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The Ascent Pure, unadulterated filler. Someone apparently felt season five needed another episode but declined to provide a plot to go with it so we get an hour of Odo/Quark and Jake/Nog interactions instead with no stakes (like they'd really kill off Odo or Quark like this) and no discernable plot. It's not offensively bad, I guess?
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That episode has some of the best Odo/Quark interactions in the show, pretend I put a gif of ed harris yelling at you right here because goddamn son
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Oct 29, 2017 22:14
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Problem is, I don't particularly like Odo. I don't like most Founders stuff, I don't like Odo's relationship with Kira, and The Ascent comes hot on the heels of what I think is a really good Odo episode in Things Past. I like Odo's relationship with Quark when it's kept light-hearted and a bit silly. "I always investigate Quark." I don't really buy them when they try to play it more seriously. Quark to me is a comic relief character and a drat good one, but I don't like him as a center of actual drama.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:18
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I like Odo and Quark and I don't like the ascent either. it's like the hobbit movies for me; spending time with the characters you know is not enough to make me watch something.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:27
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Rapture Here's an episode that you simply couldn't do on any other series of Star Trek. Duet could easily be a particularly ballsy episode of any other series, any of the Dominion episodes wouldn't need too much work to adjust to the looming threat du jour, and so on and so forth. But here you have a very unique, very particularly Deep Space Nine episode and it's a good one. Also remarkable for being a Sisko episode that doesn't have him chewing the scenery and screaming at people, which is to be honest an unusual sight and shows his chops nicely. Another entry in the episodes I'd show someone interested in DS9 to show them what it's about and what makes it different, I think. Just from the episodes I've seen during rewatching this from the beginning, I'd probably pick for that purpose: Emissary, parts one and two Duet The Maquis, parts one and two The Wire The House of Quark Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast The Adversary Homefront/Paradise Lost Hard Time Rapture Cythereal fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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I've been feeling nostalgic lately and watching Star Trek. For now, I've been sporadically watching TNG and Voyager episodes, skipping a lot of them. I'm enjoying Voyager more than I remembered. I still like TNG a lot more, but Voyager does have some fun episodes. I'm appreciating Tuvok more this time. Tim Russ is really good at playing a Vulcan. I was thinking about Course: Oblivion after I watched it (the one where Voyager is dissolving into goo). I feel like this could have been a pretty good TNG episode instead of just an okay Voyager episode. For one thing, an episode like this hinges a lot on how much you care about the characters, and I just feel more attached to the TNG crew. The other major issue I had with it, is that it doesn't affect anything. No one even knows that it happened. If I were writing it, they'd have a chance to survive at the end, and willingly sacrifice themselves to achieve something. Maybe there's a primitive species about to get wiped out if they don't intervene, or there's a plot to attack the Federation that they have to stop. I prefer the latter because it's not as clear cut. Technically they're not part of the Federation, but they believe in the Federation's ideals and want to protect it, so they still make the sacrifice, even knowing it won't be acknowledged or remembered. I think that would be interesting to see. And I'd have them leave something behind, a brief final message or some token that the real Enterprise can pick up, symbolizing that the lives of the duplicate crew had meaning. Anyway, I feel like I'm skirting dangerously close to fan fiction territory, but I just keep thinking that episode was a real missed opportunity. Now, just a couple Voyager questions for the thread. Was Dragon's Teeth good? I've been skipping any episodes that don't sound interesting, but I'm on the fence about this one. Also, I started with Scorpion, because of Seven. Are they any major highlights I should go back and watch from earlier in the show?
