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I think its funny how utterly poo poo Haas has been yet Renault only has 1 more constructors championship point (and Toro Rosso only 5 more than Renault).
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To be fair, they were essentially a 1 car team for most of the year.
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Human Grand Prix posted:To be fair, they were essentially a 1 car team for most of the year. I was going to make a joke about Grosjean but he has more points than Kmag and Palmer combined 
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Oct 30, 2017 16:59
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I feel Hamiltons fourth championship is rather fraudulent as he has not really earned it as compared to the Mighty Are Rossie last year. Hamilton has basically won this through the mistakes of others, especially Vettel, there fore I renounce this usurper and formally charge the 2017 championship as null and void
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The RS17 isn't a bad car. It just seems inconsistent.
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It's their first real car and it's a fairly good base to build off of.
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Human Grand Prix posted:The RS17 isn't a bad car. It just seems inconsistent. I think that can be attributed to the engine. Though I will laugh if both RBR and McLaren stomp them.
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Oct 30, 2017 17:17
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Gonzo that film is specifically about the drivers of that era but yeah, you're right.
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It's not Hamiltons fault that Ferrari poo poo the bed just like it isn't vettel's fault that the Red Bull was way better than everyone during his championship years. It would be nice if we could have a year when two teams manage to keep it together all the way through.
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Oct 30, 2017 17:34
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The FIA revised the WDC trophy this year in honour of Lewis' 4th shampionship. Congratulations #TEAMLH44 you are truly #MEGABLESSED
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Serious talk: where would Ferrari be today if it wasn't for Schumi?
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iospace posted:Serious talk: where would Ferrari be today if it wasn't for Schumi? Probably where they are now, being a mercurial team that randomly goes between winning races and melting down within a single season is basically a return to normal form for Ferrari .
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Gigi Galli posted:It's not Hamiltons fault that Ferrari poo poo the bed just like it isn't vettel's fault that the Red Bull was way better than everyone during his championship years. It would be nice if we could have a year when two teams manage to keep it together all the way through. The problem is developing these cars is so resource intensive and the constraints put on them means that putting in a ton of work for next year's car doesn't necessarily translate to on track action. There's a reason Red Bull has finally come good and it's because the other teams stopped developing this year's car months ago while Red Bull soldiers on for no loving reason.
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1500quidporsche posted:The problem is developing these cars is so resource intensive and the constraints put on them means that putting in a ton of work for next year's car doesn't necessarily translate to on track action. There's a reason Red Bull has finally come good and it's because the other teams stopped developing this year's car months ago while Red Bull soldiers on for no loving reason. I think Red Bull will have an advantage going into next year because of this though. Apart from the T-wing, shark fin, and, I think, monkey seat, there's no other significant changes to the chassis formula. If they can develop the car while leaving those components alone (or making minimal adjustments to them), it's a head start into next year.
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Oct 30, 2017 17:53
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iospace posted:I think Red Bull will have an advantage going into next year because of this though. Apart from the T-wing, shark fin, and, I think, monkey seat, there's no other significant changes to the chassis formula. If they can develop the car while leaving those components alone (or making minimal adjustments to them), it's a head start into next year. They've always done this and it's never worked out that way aside from 2011. Even with virtually identical rules they've always had a slow start to the season because they were too busy loving around trying to win the final races of a season when it didn't matter.
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1500quidporsche posted:The problem is developing these cars is so resource intensive and the constraints put on them means that putting in a ton of work for next year's car doesn't necessarily translate to on track action. There's a reason Red Bull has finally come good and it's because the other teams stopped developing this year's car months ago while Red Bull soldiers on for no loving reason. It should be a continuous process and only some teams can afford that. I think everybody would love to spend all year tweaking everything and getting stuff to work better, but that costs a lot of loving money.
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McLaren is doing the same thing and I don’t understand why them and Red Bull seem to be the only ones. There’s no downside afaik.
