the hot fix patch. From reddit: I got Stitches, Garrosh, Ana, Malfurion, and Tyrande vs. Hammer, Jaina, Murky, Greymane, and Nova (me) earlier. Hammer had 18 deaths and we never even reached level 10 before our core was down. Only Jaina and Hammer were grouped. QM matchmaking seems completely screwed.
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Oct 27, 2017 06:06
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I had a pretty good time playing games with tcjimbo and other goons, so that was nice.
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Gaardean posted:I got Stitches, Garrosh, Ana, Malfurion, and Tyrande vs. Hammer, Jaina, Murky, Greymane, and Nova (me) earlier. Hammer had 18 deaths and we never even reached level 10 before our core was down. Only Jaina and Hammer were grouped. QM matchmaking seems completely screwed. 18 deaths on anything doesn't sound like a matchmaking problem, no matter how unfair the comps were.
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Overwatch heroes that are too similar to current HoTS characters to add would make good skins for said characters. Like a Stitches-Roadhog could spew toxic radioactive gas instead of bile. And who's going to question a big old hug from Papa Hog? There is already a Widowmaker skin for Nova in game so it has precedence. Soldier 76 would work for Raynor too. Also lots of Mercy hate up in this place, very unchill. 
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The problem with that logic is that skinning nova to look like widow when they both have the same body type is easy. You would need a completely new skeleton and frame for hog and 76 Hog also has a scrap gun and a ult that stitches can’t replicate while 76 has a run and aoe heal
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Oct 27, 2017 13:35
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Scrap gun and Slam are kinda similar, I guess, though it would be a little weird if Hog only used his gun once every eight seconds or whatever. Agreed that the ult doesn't translate at all.
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Oct 27, 2017 13:46
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Why couldn’t Torb come to HOTS as a specialist? It’s just gazlowe with one turret
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So just how toxic is Hero League? I've been playing QM since launch, and the occasional unranked, but I kinda want to go to the next level. My problem is if it's as bad as League of Legends where I'll be getting a constant rain of "UNINSTALL (insert racist/homophobic/antisemetic slur here)" I'll pass.
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Oct 27, 2017 14:38
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Seebach posted:The problem with that logic is that skinning nova to look like widow when they both have the same body type is easy. Hog and Stitches are both rubenesque enough to match up. And Soldier 76 has an AOE heal but that could just be Raynor's self heal. It's not perfect but I'd prefer skins to blatant overlap just to put in new characters.
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Talmonis posted:So just how toxic is Hero League? I've been playing QM since launch, and the occasional unranked, but I kinda want to go to the next level. My problem is if it's as bad as League of Legends where I'll be getting a constant rain of "UNINSTALL (insert racist/homophobic/antisemetic slur here)" I'll pass. It's mostly fine. You'll see people do a ton of stupid poo poo and pick the worst heroes but actual raging doesn't happen much.
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Talmonis posted:So just how toxic is Hero League? I've been playing QM since launch, and the occasional unranked, but I kinda want to go to the next level. My problem is if it's as bad as League of Legends where I'll be getting a constant rain of "UNINSTALL (insert racist/homophobic/antisemetic slur here)" I'll pass. Most important thing in HL is to NEVER give advice, instructions like "stay in base" and danger pings are fine but telling someone to "be more careful" or to "work on their positioning" is inviting disaster. No Wave fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Trast posted:Hog and Stitches are both rubenesque enough to match up. And Soldier 76 has an AOE heal but that could just be Raynor's self heal. It's not perfect but I'd prefer skins to blatant overlap just to put in new characters. But all they share is a hook. Stitches and hog are unique enough to warrant both being in hots. Same for 76.
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Well yeah, things like "be more careful" or "work on your positioning" are really just backhanded insults and will be perceived as such.
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Oct 27, 2017 15:16
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Yeah, the inclusion of one dumb hook character should not preclude the inclusion of a second, cooler hook character.
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Talmonis posted:So just how toxic is Hero League? I've been playing QM since launch, and the occasional unranked, but I kinda want to go to the next level. My problem is if it's as bad as League of Legends where I'll be getting a constant rain of "UNINSTALL (insert racist/homophobic/antisemetic slur here)" I'll pass. Team league 5-stack with Discord. Literally never heard anyone curse anyone out, even with 4 random pubbies and myself. /join teamleague and /join team league to find a group (as well as SAGoons, obvs) I've played 706 TL games, and I'd say in perhaps 1% of them had someone rage quit Discord, which it seems people do instead of screeching/cursing at you. You know the game will be tough when they do that 5 minutes into a game, but it's a rarity, and they very rarely actually rage quit the match itself. The only time someone did that was a goon 
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Seebach posted:But all they share is a hook. Soldier:76 would be like Q: Fire helix rockets - skill shot with knock-back on a short cooldown. W: Drop healing totem E: Sprint - basically Rehgar's mount trait R1: Visor - auto attack constantly while moving, reload goes down to .15 seconds - like Lili's Jug but for auto attacks. R2: ??? D: Uses ammo rather than mana, .5 second reload time between clips.
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Ignite Memories posted:Yeah, the inclusion of one dumb hook character should not preclude the inclusion of a second, cooler hook character. I'll happily play a HoTS Roadhog who hooks and evaporates squishie assassins.
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Oct 27, 2017 15:40
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One hook character is already one too many. Though I will admit that Roadhog would be interesting if only to try a hook character who isn't disgusting to have on screen.
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Oct 27, 2017 15:53
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Trast posted:I'll happily play a HoTS Roadhog who hooks and evaporates squishie assassins. Q: Fire ball of scrap, if it hit someone it does a little bit of damage but if it explodes on it's own it does his AA attack a bit of the way out there W: hook (steal from Stitches) E: huff paint (steal from Chen, but restores life instead of giving shields) R1: whole hog - pushback and aoe damage - this would be way OP R2: ?? His AA would have to be a close range aoe cone like genji's shuriken but with 9 projectiles- poo poo loads of damage at point blank range but less the further out you go.
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