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I remember the 90s. It was its own clusterfuck, but definitely better. Or rose lensed glasses. I'm firmly in nuclear fire camp. If it happens and it's broadcast where the nearest is going to hit, I'll go to the tallest, nearest building and welcome it like it's the aliens from Independence Day. Might even make a "thanks vlad" sign.
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mlmp08 posted:But white nationalists are both ignorant and bad so I’m not seeing the connection very clearly. Right, but stopping at "they're ignorant and bad" doesn't do anything. Figuring out how and why those ignorant and bad beliefs get perpetuated and spread is more useful.
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facialimpediment posted:Here is a really, really long read about former Speaker of the House John Boehner. Ordinarily not something I'd link here, and Boehner was a fucker, but holy gently caress there are some incredible quotes. quote:Boehner tells me that when Bush, while in office, refused to join Burning Tree—due to the optics of a president golfing someplace women aren’t allowed—he told the commander in chief, “You’re a pussy.” Years later, when Bush became a member after leaving the White House, Boehner says he told Bush: “You’re still a pussy.” quote:Ryan has, however, found comfort in torturing Boehner: The speaker inherited his predecessor’s security detail, and whereas Boehner demanded they be freshly shaven every day, Ryan let them grow unruly beards—pictures of which are often texted to their former boss, code name “Tan Man.”
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Gobbeldygook posted:Half the lines in there deserve to be framed. The degree to which they all hate each other is loving amusing.
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Welp, looks like another Hollywood star may be going down soon. Anthony Rapp, of Rent and Star Trek: Discovery, claims that Kevin Spacey drunkenly tried to sexually assault him after a party when Spacey was 26 and he was 14.
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I didn't actually think Boehner was that bad. He was trying to give directions while the tea party drove the bus. Edit: Actually, I think most the hate for Boehner from a number of left leaning friends is a problem. While some of his positions are questionable, the lack of empathy or desire to try and see his perspective has led us to this current divide. He stood on principle many times and did what he thought was best for the country. As GWB shows, that can lead to terrible decisions like Iraq, but I would say that makes Bush a fool more than a villian. lightpole fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Oct 30, 2017 04:02
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Oh no Kevin say it ain't so
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lightpole posted:I didn't actually think Boehner was that bad. He was trying to give directions while the tea party drove the bus. It's a lot like the republican party these days. Boehner was only pissed at the Tea-Party because they wouldn't vote like he wanted them to and incrementally gently caress over the usual suspects the party wants to, not because they where/are pants on head retarded. Right now Trump is getting less and less of a pass, however; minuscule that less of a pass is because he's becoming less of an useful idiot to the party than originally thought, not because he's a horrible human being.
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Retardog posted:Welp, looks like another Hollywood star may be going down soon. Anthony Rapp, of Rent and Star Trek: Discovery, claims that Kevin Spacey drunkenly tried to sexually assault him after a party when Spacey was 26 and he was 14. There’s a lot of stories about Kevin Spacey assaulting or conniving straight guys into poo poo.
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lightpole posted:I didn't actually think Boehner was that bad. He was trying to give directions while the tea party drove the bus. A few years ago, a friend of mine's super liberal Democrat parents were invited to a wedding and were surprised that they were to be seated for dinner at the same table with Boehner. As it turns out, he's apparently a very friendly and personable guy in the flesh, and it singlehandedly changed their views of him. They still hated his politics, but they actually really liked him as a person. The point about a lack of empathy is sadly valid, but I think the willingness to see things from the other side's perspective was a lot easier when we could still assume that most politicians were acting like they believed they had the country's best interests at heart. Even if I thought W was a terrible president, I at least never questioned whether he had a moral compass. I can't say that for Trump.
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I'd go for a third term of W over what we have now
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Retardog posted:Welp, looks like another Hollywood star may be going down soon. Anthony Rapp, of Rent and Star Trek: Discovery, claims that Kevin Spacey drunkenly tried to sexually assault him after a party when Spacey was 26 and he was 14. Man, this Weinstein thing just keeps going and going. Like a Energizer bunny of rear end-grabbing and sexual harassment.
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I LICK APE PUSSY posted:I'd go for a third term of W over what we have now
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I'm ashamed to admit that I won't spare much empathy on leaders of the party that built their modern platform on homophobia and general villainy.
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There's a big difference between actively thinking you're doing the right thing for the country and deliberately being malicious. I disagree with conservative positions generally, but I can absolutely see that they may be right about plenty of stuff I could be wrong about, especially on economics. W turned out to be poo poo, but he always thought he was doing the right thing. Trump doesn't even have "the right thing" even enter into his mind. Right now, W was worse in terms of overall, tangible damage like wars and the economy compared to Trump right now. Trump's damage has all been stature of the office, stature of the country, and intangible poo poo like that. The problem is that all the ingredients are there for Trump to do much, much worse in his remaining 3/7 years. In other news, it's absolutely amazing that the Mueller poo poo hasn't leaked out yet. He's running a drat tight ship. Edit: Whoa, Kevin Spacey just came out. https://twitter.com/KevinSpacey/status/924848412842971136
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Hexyflexy posted:The degree to which they all hate each other is loving amusing. It's much more entertaining cannibalism compared to the democrats, which are mostly just sad.