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wicka posted:McLaren is doing the same thing and I don’t understand why them and Red Bull seem to be the only ones. There’s no downside afaik. Mercedes and Ferrari can essentially copy your concepts and fine tune them for next year. Also it saves time for them since they know that concept works so they can either build off that or use the time they would've worked on it exploring something else. McLaren had good results doing it last year, I don't think they wanted to do then or now by choice but basically had too since they didn't do the tire test and kind of got hosed by the late engine switch. Red Bull seem to do it just to win late season races.
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iospace posted:Serious talk: where would Ferrari be today if it wasn't for Schumi? And Brawn*
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1500quidporsche posted:Mercedes and Ferrari can essentially copy your concepts and fine tune them for next year. Also it saves time for them since they know that concept works so they can either build off that or use the time they would've worked on it exploring something else. If Mercedes wanted to copy McLaren or Red Bull’s concepts they would have to wholesale redesign the car.
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wicka posted:If Mercedes wanted to copy McLaren or Red Bull’s concepts they would have to wholesale redesign the car. That is what they're rumoured to be doing for next year.
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CratSock posted:The FIA revised the WDC trophy this year in honour of Lewis' 4th shampionship. 
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1500quidporsche posted:That is what they're rumoured to be doing for next year. In that case, they'd be copying cars that have been out and about for years. And I don't think they're going to get much additional benefit from simply seeing that McLaren have added two slots into their front wing. McLaren, on the other hand, now have loads of data from that new wing, and they know exactly how their wind tunnels correlate to on-track performance. Seems worth it.
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After Brexit they should revoke all of Hamilton titles and award them to an european team like Scuderia Ferrari IMOGigi Galli posted:Gonzo that film is specifically about the drivers of that era but yeah, you're right. Neat, it will be only in italian?
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Who the gently caress changed DoctorGonzo's av? I want crying GrossJeans back immediately.
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wicka posted:In that case, they'd be copying cars that have been out and about for years. And I don't think they're going to get much additional benefit from simply seeing that McLaren have added two slots into their front wing. McLaren, on the other hand, now have loads of data from that new wing, and they know exactly how their wind tunnels correlate to on-track performance. Seems worth it. We are not going to agree on this and I actually have work to do today so I respectfully will say we will not see eye to eye on this issue and that is okay.
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CratSock posted:Who the gently caress changed DoctorGonzo's av? I want crying GrossJeans back immediately. CratSock, please. Now is not the time.
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1500quidporsche posted:We are not going to agree on this and I actually have work to do today so I respectfully will say we will not see eye to eye on this issue and that is okay. You have no idea how tall I am, we may well see exactly eye to eye.
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Without continuous car development we would not have had two Max wins and Alonso would still be sitting at 18th. I am fine with this ideology.
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DoctorGonzo posted:they should bring back unlimited testing and remove the stupid engine constraints
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DoctorGonzo posted:they should bring back unlimited testing and remove the stupid engine constraints They should bring back your old avatar.
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1500quidporsche posted:They should bring back your old avatar. thats not very nice
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1500quidporsche posted:They should bring back your old avatar.
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CratSock posted:The FIA revised the WDC trophy this year in honour of Lewis' 4th shampionship. Isn't that the WCC trophy? I thought the WDC was the other one.
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DoctorGonzo posted:CratSock, please. Now is not the time. Time is a healer is a terribly hokey cliché, but it is true, it will get easier. The best thing you can do right now is keep busy with whatever it is that you like doing, be it old races, reading, video games, cooking, and so on. Take it day by day and it will all be OK. 
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Probably where they are now, being a mercurial team that randomly goes between winning races and melting down within a single season is basically a return to normal form for Ferrari .
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learnincurve posted:Time is a healer is a terribly hokey cliché, but it is true, it will get easier. The best thing you can do right now is keep busy with whatever it is that you like doing, be it old races, reading, video games, cooking, and so on. Take it day by day and it will all be OK. Drinking but that is not very healthy so ill finish ruiner instead
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Alboreto taking the burning Ferrari down to their pits and jumping out now that his championship challenge was done basically says everything you need to know about Ferrari in my opinion. That was peak Ferrari.
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1500quidporsche posted:Alboreto taking the burning Ferrari down to their pits and jumping out now that his championship challenge was done basically says everything you need to know about Ferrari in my opinion. That was peak Ferrari. Monza 88
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