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Accession. DS9 writers, it's not Bashir/Garak slashfic you should have been worried about, it's Bashir/O'Brien. We hardly ever see Miles and Keiko do anything but grudgingly tolerate each others' presence while O'Brien and Bashir seem to be practically soulmates, and what's more Keiko seems to know it. The dramatic and story potential of this episode's core idea, I think, was wasted by making the ?Emissary? guy an rear end in a top hat and one of his followers flat out murders a man for being of an unclean caste who didn't respect his "station." I appreciate that "caste systems are bad yo" is a point that needs to be made, especially considering places like India and Japan today, but I think the concept of the misguided false Emissary could have been far more interesting if he was a good guy - even a better man than Sisko who wants to fast-track Bajor into the Federation. I think that would have been a much more interesting conflict than what we get in this episode.
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Keiko is happy that her husband has found a best friend. She encourages them to spend time together. Lay off the woman seriously.
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Oct 27, 2017 02:51
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Arglebargle III posted:Keiko is happy that her husband has found a best friend. She encourages them to spend time together. Lay off the woman seriously. Fair enough. On to Rules of Engagement, home to the Klingon lawyer. This episode makes a lot more sense to me after reading a theory that it's based on the shoot down of Iran Air Flight 655 by the USS Vincennes. The year this episode aired was the same year the International Court of Justice issued a settlement on the incident.
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Cythereal posted:Accession. Given how quickly the Bajorans all accepted jerk-rear end Emissary's orders, I get the feeling the Cardassians could have shut down the resistance overnight if Dukat had just announced during the occupation that he was totally the Emissary and the Prophets had decreed everyone should be down with slave labor.
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Arglebargle III posted:Keiko is happy that her husband has found a best friend. She encourages them to spend time together. Lay off the woman seriously. Just a symptom of how alienated and over-sexualized our culture is, that it seems few can see two close male friends without feeling there must be some gay going on.
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Oct 27, 2017 04:12
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Also the part where O'Brien goes, "I love my wife. I just…like…you…more."
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Trip report: DS9 season 7, episode 15 And we're back to ripping off TNG episodes again. Episode 16 "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" I'm not sure what it says when the wheels-within-wheels plot typical of the Romulans succeeds, when it's Section 31 doing the plotting. Episode 17 "Penumbra" I'm not sure how, if Worf breaks Jadzia's bones, Ezri is still alive at all.
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This Voyager episode Unforgettable, where they offer asylum to a runaway from a culture which has outlawed running away and punishes it by tracking you down if you run away and then wiping your memory of the outside world so you're happy to come home. Also their species emits a pheromone that makes anyone who encounters them forget about them a few hours after they're gone. Okay. Tons of opportunity for speechifying and moral grandstanding, oh and also Chakotay wants to bang the runaway. Well turns out the runaway came to them because she used to be a cop, she'd been to Voyager before, and they helped her catch her own runaway and while that was happening she fell in love with Chakotay so that's why she decided to become a runaway herself to be with him. Wait what, the Voyager crew helped her capture a fugitive from her oppressive mind-wipey culture and it was no big deal? Why? What happened to all the morality speechifying, what was different about that guy other than the fact the first officer didn't want to get it on with him?
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Trip report: DS9 season 7, episode 15 Did you actually watch this episode? It's a huge palate cleanser from all the bad poo poo that's been going down. Like, I guess it's a casino? Other similarities: ...?
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VitalSigns posted:What happened to all the morality speechifying, what was different about that guy other than the fact the first officer didn't want to get it on with him? The first one was ugly
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Oct 27, 2017 05:33
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Trip report: DS9 season 7, episode 15 I used to have a lot of respect for that episode just for touching on historical American racism and the white-washing of history. Then I found out the writers only put that scene in because they couldn't think of any other reason why Sisko wouldn't want to drop everything to hang out with the ersatz Rat Pack. Vic should never have appeared after "It's Only a Paper Moon".
