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Toshimo posted:Core WoW/Warcraft omissions: I don't see Maiev in this group.
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No naga sea witch, no sale
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Oct 26, 2017 17:37
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Dietrich posted:Not attacking while moving in a moba was and still is a dumb fuckin idea Having to choose between maximizing mobility or dps makes for more interesting gameplay that just clicking around randomly like a monkey while your hero shoots for you
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Oct 26, 2017 18:05
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Kai Tave posted:There is no way Overwatch fails in the way you're hoping and literally every Overwatch character will be added to HotS eventually. Overwatch isn't even playable right now, the Mercy changes basically broke the entire competitive scene in half. If they are going to add more Overwatch poo poo they need to start being more flexible in their kits. Tracer/Genji still make like, 1/2 the cast straight up unviable just by existing in a match. Orange Crush Rush fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Oct 26, 2017 |
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Oct 26, 2017 18:12
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Overwatch isn't even playable right now, the Mercy changes basically broke the entire competitive scene in half. Lol comp overwatch is bad anyway
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Oct 26, 2017 18:17
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Gustav posted:Having to choose between maximizing mobility or dps makes for more interesting gameplay that just clicking around randomly like a monkey while your hero shoots for you This is very similar in spirit to the argument that last hitting makes for more interesting gameplay than just soaking experience. I'd rather encourage the players to focus on positioning, cooldown management, dodging skill-shots and map awareness than having them spend brain cycles on stutter stepping in and out of counter attack range as the barrier to higher level play.
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Junkrat's very different from OW, he plays almost opposite (he does sustained damage in this game, confusingly enough), so we're definitely making progress on that end. Starting with D Va things started getting better in terms of being less literal.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:22
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Overwatch isn't even playable right now, the Mercy changes basically broke the entire competitive scene in half. lol this casual "plays" overwatch It's a lootbox game, that's why it's successful You have thousands of people paying real money for loot boxes every few weeks when an event rolls around, who cares if the competitive scene is broken
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Oct 26, 2017 18:23
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Fried Watermelon posted:lol this casual "plays" overwatch I can't tell if you're acting like a oval office or just are one. Blizzard does care about the competitive scene whether you are capable of admitting it or not. They are slow to roll out changes on the game as evidenced by how long they left original mercy the same.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:28
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Fried Watermelon posted:lol this casual "plays" overwatch I mean as far as the bottom line goes, yeah Overwatch is literally a license to print money and thats never going away. But Blizzard did seem to want Overwatch to become the next big E-SPORT and pretty much everything at the top end is crashing and burning due to odd balance/design like whatever the gently caress they were thinking with this Mercy rework. Also I hate the fact that Overwatch has taken a hold of HoTS so much I'm talking about it in the HoTS thread.
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Dietrich posted:This is very similar in spirit to the argument that last hitting makes for more interesting gameplay than just soaking experience. I'd rather encourage the players to focus on positioning, cooldown management, dodging skill-shots and map awareness than having them spend brain cycles on stutter stepping in and out of counter attack range as the barrier to higher level play. Stutter stepping still slows you down though. For non-Overwatch heroes those autoattacks aren't free, you still have to stand still for a moment to make them. How many times have to died trying to get that one autoattack in while running away, or have someone get just outside ability range because you stutter stepped instead of just running after them?
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Dietrich posted:This is very similar in spirit to the argument that last hitting makes for more interesting gameplay than just soaking experience. I'd rather encourage the players to focus on positioning, cooldown management, dodging skill-shots and map awareness than having them spend brain cycles on stutter stepping in and out of counter attack range as the barrier to higher level play.
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Oct 26, 2017 18:31
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Seebach posted:I don't see Maiev in this group. You never see Maiev until it's too late. 
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I hope they never add Maiev because she'll encourage players to never stop chasing
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Macaluso posted:I hope they never add Maiev because she'll encourage players to never stop chasing only Illidan though
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Orange Crush Rush posted:Overwatch isn't even playable right now, the Mercy changes basically broke the entire competitive scene in half. Part of me is kind of convinced they made the changes they did so that she'd fit easier in HotS. Or at least on a whiteboard somewhere that was one of the reasons.
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I think Auriel has proven that resurrection is not a mechanic the devs would actually like to have in this game.
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Macaluso posted:Lol comp overwatch is bad anyway Good news, Mercy makes casual Overwatch just as insufferable. Eventually she'll find a way to make HotS demonstrably worse as well I'm sure.
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Dietrich posted:This is very similar in spirit to the argument that last hitting makes for more interesting gameplay than just soaking experience. I'd rather encourage the players to focus on positioning, cooldown management, dodging skill-shots and map awareness than having them spend brain cycles on stutter stepping in and out of counter attack range as the barrier to higher level play. the whole game was made knowing there would be no last hitting, tracer was just added to sell copies of OW when it came out not to mention at the time there was poo poo in the game balanced around soaking hits instead of damage, and they decided to add a character with a ridiculous attack speed
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hawowanlawow posted:the whole game was made knowing there would be no last hitting, tracer was just added to sell copies of OW when it came out Hell Block is still in the game and it's still pretty much useless against Tracer
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Pls don't take my block away from me, it's my favorite talent on my two favorite ladies... I'll accept it being useless sometimes and love it all the same.
