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Dreylad posted:I'm surprised there hasn't been any screw ups (and I haven't been following Albertan politics much, to be fair), if only because the ANDP were a pretty inexperienced party forming government after decades of conservative rule. Considering that Alberta has been ruled by Conservative parties for close to 95 years and that the NDP getting election was essentially a protest vote, they were doomed no matter what they did in the last 4 years.
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They've basically run centrist economics their whole term, it really wouldn't have killed them to try moving poo poo to the left, especially since that's what most people were actually voting for last election.
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I don’t know how you look at the changes to labour standards and say the ANDP is centrist.
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1500quidporsche posted:They've basically run centrist economics their whole term, it really wouldn't have killed them to try moving poo poo to the left, especially since that's what most people were actually voting for last election. They're probably the most left-wing provincial government in the country except for their constant cuddling with big oil.
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https://twitter.com/MetroNewsCanada/status/925056001937694720 lol https://twitter.com/FinsUpSailor/status/925060570776190976 lmao
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Oct 30, 2017 19:06
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Bleu posted:They're probably the most left-wing provincial government in the country except for their constant cuddling with big oil. They are only cuddly with big oil in comparison to other governments that are very anti-oil. They are decidedly less cuddly with the industry than the PCs ever were, or the UCP would be. If we continue to pressure them to help build other segments of the economy, eventually they can wean themselves off that connection, but at this point I'm okay with them not acting as an outright enemy of the energy industry.
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THC posted:https://twitter.com/MetroNewsCanada/status/925056001937694720 Campaign from the left, govern from the right. The Liberal way!
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After the relentless clusterfuck of broken promises we've seen, I would literally rather vote for an actual house fire than a Liberal candidate in every future federal election for the rest of my life. I mean, that coffin only really needed one more nail, and that was them swearing up, down, and sideways that they'd pursue electoral reform and then immediately changing their minds when FPTP gave them a majority, but god drat they have just been filling that loving coffin with so many nails that it's more nail than coffin at this point
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cougar cub posted:I don’t know how you look at the changes to labour standards and say the ANDP is centrist. Basic workplace safety regulations: a socialist plot.
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Oct 30, 2017 19:56
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That'll teach you to look into cabinet minister's personal finances.
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Yeah like it's straight up a given that I won't vote conservative because I'm not rich, an idiot, a psychopath, or PT6A, but it was nice having two other vaguely viable options in each election. It feels weird and unpleasant to be an NDP man by default because all other parties are either unconscionable or untenable. I don't think this is how democracy is supposed to work.
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PT6A posted:They are only cuddly with big oil in comparison to other governments that are very anti-oil. They are decidedly less cuddly with the industry than the PCs ever were, or the UCP would be. Sure, that's fair. Nobody should ask the NDP to ignore the interests of their constituents, and right now for a lot of them that's selling carbon.
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Angry Diplomat posted:Yeah like it's straight up a given that I won't vote conservative because I'm not rich, an idiot, a psychopath, or PT6A, but it was nice having two other vaguely viable options in each election. It feels weird and unpleasant to be an NDP man by default because all other parties are either unconscionable or untenable. I don't think this is how democracy is supposed to work. Between the Liberals and the CPC from my perspective it's a case of vote for the party that is going to gently caress us all while pandering to me specifically (CPC) or the party that is going to gently caress us all while not pandering to me at all (LPC). So at least now I won't be tempted to vote strategically because gently caress both of those options.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It's the Alberta NDP's fault oil is under $100 a barrel. Kenny will bring back $100 oil. this is what 50% of the province actually believes lmao
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Angry Diplomat posted:After the relentless clusterfuck of broken promises we've seen, I would literally rather vote for an actual house fire than a Liberal candidate in every future federal election for the rest of my life. I thought we'd agreed two years ago that a liberal government that broke promises would be in every way better than a conservative government that kept them. You don't get to uncurl the monkey's finger after you get your wish.
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There's no reason to feel weird if you support the NDP. Rex Murphy isn't your dad.