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:I've been feeling nostalgic lately and watching Star Trek. For now, I've been sporadically watching TNG and Voyager episodes, skipping a lot of them. I'm enjoying Voyager more than I remembered. I still like TNG a lot more, but Voyager does have some fun episodes. I'm appreciating Tuvok more this time. Tim Russ is really good at playing a Vulcan. I remember when I rewatched the series "Dragon's Teeth" wound up being the episode I look at as quintessentially everything that's both right and wrong with Voyager. First 40 minutes of the episode or so set up an interesting premise, then the writers can't figure out an ending so they shrug their shoulders and Voyager simply moves on consequence free. This, "Course: Oblivion," and many others are how Voyager got its reputation for hitting the reset button. Sure, TNG doesn't have much continuity, but most episodes end with a tough decision needing to be made that gives you a satisfying conclusion. With Voyager, most episodes end with a "that was it?" or a "why didn't they do X instead?" Voyager's definitely still fun to watch, but it doesn't stick the endings often enough to reach the heights of TNG and DS9. As for earlier episodes to go back to watch, "The Thaw" is a good one. That's the one with the clown. "False Profits" is a follow up to a TNG episode. "Future's End" for time travel hijinks and the origin of The Doctor's mobile emitter. "Threshold."
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Oct 30, 2017 01:05
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The Darkness and the Light Kira, I love you but you really have no ground to poo poo on Odo about not always being the personification of justice. Also another episode that seems astonishingly prescient about dealing with issues that matter a lot today - and back when it aired, I suppose. Makes a good little trilogy with Necessary Evil and Things Past if you're in the mood for dark, grim crime drama revolving around the uglier side of the Occupation and the Resistance.
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Oct 30, 2017 01:38
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That loving ending monologue tho. It is among the greatest trainwrecks in DS9.
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Oct 30, 2017 01:48
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Worf suffered more consequences for failing a mission in order to rescue his girlfriend than for committing sabotage and treason. Honestly, I'm not sure what Sisko was so mad at Eddington about, like apparently you can become a terrorist and attack a peaceful Federation planet and it's no biggie
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Oct 30, 2017 01:48
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Dragon’s Teeth was supposed to be a two parter and set up a new recurring enemy. Then it wasn’t and it didn’t. It’s a weird thing to behold if nothing else.
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Cythereal posted:Problem is, I don't particularly like Odo. I don't like most Founders stuff, I don't like Odo's relationship with Kira, and The Ascent comes hot on the heels of what I think is a really good Odo episode in Things Past. I complain a lot about DS9 but at the core of it, I don't think the relationships between the B characters are all that loving interesting. "OK you all cartoonishly represent [aspect of humanity], again, and grind against each other's personalities, again, wow." And what people seem to most fondly remember is the Dominion politics.
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Oct 30, 2017 02:00
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was super duper stoned last night playing Tecmo Bowl, and had Voyager on in the background. at one point i looked up and it was a close-up shot of Neelix's face, and I thought I had literally seen the face of Lucifer god drat
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Oct 30, 2017 02:16
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DS9 S5 E2 - The Ship Still one of my favorite DS9 episodes ever. The conversation between Sisko and Dax at the end is one of the things that defines DS9 in my eyes. quote:"That doesn't make it any easier." Really wish Kilana came back. She was just as compelling a Vorta as Weyoun.
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Oct 30, 2017 03:16
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Yeah, if I was introducing someone to DS9 The Ship would be right up there with Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast and The Jem'hadar for "This is the Dominion and why you should be scared of them."
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Oct 30, 2017 03:26
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Apparently discovery was good tonight?
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Oct 30, 2017 04:17
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Someone posts it every week. Wow, immediately after the new episode weird on the street from the shows tiny fanbase of diehards willing to pay money to watch it, is that it's good?
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Oct 30, 2017 04:26
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Arglebargle III posted:Apparently discovery was good tonight? They all took my advice and watched Andromeda instead 
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Oct 30, 2017 04:32
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The Begotten Fine, drat it, you win, Deep Space Nine. I teared up over a loving Odo episode of all things. Not as much over Duet or The Visitor, sure, but "What if Odo became a dad?" is a fine plot and I quite like Odo's own rear end in a top hat dad guy and their relationship. You know going in that there's not going to be a new changeling character, of course, but I find it's still an effective episode. Effective enough to ignore the wholly pointless b-plot. And nuts to The Ascent, this episode has some of my favorite Odo/Quark banter in the show.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:38
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Arglebargle III posted:Apparently discovery was good tonight? The show is starting to hit its stride more. We've had about 3 weeks of mostly side-stories after a bunch of episodes that were more about the overarching plot of the series.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:47
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Someone posts it every week. Wow, immediately after the new episode weird on the street from the shows tiny fanbase of diehards willing to pay money to watch it, is that it's good? Not really, the thread hasn't been too keen on previous episodes.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:49
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Did you guys find it weird that the Orville encountered a planet that was a near copy of 21st-century earth? I know it's supposed to be a comedy version of Trek or whatever, but come on what are the odds of that.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:54
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Arglebargle III posted:Apparently discovery was good tonight? It was a pretty enjoyable episode.