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facialimpediment posted:There's a big difference between actively thinking you're doing the right thing for the country and deliberately being malicious. I disagree with conservative positions generally, but I can absolutely see that they may be right about plenty of stuff I could be wrong about, especially on economics. Holy poo poo Spacey.
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Well that's certainly a mature way for Spacey to handle the situation. Let's see if people are gonna try to rake him over the coals for it.
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I didn't know that about him. I just thought he was doing some really good acting in HoC.
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KildarX posted:Well that's certainly a mature way for Spacey to handle the situation. Let's see if people are gonna try to rake him over the coals for it. I mean.. it’s kind of a misdirection. “Yeah I might have sexually assaulted a 14 year old but let’s talk about how I’m gay.” boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:I mean.. it’s kind of a misdirection. That is the cynic in me agreeing with that.
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NUKES CURE NORKS posted:I mean.. it’s kind of a misdirection. Yeah that's pretty weak as far as responses to allegations go. poo poo or get off the pot, Spacey.
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Third World Reggin posted:That is the cynic in me agreeing with that. 
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Dead Reckoning posted:
I'm not sure why you tards are having such a hard time with this quote. The point is lots of racists in America complain that their de facto racism under the guise of nationalism or other politics is being confronted by people, when in countries like Japan the same sort of racism never gets confronted, or only faces token protests. See also Brazil, Italy, China. White nationalists in the US are more or less whining that they aren't getting away with their BS as easily as happens elsewhere.
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Zeris posted:Yeah that's pretty weak as far as responses to allegations go. poo poo or get off the pot, Spacey. He may have been on a poo poo ton of drugs and doesn’t remember it. I hear actors do that. Not an actual excuse for being a kiddy raper.
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Godholio posted:Right, but stopping at "they're ignorant and bad" doesn't do anything. Figuring out how and why those ignorant and bad beliefs get perpetuated and spread is more useful. It's this. You need a healthy dose of 'Know Your Enemy' when dealing with these people. We learned that pretty quickly when we were fighting the surge of Neo Nazis subverting the regional music scene, and we noticed at some point that simply knowing your enemy to identify them simply didn't cut it when you were trying to combat the problem. You need to know why people buy into right extremist propaganda to defuse it. You never achieve full isolation of Neonazis until you've defanged their seemingly-innocent "gateway-propaganda" or whatever you want to call it. And isolation is really loving important. Doubly so for stopping youth-recruiting of any hate-group. The second there isn't even the remotest "cool" aspect of joining any fringe group due to non-conformist ideology that promises you an escape from whatever mainstream-culture-lies you supposedly come from, you kill 90% of any group's youth recruiting. Punching Nazis is a great tool in your toolbox, but as long as it doesn't stop the growth of those groups, it's unfortunately never really the cure if it's the only tool in that box. That's part of why some approaches and trends in the Antifa-movement have me worried. If you're trivializing the word "Nazi", and using it for literally everyone that disagrees with you, you're not only not stopping the group of people you need to punch from growing organically, you're expanding that group through your own negligent use of a loving word. So while Dead Reckoning's post was a reasonably decent answer to the previous "why" question, it was missing a bit of a "and that's why x is bad and needs to be contained" at the end.
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Grognan posted:actually having an alternative path for these people is important. I wish more criminals had an alternative path but I am pretty sure america isn't ready for that and probably shouldn't start with rich sex perverts.
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Oct 30, 2017 06:40
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Grognan posted:actually having an alternative path for these people is important. guillotines are under utilized imho
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Oct 30, 2017 06:40
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was more about the racists but sure actually have to start using the guillotines first though
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Grognan posted:was more about the racists but sure yah sorry, my fault but yah racists need more than one alternative path, I agree with that but I find the punch nazi crowd very against that which is something that will cause more nazis
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Oct 30, 2017 06:44
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Yeah we should fight a world war against them or nothing
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Third World Reggin posted:yah sorry, my fault There has to be some kind of solution to this question.
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In recent "hosed up, but true"-news:  A recent survey showed that 79% of Finns are happy to pay their taxes, 96% think that collecting taxes is important because it maintains the welfare state, and 93% say they pay their taxes & back taxes on time .
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Duzzy Funlop posted:It's this. yoink. loving Germans and their good attitudes re Nazis
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Missionary Positron posted:In recent "hosed up, but true"-news: Why is this hosed up? Americans are taught taxes bad all the way and noone ever points at the benefits. I pay my full rate even though as a merchant mariner I have generous carve outs and could drop it by 30% or so easily. I also live in California and pay my full state taxes. I am also the product of California state schools, owe everything to California and the US government and the citizens of the US as my job is completely subsidized and ring fenced by the government. I know Mitt Romney would call me stupid for doing so but I like to think a few cents go somewhere that they are needed very badly and that someone will have the same opportunities I do.
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lightpole posted:Why is this hosed up? Americans are taught taxes bad all the way and noone ever points at the benefits. I pay my full rate even though as a merchant mariner I have generous carve outs and could drop it by 30% or so easily. I also live in California and pay my full state taxes. I am also the product of California state schools, owe everything to California and the US government and the citizens of the US as my job is completely subsidized and ring fenced by the government. I don't disagree but since they hosed up imgur at some point pretend I posted that picture of the GOP laughing.
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