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Raskolnikov38 posted:I ain’t your shock troop buddy. be better if you want our help You say that like I’m not asking you to be side by side. Where you see condescension, I’m telling you “we’ve got something here.” If I’m not communicating that well, I apologize. Kilroy posted:If you want leftists to work with you, support some loving leftist causes. I’m from the labor movement. We support leftist causes. This is astounding.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Oh gently caress you guys, seriously. The Republicans elected loving Trump and you idiots are still so obsessed with ideological purity that you'd rather let another loving right-wing white supremacist win an election than hold your loving nose for five goddamn minutes. And you wonder why the left can't win loving elections. Meanwhile the evangelicals and radical nationalists will march out lockstep for poo poo they want even if the guy they vote for is literally the antithesis of all of their purported beliefs. There's a reason why the whole Republicans=march in lockstep Democrats=Circular firing range thing is an old joke.
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Archonex posted:Meanwhile the evangelicals and radical nationalists will march out lockstep for poo poo they want even if the guy they vote for is literally the antithesis of all of their purported beliefs. Seriously https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4 As true then as it is now
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It should be noted that the good work of governance is not particularly exciting and politicians that excite as much as room temp water and are nominally for the continued existence of the people of the Republic are worth supporting. Not the party or the government itself mind you, the people.
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Lightning Knight posted:Michael Bennet (D-CO) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) propose massive expansion of tax benefits for parents. This would greatly reduce child poverty rates.  Turning certain tax credits into a sort of UBI-lite is something I've been thinking about a lot lately and I'm glad to see that someone out there agrees with me. We should do the same for the standard deduction and possibly personal exemptions as well.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:And you wonder why the left can't win loving elections.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Oh gently caress you guys, seriously. The Republicans elected loving Trump and you idiots are still so obsessed with ideological purity that you'd rather let another loving right-wing white supremacist win an election than hold your loving nose for five goddamn minutes. And you wonder why the left can't win loving elections. Because the center keeps running slaveowners?
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Oh gently caress you guys, seriously. The Republicans elected loving Trump and you idiots are still so obsessed with ideological purity that you'd rather let another loving right-wing white supremacist win an election than hold your loving nose for five goddamn minutes. And you wonder why the left can't win loving elections. Why should I vote for a Democrat who's almost as happy as Republicans to let my medical bills kill me? If a Democrat actually runs with a message of helping those in need in an appreciable way then I'll vote for them. If they don't then no loving surprise they don't get votes unwantedplatypus fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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unwantedplatypus posted:Why should I vote for Democrats when they're almost as happy as Republicans to let my medical bills kill me? You shouldn't, assuming that's correct.
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unwantedplatypus posted:Why should I vote for Democrats when they're almost as happy as Republicans to let my medical bills kill me? Hold your loving nose for five minutes and vote for the party that continues to move further right
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unwantedplatypus posted:Why should I vote for Democrats when they're just as happy as Republicans to let my medical bills kill me? Voting Rights Civil Rights Education Infrastructure National Parks Clean Air Clean Water Clean Energy Climate Change Urban Development Criminal Justice Reform Drug decriminalization Foreign policy Business Regulation Functional government Not white supremacists I could go on
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Neither republicans nor democrats can be trusted They're both shambling corpses that have been parasitized by the wealthy elites.
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theCalamity posted:Hold your loving nose for five minutes and vote for the party that continues to move further right I'm not sure "further right" accurately describes the current malaise. white sauce posted:Neither republicans nor democrats can be trusted Yeah, this is more right than wrong.
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RuanGacho posted:I'm not sure "further right" accurately describes the current malaise. Hold your loving nose and vote for the party that is solidly center-right and has no inclination to moving left?
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Look, the left is putting up some solid candidates in the lower levels, and it's awesome, because they're getting into the mix. They're gonna replace Centrist Retread #7 over time - not overnight. These same leftists aren't winning primaries. The deck wasn't stacked against Perriello, but he went out there, and he didn't just go home. He endorsed Northam, and he showed up at the labor fed this past Saturday to get people stoked for Northam/Fairfax/Herring. There's people out here doing the work, and they're on your side, and I'm on your side, and the people I work with and work for are on your side. We all want better candidates, but we also don't want people who go out of their way to kill you, as opposed to people suddenly realizing you're going to die. I want better. You want better. Republicans winning don't make your chances better, they just make your life worse. I'm typing this in 2017, where living proof is coming at us every hour.
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theCalamity posted:Hold your loving nose and vote for the party that is solidly center-right and has no inclination to moving left? The party is bad and broken, the answer is to seize it from those that perpetuate the injustice, we have to take one of them and I say we try the one that is nominally ok with people existing and minding their own business. Your Boy Fancy posted:Look, the left is putting up some solid candidates in the lower levels, and it's awesome, because they're getting into the mix. They're gonna replace Centrist Retread #7 over time - not overnight. This is important to internalize too.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Look, the left is putting up some solid candidates in the lower levels, and it's awesome, because they're getting into the mix. They're gonna replace Centrist Retread #7 over time - not overnight.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Seriously, I've spent the vast majority of the past year working various positions in the DOI and you're out of your loving mind if you think there's no difference between Democratic and Republican administrations As a US Marine that served under a republican and then a democratic president, I can tell you there was no difference between the two 
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You can scream endlessly into the void all you want, shame wont bring voters back to the democrats. We just had an election strategy based on going "look how bad he is? Do you want to be like him????" And it turns out that's a bad strategy when people either are voting in a private booth or just aren't voting. As it turns out, lesser evil isn't a valid way to get out the vote, and all the charts and graphs in the world won't change that. Democrats need something actually appealing to attract people, and if not leftist policy, then what? It's far easier to force a party to appeal to the voters than to force the voters to appeal to a party. The former naturally occurs by way of someone eventually realizing that they need a hook.