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Angry Salami posted:Vic should never have appeared
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Oct 27, 2017 06:18
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I like Vic as a character, I suppose, but I'm generally not a fan of musicals and whenever Vic is around, it means the story is gonna stop for a while to have Vic singing. Might be wrong, since I just tend to hop around DS9, but that's the impression that I always got.
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Oct 27, 2017 06:31
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Vic is cool gently caress the haters
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Oct 27, 2017 06:53
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It would have been a travesty to let the series end without the Sisko singing.
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Oct 27, 2017 06:54
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Vic is great, what is wrong with some of you?
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I fell into a Wikipedia vortex and found out Nichelle Nichols's brother was one of the 39 Heaven's Gate cultists that committed suicide.
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How did you get out, did you decompress the shuttle bay to push you out of the way?
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The universe is a Wikipedia article 172 citations in length.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The universe is a Wikipedia article 172 citations in length. There is definitely something wrong with the universe!
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The Bloop posted:There is definitely something wrong with the universe!  http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/the-universe-shouldnt-exist-according-to-science/
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:The universe is a Wikipedia article 172 citations in length. "It's all perfectly logical to you, isn't it? The two of us posting here on Something Awful. No other goons at all." "We've never needed other goons before."
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Beachcomber posted:Did you actually watch this episode? It's a huge palate cleanser from all the bad poo poo that's been going down. Like, I guess it's a casino? Other similarities: ...? The main one being they have to complete the programmed scenario. Angry Salami posted:I used to have a lot of respect for that episode just for touching on historical American racism and the white-washing of history. Then I found out the writers only put that scene in because they couldn't think of any other reason why Sisko wouldn't want to drop everything to hang out with the ersatz Rat Pack. That scene did seem shoehorned in, kind of out of place to be brooding over something that hasn't been a problem in at least the 300 years since first contact. In the context of Sisko's recent experiences in the world of "Far Beyond the Stars," it has some slim justification maybe, but Kasidy is right and he's being a stick in the mud for no good reason. Beachcomber posted:It would have been a travesty to let the series end without the Sisko singing. Now this I can agree with.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:That scene did seem shoehorned in, kind of out of place to be brooding over something that hasn't been a problem in at least the 300 years since first contact. In the context of Sisko's recent experiences in the world of "Far Beyond the Stars," it has some slim justification maybe, but Kasidy is right and he's being a stick in the mud for no good reason. I think one of the great things about Sisko is that he's African-American to a degree no other Star Trek character is; he's from New Orleans, his dad runs a Creole restaurant. He's very much a product of that specific culture to a degree that other black characters aren't. I think, even without "Far Beyond the Stars", it'd make a lot of sense for him to be sensitive and aware of representations of Black Americans. And, yeah, it's been 300 years in setting, but there's something kind of meta about the scene - that Sisko's saying "Hey, it's not cool to just look at the fun parts of that era and ignore the rest" in an episode that's basically all about having fun in '50s Vegas. The episode wasn't written by people three hundred years in the future, it was written by people within living memory of segregation. I feel the fact that the episode then dismisses those issues and goes with "Everyone loves Vic!" as its resolution is worse than never raising them in the first place. (Plus, it's kinda sexist? Like, all Kira and Ezri get to do in the heist is be sexy distractions?)
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Watching TNG from the beginning. Do they wind back the kid saving the day all the time or does that persist?
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EvilElmo posted:Watching TNG from the beginning. Do they wind back the kid saving the day all the time or does that persist? They replace a character each season with another Wesley. Wil Wheaton made bank in 1994.
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Gene Wesley Roddenberry
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EvilElmo posted:Watching TNG from the beginning. Do they wind back the kid saving the day all the time or does that persist? Well, in the episode Rascals.... Yeah, no, Wesley is toned down gradually.
