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I actually love armada and is a game i would play 10x more of if i could pick "do none of the obj" if i had the initiative bid.
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The main thing about objectives is that I don't think they'd really fix this game's problems and it would make the dogfighting aspect of the game even weirder. This game doesn't really have a lot of ways to interact with objectives in interesting ways. It would've needed to be a part of the game from day 1 to work.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:08
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I don't think so; there's plenty of basic, simple scenario that could be constructed based around the kind of combat tasks that these ships did in the canon (or their equivalents in real history). The current scenario works fine for, say, air superiority sweeps, but it doesn't cover the strike missions (and interception missions, for the other side) that are most commonly depicted in Star Wars. A bomber becomes much more interesting when it's not squashed into a dogfighting box and can actually go after objectives. It wouldn't be without some mechanics bloodshed, but there's been far worse games adapted to basic scenario play with a few iterations of scenario design. I've been thinking about this a fair bit recently, since the last time I played X-Wing, and want to try playtesting some basic form of intercept mission when I get the chance. Probably with victory based on getting ordinance off the opposite side of an elongated (epic?) map. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Oct 28, 2017 23:14
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Are we pretending that FFG would design good tournament balanced scenarios now? All that would happen is we'd get a bunch of scenarios that move the rock-paper-scissors aspect from ship-versus-ship to ship-versus-scenario.
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Strobe posted:Are we pretending that FFG would design good tournament balanced scenarios now? All that would happen is we'd get a bunch of scenarios that move the rock-paper-scissors aspect from ship-versus-ship to ship-versus-scenario. That's already the case now, it's just that there's a single scenario. Variety would be an improvement.
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banned from Starbucks posted:Objectives are poo poo. Theyre poo poo in attack wing, theyre poo poo in armada and you'll never convince me that theyll be anything other than poo poo for xwing. I honestly like the objectives in Armada. It's not like you can build for the three objectives your opponent might have picked. However, I think the tournament system itself is horrible. No way should someone who goes undefeated lose a tournament to someone who lost a game. In other news. Some interesting lists in the top 16 at Aussie Nats. Kanan/ Lowie (top of swiss) Leebo/Chewie Dash/Missile Miranda w/o adv slam Crack Swarm out but close 5-1 was a Lambda & 2 defenders all with ion cannons w/o palp Rey/Poe Stream for Aussie nats top 16 starts up in a hour https://go.twitch.tv/renegadesquadrongaming Raged fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Oct 28, 2017 23:37
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I was wrong the all ion defender, defender, shuttle list made it to the top 16 and just made it to the top 8. I was wrong it does have palp. Delta Squadron Pilot (30) Ion Cannon (3) Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1) TIE/D (0) Delta Squadron Pilot (30) Ion Cannon (3) Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1) TIE/D (0) Omicron Group Pilot (21) Collision Detector (0) Ion Cannon (3) Emperor Palpatine (8) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Raged fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 01:27
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Crack Swarm now in top 8 also Kanan/Lowie, Kanan/Biggs Trip scouts, Miranda, Lowie, Biggs Ion Death Machine Crack swarm tabled palp/whisper/sabbac it was brutal Raged fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 02:00
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If only he had been a little more patient and not planted both aces in front of a tie swarm. That hurt to watch.
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Oct 29, 2017 02:01
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Raged posted:Crack Swarm now in top 8 along with Kanan/Lowie. A well-flown Crack Swarm will eat just about anything. It's always beautiful to see it done.
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banned from Starbucks posted:If only he had been a little more patient and not planted both aces in front of a tie swarm. That hurt to watch. Can't believe he put sabbac so far out I really want the Ion Death Machine to win or the Crack Swarm Raged fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 02:05
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Raged posted:Can't believe he put sabbac so far out Do you know the upgrades for the ion list? I've been toying with Ion Vessery and wanna know who they paired him with
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ConfusedUs posted:Do you know the upgrades for the ion list? I've been toying with Ion Vessery and wanna know who they paired him with Delta Squadron Pilot (30) Ion Cannon (3) Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1) TIE/D (0) Delta Squadron Pilot (30) Ion Cannon (3) Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1) TIE/D (0) Omicron Group Pilot (21) Collision Detector (0) Ion Cannon (3) Emperor Palpatine (8) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Stream will start up again in about 5-10 min https://www.twitch.tv/renegadesquadrongaming
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Oct 29, 2017 02:08
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Raged posted:Delta Squadron Pilot (30) Ooo it's not even Vessery. That...kinda owns. Ion cannon on the OGP is hilarious
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ConfusedUs posted:Ooo it's not even Vessery. It's on the stream now. https://www.twitch.tv/renegadesquadrongaming
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Raged posted:It's on the stream now. https://www.twitch.tv/renegadesquadrongaming This game is EXACTLY why Biggs needed a nerf. It's infuriating to watch.
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ConfusedUs posted:This game is EXACTLY why Biggs needed a nerf. Yeah it was pretty stupid. Could have wiped Lowhhrick or Miranda in 2 turns a piece, but Biggs gonna Biggs. I was never that annoyed with Biggs in the game because at the end of the day, he's still an X-Wing and didn't last super long anyway. The Lowhhrick effect took Biggs in my mind from "annoying" to "oppressive"
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ConfusedUs posted:This game is EXACTLY why Biggs needed a nerf. Yeah, it was heartbreaking to watch. In the interview at the end when the winner said the only reason he flew the list was that it was the one list he always had trouble beating. Think 3 of the top 4 will have the wookie ship in it one of them consists of 4. How do you crack 4 Wookie gunships? You put 4 of those down you are saying the match is going to time unless the wookies wipe the board.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:48
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Raged posted:Yeah, it was heartbreaking to watch. In the interview at the end when the winner said the only reason he flew the list was that it was the one list he always had trouble beating. Think 3 of the top 4 will have the wookie ship in it one of them consists of 4. How do you crack 4 Wookie gunships? You put 4 of those down you are saying the match is going to time unless the wookies wipe the board. I haven't seen the quad wookiees list, but isn't the solution just "get behind it"? Like why can't something like Dash, or an Imperial ace, just get around behind it and pick it apart? Sure it takes a while but it's not like they can turn around.
