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Oh man they muted the sound for the plan so we know it's gonna work. The ending doesn't land because it's yet more tonal whiplash. Burnham gets out of the tight spot by committing gruesome suicide and then we're into a light-hearted "uh oh daddy's mad!" ending. The romance subplot has the same tonal problems. Definitely the best episode so far and able to pull off a staple genre hour of TV but the tonal problems and stilted dialog are still there. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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"Bad Grimdark Star Trek" but "why did they let Mudd go what pussies". Keep fuckin' that cake and eat it too.
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Oct 31, 2017 04:20
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SpeakSlow posted:"Bad Grimdark Star Trek" but "why did they let Mudd go what pussies". This is the thing that needs to stop.
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Oct 31, 2017 04:41
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This show needs to get over Michael. Why in the gently caress does everyone in this universe have to route everything they do through her? What is so loving great about Michael? Stamets has to play a game of telephone instead of going straight to the captain because Michael must be included in all things at all times. Also, Michael is not worth more than the Discovery to the Klingons. A ship that has potential to win the war is infinitely more important than T'kuvma's killer. Nobody even gave a poo poo about T'kuvma, except for Voq.
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Oct 31, 2017 04:47
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I want a DISCO shirt.
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Oct 31, 2017 04:47
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Months of reading grimdark this and grimdark that, boy howdy I'll be damned if I'm not going to make two posts poking the poo poo out of those who used it so damned often. So yeah, two posts. I'm done. Anyways, in regards to the iterative nature of the loops, the episode gives us the first iteration, then skips around between the loops. Mudd learns from his first direct approach that a simple shoot-out takes too long with the half-hour given. The 'second' iteration we see, however, he knows way more about the crew and ship than just that one direct attempt could give him, so it's obvious that we're well into the process at that point. The loop structure is played-with, even going out-of-order to highlight a choice selection of Lorca deaths in "flashback". They play with the concept with Mudd and Stamets learning from each iteration and the fact that while Mudd mostly avoided contact with others until he was ready to make his move, Stamets was using his relationships with the crew to put together his own response. Came-out pretty well too, with Lorca being able to get away from any odd questions about him leaving another human in the hands of the Klingons, questions that would have certainly come-up from a Starfleet interrogation along with any odd secrets Mudd was able to put together during his time on the ship. As for Mudd, he's in the hands of someone with a vested interest in making sure that he's under lock-and-key. Someone who knows better than to trust him or anything he chooses to share. Great episode and glad that the series has the balls to throw in tonal shifts without having to babysit the viewer through each shift. Where people see plot holes, I see trust from the creators in their viewers. Where people see inappropriate language and behavior, I see a marked improvement over the lame, monocle popping humor or boring relationship dynamics that TNG too-often fell-back on. Face it. We've seen the future, and the future is DISCO.
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Oct 31, 2017 05:41
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Grand Fromage posted:The opening is growing on me too, but I think it cuts out right when it gets good. Some of the visuals are neat too, like Discovery silhouette flying over that Martian crater. I think I see at least two references to other Star Trek shows in the opening: Once when the communicator 'dissolves' and the way it does looks kind of like the way DS9's wormhole pulsated - and this could be me just looking for something. But the one that's definitely there is as the first Klingon Batleth is 'forming' on screen, it briefly takes the form of the Doomsday Machine.
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Oct 31, 2017 05:58
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It would have been cool to see more of Stamets' and Mudd's points of view as they have a groundhog day battle instead of showing a space prom 40 times.
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Oct 31, 2017 06:14
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SpeakSlow posted:Face it. We've seen the future, and the future is DISCO. quote:Face it. We've seen the future, and the future is JJTREK. quote:Face it. We've seen the future, and the future is ENT. quote:Face it. We've seen the future, and the future is VOY. 
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Oct 31, 2017 06:19
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withak posted:I want a DISCO shirt. Official ones are available for order now.