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flakeloaf posted:I thought we'd agreed two years ago that a liberal government that broke promises would be in every way better than a conservative government that kept them. You don't get to uncurl the monkey's finger after you get your wish. A lot of things are better than a Conservative government behaving as it can be expected to, but that doesn't mean we have to pretend that a Liberal government doing the same isn't also loving terrible and unacceptable. "lovely, but not as lovely as it could be" is a really amazingly bad standard to which to hold the actual, top-level governance of one's entire country imo
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PT6A posted:They are only cuddly with big oil in comparison to other governments that are very anti-oil. They are decidedly less cuddly with the industry than the PCs ever were, or the UCP would be. Any government that isn't anti-oil is anti-humanity. The oil industry is literally trying to kill us all so that they can live comfortably in the meantime.
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Well the ANDP aren't mincing words. https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/status/925085211179679744
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Oct 30, 2017 21:04
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The ndp is cool and good if you support terrorism
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I really, really hope neither the Alberta nor Federal govs go Conservative next elections. I'm a bit worried with all of the trolls and fake news/outrage talking points out there on social media  . ANDP is doing good work. LPC should get their act together, tho. Scheer and the CPC are scumbags. Kenney and the UCP are scumbags.https://twitter.com/UniteAlberta/status/924424350257709056
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apatheticman posted:Well the ANDP aren't mincing words. Rachel Notley has won me the gently caress over. That's exactly what needed to be said and she said it.
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Yellow Ant posted:I really, really hope neither the Alberta nor Federal govs go Conservative next elections. I'm a bit worried with all of the trolls and fake news/outrage talking points out there on social media
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How do you know you've become prosperous tho
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namaste faggots posted:How do you know you've become prosperous tho you aren't lining up at a food bank #strongmiddleclass
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namaste faggots posted:How do you know you've become prosperous tho When 9 out of 10 of the board of oil executives agree that its time to invest in social welfare to help quell the rioting, only then are we truly prosperous.
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PittTheElder posted:Basic workplace safety regulations: a socialist plot. OHS is still under review and no legislation has been put forward.
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cougar cub posted:OHS is still under review and no legislation has been put forward. Wasn't Hal the one arguing that removing labour safety exemptions was the deathknell for the family farm?
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vyelkin posted:Any government that isn't anti-oil is anti-humanity. Any provincial government that's anti oil is unelectable in Alberta. Overall I'm pretty alright with the compromises Notley has made. This province is full of reprehensible idiots though so I'm not looking forward to the next fourty years of conservative government now that they aren't vote splitting again.
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Bleu posted:They're probably the most left-wing provincial government in the country except for their constant cuddling with big oil. Part of being economically left is supporting industries that pay regular people well as much as the hippies will hate that its a reality. The one thing the NDP has done exceedingly well at is balancing an extremely profitable industry that pays workers with the need for more regulation and oversight on corporations. Ofcourse nobody operates in reality anymore so that just means they get attacked from both sides on that issue.
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"hippies" are the only people who believe in the fake glo-bull warming scam
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Not really, there's a difference between reduction and complete elimination- which is an entirely unfeasible task unless we get some crazy tech breakthroughs. Like, it's impossible right now for any sort of any sort of intercontinental transport to use anything but liquid or solid fuels, and a nuclear powered plane or cargo ship have far more environmental issues than anything that uses liquid fuel. berenzen fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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A lot of environmentalists still preach "never nuclear" too, which is doing far more harm than good. We could have reactors with safe failure states that can run off of the nuclear waste we have sitting around from 30 year old reactor designs, but there's no market for them because the people who want to get off coal don't want nuclear either.
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Nuclear everything imo. Wanna play Angry Birds on a nuclear mobile phone
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THC posted:"hippies" are the only people who believe in the fake glo-bull warming scam agreed there's an absolute binary between "regular people" and "hippies" and only hippies care about the fact that we are literally making our planet uninhabitable for human life there's your daily dose of operating in reality
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So apparently NBCC is starting a pot growing course starting next month to help get people to Organigram in Moncton. Obviously I applied. This has been your bi-annual NB update.
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vyelkin posted:agreed there's an absolute binary between "regular people" and "hippies" and only hippies care about the fact that we are literally making our planet uninhabitable for human life
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Jesus Christ that UniteAlberta tweet is basically "gently caress you and compassion until we're rich".
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Risky Bisquick posted:you aren't lining up at a food bank #strongmiddleclass  It's when you're rolling up to a food bank in your Porsche SUV to game the system.
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