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Wasn't block already useless against certain other heroes before Tracer existed? (ie Tassadar can strip them and so can Tychus?)
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Yeah I can't blame Tracer for this one. Tracer's issues are mostly the mobility and the self-cleanse/escape, exacerbated by how easy it is to mitigate her atrocious sustain given how good supports are.
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also, chromie's temporal loop seems tailor loving made to counter tracer, but for some reason it cleanses off. dragon time magic should totally trump whatever trinket tracer uses and it's pretty lame that junkrat's ult gets him out of temporal loop
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So is Diablo considered a viable solo tank/warrior? I thought he was more of a bruiser type, where you'd still want a real main tank.
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At this point I'm pretty sure Diablo is the one you pick if you can't get Garrosh/Varain/ETC. If you can get one of those then stay the gently caress away from Diablo.
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New Muradin seems really good. His hotlogs score is mediocre but he's been a terror on the blue or red team every time I've seen him.
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Seebach posted:I can't tell if you're acting like a oval office or just are one. You are who you pretend to be
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Diablo can solo tank in a pinch, he has good hp and sustain, but you have to play him pretty differently from how most people want to play him. If you Q in vs 5 people they either nuke you down or just run past you and slaughter your team.
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Butcher just picked in HGC by MVPBlack in a Tracer-Butcher-Tyrael double support comp (typing that made me feel sick) They won, but were dramatically favored going in
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MisterZimbu posted:I say it every drat time but The Car from Rock 'n Roll Racing please Amen. To both points.
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Gustav posted:Diablo can solo tank in a pinch, he has good hp and sustain, but you have to play him pretty differently from how most people want to play him. If you Q in vs 5 people they either nuke you down or just run past you and slaughter your team. Yeah and this is exactly what kept happening. Like if someone bypasses Muradin/Jo/ETC/Garrosh/Anub you can pretty easily turn around and stun/toss/pull then off of your squishers. Diablo is out of luck unless he happens to be close enough to overpower them, or happens to have the right angle on his q to not just shove the red right into the person you're trying to peel for.
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its weird that I've been watching both overwatch and hots on Disney (my secret wishes to have a hots or overwatch movie by disney pixar and blizzard sound more plausible every day)
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appropriatemetaphor posted:Yeah and this is exactly what kept happening. Like if someone bypasses Muradin/Jo/ETC/Garrosh/Anub you can pretty easily turn around and stun/toss/pull then off of your squishers. Diablo is out of luck unless he happens to be close enough to overpower them, or happens to have the right angle on his q to not just shove the red right into the person you're trying to peel for. Well you say "happens to", but being well positioned in relation to your and the enemy team is basically your one job as a solo tank.
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Diablo is fine as a solo tank if your comp is able to self-peel decently. He's got the engagement ability your tank needs, and can peel if someone gets into trouble, but he's no ETC. Like, he wouldn't be my first choice but he's not solo tank Artanis either.
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Gustav posted:Well you say "happens to", but being well positioned in relation to your and the enemy team is basically your one job as a solo tank. Haha, well yeah, just lost a few TL games because that was not happening. Like Diablo is a bit higher on the skill needed to be a solo tank, as opposed to others is what I meant.
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Diabo, Stitches, Garrosh all seem to require a different playstyle where you take your time approaching an objective then start engagements by grabbing someone in a convenient position instead of having one group of 5 players walk into the other group of 5 players. Idk if this ever actually happens at any level of play, people seem really committed to their big brawls.
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Gustav posted:I don't care what she looks like as long as she has all her iconic abilities, such as letting you rewatch the Wrathgate cutscene and... hmmm... stand on top of a big tower. What else does she do again? gently caress Her card in Hearthstone actually has a really cool battlecry: “Set a player’s remaining health to 15.” It’s been a solid pick in plenty of burn decks because you can either use her offensively to strip the enemy’s health to burst range or defensively to give yourself a buffer of health when you’re in danger.
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That's a good point, that actually sounds like a very interesting ability in this game.
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Gustav posted:I don't care what she looks like as long as she has all her iconic abilities, such as letting you rewatch the Wrathgate cutscene and... hmmm... stand on top of a big tower. What else does she do again? gently caress --- They silently changed QM matchmaking with the hotfix. There can now be a bruiser like d.va or sonya on one team without the other team having one. It has happened to me four times since the hotfix at both on and off-peak hours. This is tolerable when it's otherwise an all assassin/all spec clown fiesta but is bullshit when there are supports.
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