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Oct 31, 2017 06:50
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SpeakSlow posted:Anyways, in regards to the iterative nature of the loops, the episode gives us the first iteration, then skips around between the loops. Mudd learns from his first direct approach that a simple shoot-out takes too long with the half-hour given. The 'second' iteration we see, however, he knows way more about the crew and ship than just that one direct attempt could give him, so it's obvious that we're well into the process at that point. The loop structure is played-with, even going out-of-order to highlight a choice selection of Lorca deaths in "flashback". They play with the concept with Mudd and Stamets learning from each iteration and the fact that while Mudd mostly avoided contact with others until he was ready to make his move, Stamets was using his relationships with the crew to put together his own response. You’re on SA. People on SA don’t know how to watch television. They don’t understand how many time loops happened. Or that Stamets learned every time and after learning Burnham’s secret was easily able to distill all the pertinent info to her, Tyler and Lorca by the last loop.
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Oct 31, 2017 06:54
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CaveGrinch posted:You’re on SA. People on SA don’t know how to watch television. They don’t understand how many time loops happened. Or that Stamets learned every time and after learning Burnham’s secret was easily able to distill all the pertinent info to her, Tyler and Lorca by the last loop. People ask these questions in disbelief, not confusion. This show is bad, but that is okay because most Star Trek since DS9 has been pretty bad.
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Oct 31, 2017 07:11
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I learned a thing about Paul Stamets today. I think the page speaks for itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Stamets
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Oct 31, 2017 07:28
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withak posted:I want a DISCO shirt. I remember in University a Brazilian guy told me that if, overseas, you ever want to find and meet American people all you have to do is look for places that sell T-shirts because Americans love that poo poo for some reason.
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Oct 31, 2017 07:41
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It's probably been said in some form a hundred times already but this probably would have been my favorite episode, even if it is an amalgamation of a few already-done episodes, if it wasn't for Mudd being a serial killer out of Hannibal (in that he's things like smart, charismatic, improbably resourceful - time control, gaining control over the computer). This is Star Trek, I can accept random people being able to take over the ship for little to no reason, I can accept a 30 minute time loop wristwatch. But as soon as Mudd starts vaporizing, stabbing, literally torturing, its just weird. They were definitely going for dark humour, especially with the Lorca death loop, but it really didn't come across like that. I also get the Mudd eventually learned that the best route wasn't to kill anyone and time flim-flam means no one actually died and that Mudd is certainly the kind of person that also 100% thinks he didn't actually kill anyone because time loop but.... Weird is really the only way I can describe it. I've been trying to talk about it with a friend for like 5 minutes and I just can't do it adequately. Edit: Also those DISCO shirts are totally amazing.
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Oct 31, 2017 08:00
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withak posted:I want a DISCO shirt. $118 dollarydoos for 2 shirts, gently caress that.
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Oct 31, 2017 08:49
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twistedmentat posted:I like how the dude at the party goes to kiss Tilly and she pulls away and his body language was very "oh okay" as if he realized he over stepped. In the future all music is classical, jazz or lovely alien chimes.
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Oct 31, 2017 08:55
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essay about Star Trek and music.
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The Human Crouton posted:It would have been cool to see more of Stamets' and Mudd's points of view as they have a groundhog day battle instead of showing a space prom 40 times.
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Oct 31, 2017 09:34
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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And More posted:Just to clarify, by "you guys" you mean the nostalgic, hateful pedophiles, right? I think they like little children. yes those people do the people making GBS threads on this show like anything
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Oct 31, 2017 09:36
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misguided rage posted:Nah that sort of thing's been done. I liked the concept of a groundhog day episode from the perspective of someone not doing the groundhogging. That was the best bit about it other than Rainn Wilson. He better be around every season, like Doug Judy.
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Oct 31, 2017 10:51
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And More posted:Just to clarify, by "you guys" you mean the nostalgic, hateful pedophiles, right? I think they like little children. They have their own song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGF5ROpjRAU
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Oct 31, 2017 10:54
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SpeakSlow posted:Months of reading grimdark this and grimdark that The problem with Mudd getting away with it is not the "Mudd getting away with", but the "it", where "it" is sadistic mass murder (we've seen for 20min) and sabotaging a war that's been consistently painted as rather grim and dark (i.e., everyone's gonna end up in the Klingon torture ships we've seen ourselves).