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Weird how the centrist liberal argument in here is the same as in real life, when your go-to party is in shambles you blame other people for not compromising. A compromise has two sides and the democratic party hasn't given anything at all to the left. They are telling the left to eat poo poo and like it and you expect them to gobble it up
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unwantedplatypus posted:Why should I vote for a Democrat who's almost as happy as Republicans to let my medical bills kill me? Holy poo poo the Dems literally, to a wo/man resisted all Republican attempts to repeal the ACA this past year and if just ONE had been a Republican instead then literally millions would have been kicked off whatever little piece of insurance they had. A couple thousand New Hampshire voters deciding that yes, a Dem senator would be better better than the Republican literally saved the lives of thousands.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Oh gently caress you guys, seriously. The Republicans elected loving Trump and you idiots are still so obsessed with ideological purity that you'd rather let another loving right-wing white supremacist win an election than hold your loving nose for five goddamn minutes. And you wonder why the left can't win loving elections. Who, exactly, are you talking to? Be specific. Because there are a lot of leftists here who do hold our noses for five minutes and vote for the lesser of two evils. white sauce posted:As a US Marine that served under a republican and then a democratic president, I can tell you there was no difference between the two I get the point you're making, and I agree with the broader theme that there isn't enough of a difference. But as someone who has worked in arms control for years, I can tell you that there actually is a difference. It should be a greater difference, but still, it's there and it's really important. Majorian fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Holy poo poo the Dems literally, to a wo/man resisted all Republican attempts to repeal the ACA this past year and if just ONE had been a Republican instead then literally millions would have been kicked off whatever little piece of insurance they had. A couple thousand New Hampshire voters deciding that yes, a Dem senator would be better better than the Republican literally saved the lives of thousands.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:Weird how the centrist liberal argument in here is the same as in real life, when your go-to party is in shambles you blame other people for not compromising. A compromise has two sides and the democratic party hasn't given anything at all to the left. They are telling the left to eat poo poo and like it and you expect them to gobble it up Is that what i said? I’m working toward less bad here. I don’t understand what appears to be an insistence upon all or nothing. That isn’t helping anyone, honestly. I’m not sure what, or who, it serves. Is it really better to do nothing? Is that the play?
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Motto posted:If you think that there's a massive population of leftists that constitute the main source of dems electoral issues, then you really need to take a break from online politics. The population at large is consistently to the left of the democratic party on issues like healthcare, at the very least. If they weren't a hollowed out corrupt shell of a party and pursued things like UHC in good faith, a large amount of people who stayed home in the last election would probably have come out to vote for them.
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tekz posted:The population at large is consistently to the left of the democratic party on issues like healthcare, at the very least. If they weren't a hollowed out corrupt shell of a party and pursued things like UHC in good faith, a large amount of people who stayed home in the last election would probably have come out to vote for them. And now it’s 2017. What are you doing to achieve those aims?
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Is that what i said? Bro people are too busy trying not to be destitute to pay attention to the millionaire circus that are elections
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This is a really important post. Unions have only recently won the right to unionize employees misclassified as temp workers, and still are struggling for "independent contractors". This is the 21st century labor fight in a nutshell.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Is that what i said? I mean it's kinda rich to pretend like it's a matter of "all or nothing" when the dems largely can't even manage to give "something." Why are leftists, and only leftists, expected to compromise? Because that's what the loving line has been for over a drat year now.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:And now it’s 2017. What are you doing to achieve those aims? If it makes you feel better, C-spam crossposters ITT are quite likely active on the local stage. They also had a major DSA recruitment drive and encourage donations towards left candidates.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Is that what i said? For you it appears the only action to take is to support your less bad politicians as if there are no options on the left at all. You've resigned yourself to your own circular worldview that the only possible alternative to Trump (who won because he was a fringe "not possible" candidate) is establishment trash. That is the reason the party is in the state it is in, the outright refusal to change. It's great you work for labor unions but don't pretend that's all the left has in direct action. It's nonsense and you know it.
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Majorian posted:Who, exactly, are you talking to? Be specific. Because there are a lot of leftists here who do hold our noses for five minutes and vote for the lesser of two evils. I mean it was Kilroy and Rask, mostly, as it's just so frustrating to see someone like Fancy who's putting in a ton of work on the ground get poo poo on. I mean, look, I get it-the Democratic Party is an absolute trash fire in a lot of ways, and I can understand the concerns-and if this was a primary, then by all means, let the Dems have it. But this isn't a primary, it's a general, and the choice between the parties right now could not be more stark. I've got a friend in Puerto Rico who doesn't have power. I'm doing work for agencies that are dying under budget cuts and hiring freeze. The idea that people are still arguing that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans is just absolutely baffling, and the continued ideological obstinance by some-not all, certainly not all-to is utterly frustrating as all hell. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean it was Kilroy and Rask, mostly, as it's just so frustrating to see someone like Fancy who's putting in a ton of work on the ground get poo poo on. I mean, look, I get it-the Democratic Party is an absolute trash fire in a lot of ways, and I can understand the concerns-and if this was a primary, then by all means, let the Dems have it. But this isn't a primary, it's a general, and the choice between the parties right now could not be more stark. I've got a friend in Puerto Rico who doesn't have power. I'm doing work for agencies that are dying under budget cuts and hiring freeze. The idea that people are still arguing that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans is just absolutely baffling, and the refusal by some-not all, certainly not all-is utterly frustrating as all hell. Democrats aren't the same as Republicans. They are worse
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