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ConfusedUs posted:I haven't seen the quad wookiees list, but isn't the solution just "get behind it"? Their 180 degree forward arc makes it less straightforward than it would seem. They could literally cover half the board if they set up right, and that’s before any pilot abilities/reinforce actions come into play.
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ConfusedUs posted:I haven't seen the quad wookiees list, but isn't the solution just "get behind it"? Get behind all 4? its not like they need to fly in formation. They can just split up and prob get 3 of them on you with their huge arcs.
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the 4 Wookie list is up on the stream now vs Kanan/Lowie
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Oct 29, 2017 04:27
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Raged posted:the 4 Wookie list is up on the stream now vs 2 K-wings 2 K Wings with a gajillion bombs  
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canyoneer posted:2 K Wings with a gajillion bombs The overlay was wrong Kanan/Lowie now
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Oct 29, 2017 04:30
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Jeez they amount of damage 4 wookie ships can shrug off is insane looks like the final will be Bigg/Lowie/Miranda Vs 4 Wookie ships Booooooooooooooooooooo
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I’ve played against 4 Wookie Gunships a few times. Getting behind them is tough due to their arc and even more so they are typically flown to block and bump each other to the point where you’re going to run into them. They also have a shitload of health. The closest I’ve really seen is someone with Asasaj/Nym bombing the poo poo out of them but yep, they can take damage, deal it out, and generally go to time. Basically, hope the dice is in your favor on both ends. I’m glad Biggs got nerfed. This game needs more brutality and not last over an hour because of what it takes to chew through shields and armor.
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This final is painful to watch. Biggs/Lowie just shrugging off an immense number of hits and just trucking along. Anyone pissed over the biggs nerf needs a dick punch. Honestly though I think it's probably they only list with the ability to beat 4 gunships.
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Oct 29, 2017 07:10
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The guy who took second with 4 wookies played them for the first time a week ago. Get ready for a flood of carpet.
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Raged posted:The guy who took second with 4 wookies played them for the first time a week ago. Get ready for a flood of carpet. The cool thing is that they're PS1 so I reckon BBBBZ has their number in a joust. Or BBBB linked batteries x4 and a harpoon. If it did become dominant I think you'll see a resurgence of those low-mid tier pilots with strong abilities. Which is interesting.
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hoiyes posted:The cool thing is that they're PS1 so I reckon BBBBZ has their number in a joust. Or BBBB linked batteries x4 and a harpoon. If it did become dominant I think you'll see a resurgence of those low-mid tier pilots with strong abilities. Which is interesting. Somewhere in a dark room, a game designer is smiling. "All according to utini*" (Utini means plan in Jawa)
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Bahahahaha If you want the ultimate in homebrew look no further https://www.reddit.com/r/XWingTMG/comments/79bzqb/xwing_supremacy_subreddit_is_now_live/?st=j9cj61um&sh=e61a2099 Want an X-wing that's just as manoeuvrable as a tie fighter and moves like a striker... no problem. Why redesign a single card when you can redesign the whole game from the ground up. They even use the same graphics and type setting The manual is rich in a variety of different salt type. I eagerly await the FFG or Disney cease and desist.
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The idea of frames tied to abilities and upgrade bar is actually a pretty elegant idea.
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Been throwing poo poo against the wall and seeing what sticks. This one seems to make sense to me in the brave new world that starts next week. What do you guys think. Karthakk Pirate (24) Twin Laser Turret (6) Harpoon Missiles (4) Long-Range Scanners (0) Karthakk Pirate (24) Twin Laser Turret (6) Harpoon Missiles (4) Long-Range Scanners (0) Contracted Scout (25) Intimidation (2) Intelligence Agent (1) Feedback Array (2) Anti-Pursuit Lasers (2) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder Raged fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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hoiyes posted:The cool thing is that they're PS1 so I reckon BBBBZ has their number in a joust. Or BBBB linked batteries x4 and a harpoon. If it did become dominant I think you'll see a resurgence of those low-mid tier pilots with strong abilities. Which is interesting. So, the problem is, BBBBZ style attacks are quite bad against the reinforce action. And the B-wing doesn't have a missiles lot so you can't put harpoons on it.
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One last bad idea before bed Kashyyyk Defender (24) Wookiee Commandos (1) Kashyyyk Defender (24) Wookiee Commandos (1) Dash Rendar (36) Trick Shot (0) Heavy Laser Cannon (7) Rey (2) Outrider (5) Total: 100 View in Yet Another Squad Builder
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I.....really like that bad idea.
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Thought it had to be Dash (crew) not Dash (pilot) for Trick Shot to trigger, because of the wording on each Dash’s card?
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Icon Of Sin posted:Thought it had to be Dash (crew) not Dash (pilot) for Trick Shot to trigger, because of the wording on each Dash’s card? Pilot Dash only ignores obstacles in the Activation step. If he's on an asteroid in the combat phase, he can't fire. Edit: Dash crew wouldn't work with Trick Shot at all as he ignores obstacles for shooting purposes. Admiral Joeslop fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Though I like the idea, I'd rather have a reroll than +1 die
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Raged posted:Bahahahaha I was actually somewhat impressed by this. While there are undoubtedly many individual balance issues within, the core concept of "frames" and the way they handle modifying the ships is really solid.
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