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Vic appears in something like 8 episodes and plays a leading role in only 3 of those (His Way, Paper Moon, Badda-Bing), one of which is one of the legit best episodes Star Trek has, and there's only about 3 times he gets a literal music number (as opposed to Bashir putting a recording of him singing during the build up to the final fight in AR-558 or the montage in Paper Moon) and one of those is the duet with Sisko so that's only two potentially bad music pieces you get to choose from. The only thing I'll agree with in regards to hating Vic is that the Odo/Vic episode should have been a B plot 
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Cross-Section posted:This entire (still-ongoing) thread is, dare I say, majestic I am dead certain there is a Trek porno parody with this exact premise. Seriously.
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Angry Salami posted:(Plus, it's kinda sexist? Like, all Kira and Ezri get to do in the heist is be sexy distractions?) And Kasidy too. I guess not overtly "sexy" in the same way, but her job was definitely to distract the security guard by being an attractive female in distress.
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For the Cause. Oh, right, the Maquis are still a thing, and this was the episode with the famous speech about the Federation being the Borg. While that speech is fun and I think Eddington has a point, I feel this episode is otherwise tepid and misplaced. It feels to me like the entire Maquis storyline doesn't mesh well with a season introducing a Klingon war and upgrading the Dominion threat from a looming possibility to the Dominion openly attacking. The Maquis are small potatoes now, and I personally don't like Cassidy Yates much - I don't feel any chemistry between her and Sisko, or what Sisko sees in her, so this episode falls flat to me. Also, I think Eddington's betrayal would have carried more weight if he'd been a regular member of the cast, not someone whose position in the cast was dubious to begin with and then was wholly supplanted by Worf.
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What ever happened to the chubby simple federation security guy from the first few DS9 episodes?
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Baronjutter posted:What ever happened to the chubby simple federation security guy from the first few DS9 episodes? That guy got bunged in for a couple of episodes when Colm Meaney was away shooting something else and they needed a guy to be just the regular joe on the crew iirc. I guess nobody liked him enough to bring him back when they thought up the Eddington concept.
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skasion posted:That guy got bunged in for a couple of episodes when Colm Meaney was away shooting something else and they needed a guy to be just the regular joe on the crew iirc. I guess nobody liked him enough to bring him back when they thought up the Eddington concept. He seemed legitimately slow/simple and not good at his job rather than some working class savant. I'd love to see that slow doughy idiot leading the Maquis though, having the same scenes with Sisko.
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Cythereal posted:While that speech is fun and I think Eddington has a point, What would a "non-assimilationist" (that's the best word I can come up to sum up Eddington's objections) Federation look like? Would it have to be isolationist, or simply refuse to add any new members? Is there any/no circumstance where it would be permissible to transfer territory, over the objections of the people living in that territory, as part of a peace treaty?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:What would a "non-assimilationist" (that's the best word I can come up to sum up Eddington's objections) Federation look like? Would it have to be isolationist, or simply refuse to add any new members? I dunno, Star Trek has just always felt uncomfortably white bread imperialist - imperialism by cultural hegemony rather than military conquest. That's what gets me about Eddington's speech, his assertion that the Federation feels like everyone should want to be a part of the Federation and share all of the Federation's values and beliefs. Maybe just chalk that up to Star Trek hardly ever being interested in exploring individual cultures within the Federation, though. Half credit to the Vulcans.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:What would a "non-assimilationist" (that's the best word I can come up to sum up Eddington's objections) Federation look like? Would it have to be isolationist, or simply refuse to add any new members? The Maqis don't actually have a thought out ideology. It's all the entitlement of generations of post-scarcity everyone-gets-their-way society mixed with total self-centeredness . They've been told since birth that the federation is 100% ethical and the highest goal is improving ones self and one's personal journey. They decided to personally journey into contested space and settle the planets for fun, as a hobby, for something to spice up their utopian life. But now something has gone wrong, the government is telling them they can't play settler anymore because their hobby-colonies could lead to war which would kill millions. The government telling me I can't play-settle due to the "greater good" ?!?!?! That's FASCISM!! That's full on Stalinism, that's borg-thought. They are entitled babies throwing a tantrum because the society that spoiled them actually asked them to give something back in the form of simply honouring a treaty.
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Agreed, the Maquis are terrible spoiled babies. There are a bazillion planets out there, go to another one.
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