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Oct 30, 2017 04:57
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VitalSigns posted:Did you guys find it weird that the Orville encountered a planet that was a near copy of 21st-century earth? Yeah it seems pretty unlikely. Hopefully a writer got fired for that screw up.
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VitalSigns posted:Did you guys find it weird that the Orville encountered a planet that was a near copy of 21st-century earth? Statistically, 100% of known inhabited planets can be considered pretty much identical to 21st century Earth. The real fuckup is every other planet in the show.
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Oct 30, 2017 05:10
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Someone posts it every week. Wow, immediately after the new episode But enough about The Orville
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VitalSigns posted:Did you guys find it weird that the Orville encountered a planet that was a near copy of 21st-century earth?  But see, when TOS did it, the planet was sideways Earth. Totally different.
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Oct 30, 2017 05:48
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sidebar: anthony rapp is brave as heck and i admire him all the more for it
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Oct 30, 2017 05:51
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Someone posts it every week. Wow, immediately after the new episode weird on the street from the shows tiny fanbase of diehards willing to pay money to watch it, is that it's good? I don’t know where you’re getting this from because the Discovery thread on the whole is pretty negative. Tonight’s episode just happened to actually be both pretty good and very Star Trek-y.
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Oct 30, 2017 05:56
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VitalSigns posted:Did you guys find it weird that the Orville encountered a planet that was a near copy of 21st-century earth? Look at this guy who hasn't ever seen any TOS episodes.
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"there's so many ways to blow up this ship, it's almost a design flaw" Star Trek Discovery, 2017
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Someone posts it every week. Wow, immediately after the new episode weird on the street from the shows tiny fanbase of diehards willing to pay money to watch it, is that it's good? If we get a third episode in a row where the characters aren't snarking at each other in between doing morally questionable things for dubious reasons then I'll be glad but still not terribly impressed since the pilot and first episodes set such a low bar to clear I do not spend money to see this and I would not recommend anyone else pay for it at this point either
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dont even fink about it posted:I complain a lot about DS9 but at the core of it, I don't think the relationships between the B characters are all that loving interesting. "OK you all cartoonishly represent [aspect of humanity], again, and grind against each other's personalities, again, wow." And what people seem to most fondly remember is the Dominion politics. DS9 is all about the actors and what they make of it. The writing is corny, the delivery is great.
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I didn't hate this episode. New Personal Best, Discovery!
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The discovery thread is about 30% trolling at this point.
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Arglebargle III posted:The discovery thread is about 30% trolling at this point. The 30% who say it's good?
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Paradoxish posted:I don’t know where you’re getting this from because the Discovery thread on the whole is pretty negative. Tonight’s episode just happened to actually be both pretty good and very Star Trek-y. Oh well that's good then
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Arglebargle III posted:The discovery thread is about 30% trolling at this point.
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For the Uniform Benjamin Motherfucking Sisko, and why you do not screw with this manliest of men. If this had been a Voyager episode, you know the episode would have bent over backwards to excuse and rationalize Janeway's vendetta and dropping a WMD on an inhabited planet purely to flush Eddington out, and odds are the whole thing would have been a technobabble bluff so she didn't really do it to begin with. DS9, nope Sisko really did just do that and would have done it again and again until Eddington surrendered. I still don't like the Maquis as a plot thread now that the Dominion is here, they were fine when it was just the Federation and Cardassians but their time has passed. And I certainly don't buy Eddington outsmarting everyone so consistently. But Sisko's performance makes up for that. When a guy who's intense in battle anyway pronounces that it's time to become the villain, sensible men hide under their beds.
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