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Oct 31, 2017 10:57
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Mudd knows every detail about Starfleet's secret weapon, and they released him to father-in-law arms dealer during a war.
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Oct 31, 2017 11:05
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The Human Crouton posted:Mudd knows every detail about Starfleet's secret weapon, and they released him to father-in-law arms dealer during a war. He had to get away somehow because Kirk 
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Oct 31, 2017 11:11
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Having a groundhog day episode with the villain looping too is kind of a neat twist, as is a groundhog day episode where we mostly follow the people who *aren't* looping, so I can appreciate the episode for that even if they didn't quite pull it off to my satisfaction. Also, "why aren't you stuck in the time loop" "well, the tardigrade is a multi-dimensional creature..." might just be my favourite bit of technobabble so far.
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Oct 31, 2017 11:18
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:In the future all music is classical, jazz or lovely alien chimes. Riker is the worst offender in season 1, chilling out watching a hologram of a bunch of women playing lyres. Unless they were about to get down with each other, that was just ridiculous.
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Oct 31, 2017 11:33
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Was that the largest thing ever blown through a Trek transporter? I can't recall anything that large ever being transported... Even in TNG they needed special pylons to put around larger hauls that were smaller than that creature.
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Oct 31, 2017 11:38
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Shatner by movie 6 LoL But really, humpback whales or a shuttle.
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Oct 31, 2017 11:44
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Last episode was great. A crib of "Cause and Effect" from TNG, but it still hit all of the right Trek notes. Felt good. The lovely thing about watching this on Netflix is that they don't include the After Trek stuff, or the preview of next week's episode. Unless it's there and I'm just too thick to find it.
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Oct 31, 2017 12:09
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DaveKap posted:Was that the largest thing ever blown through a Trek transporter? e:f,b
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Oct 31, 2017 12:13
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Ash Tyler playing the Riker role in this episode was super fun. I sincerely hope he's not a secret Klingon.
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Oct 31, 2017 12:15
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lol at Mudd transporting himself and others effortlessly around the ship and into space with a casual wave of his hand. o'brien's-resignation.jpg
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Oct 31, 2017 12:16
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Chop Sunni posted:o'brien's-resignation.jpg 
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misguided rage posted:Nah that sort of thing's been done. I liked the concept of a groundhog day episode from the perspective of someone not doing the groundhogging. I was saying this when the episode finished - it's interesting to do a groundhog day episode from the perspective of a person outside of the loop. I did enjoy it but I don't get how the stuff Tilly and Burnham discovered in the penultimate loop was given to Stamets because Mudd had him.
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Oct 31, 2017 12:25
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Drone posted:Last episode was great. A crib of "Cause and Effect" from TNG, but it still hit all of the right Trek notes. Felt good. It usually starts playing After Trek straight after the episode for me, in the UK.
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Oct 31, 2017 12:28
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DaveKap posted:Was that the largest thing ever blown through a Trek transporter? Phrasing
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Oct 31, 2017 12:34
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shadok posted:Was about to post this. It was “Staying Alive”. Also I really liked the exterior shot of Discovery’s Ten Forward with the coloured party lights. Nice little detail. It was Wycleaf Jean's "We Trying to Stay Alive" so a few decades too late to be disco.
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Oct 31, 2017 12:40
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I just realised I would probably enjoy watching this episode again.
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Oct 31, 2017 12:54
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The show is getting better and is really growing on me. This episode was really good and I'm looking forward to the next one.
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Drone posted:Last episode was great. A crib of "Cause and Effect" from TNG, but it still hit all of the right Trek notes. Felt good. the after trek poo poo plays automatically within milliseconds of the credits starting, it might not be available in your country for some reason
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