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AlphaDog posted:The 2e high level campaign abilities were great at the time though, for sure. They don't seem hard to port across, it'd mostly be adjusting the level/HD numbers, yeah? The ones that require skill checks are well-suited to be converted to limited-use abilities that recharge on an X-Rest.
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AlphaDog posted:I'm going to complain that nobody's discussing the game instead of interacting with any of the effortposts from the last few pages. I've been interacting with fighter options. I think they work better as a tiered Martial Adept feat rather than limited to one class of fighter, so any martial character can benefit from them and reach the kinds of crazy power around 16th-20th level. Basically spreading Battle Master maneuvers around while still allowing Battle Masters the higher superiority die and the 15th level refresh ability. It looks promising and I'm likely to add it it to my campaign. The arguments for boosting the fighter are persuasive.
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clusterfuck posted:I've been interacting with fighter options. I think they work better as a tiered Martial Adept feat rather than limited to one class of fighter, so any martial character can benefit from them and reach the kinds of crazy power around 16th-20th level. Basically spreading Battle Master maneuvers around while still allowing Battle Masters the higher superiority die and the 15th level refresh ability. It looks promising and I'm likely to add it it to my campaign. The arguments for boosting the fighter are persuasive. Yeah we tend to talk-up the Fighter a lot because they're the most egregious example of class disparity, but anything that's good for the Fighter is also good for the Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian, and Rogue. Particularly, the Rogue should be capable of the kinds of poo poo you'd see in late-game Dishonored.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:32
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Splicer posted:The flaw in your plan is the posters with the best homebrews and advice are also the ones with the harshest criticisms. Sure, but perhaps the posts that do nothing but complain about the game and tell people to stop being so stupid could go somewhere else? Just like Monsterenvys unrelenting sycophantic praise isn't much use either. There's a difference between useful criticism and "LOL THIS IS BAD" being posted ad - infinitum.
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I think high-level barbarians should be allowed to smack the time-space continuum into submission and teleport to wherever they want. Similarly, rogues should be able to steal abstract concepts or things that aren't there.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:33
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AlphaDog posted:I'm going to complain that nobody's discussing the game instead of interacting with any of the effortposts from the last few pages. Oh you know they can be read and then people can think "What's the point in commenting because anything said will just be lost in the ongoing hatefest"
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Oct 31, 2017 14:36
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah we tend to talk-up the Fighter a lot because they're the most egregious example of class disparity, but anything that's good for the Fighter is also good for the Paladin, Ranger, Barbarian, and Rogue. Yes that's right and being a tiered Martial Adept feat any class can benefit, however it works for them. Serf posted:I think high-level barbarians should be allowed to smack the time-space continuum into submission and teleport to wherever they want. Similarly, rogues should be able to steal abstract concepts or things that aren't there. Any DM that doesn't let that happen is a bum.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:42
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Angrymog posted:Oh you know they can be read and then people can think "What's the point in commenting because anything said will just be lost in the ongoing hatefest" Your sole contribution the last month has been a question then several posts whining about and exaggerating what other people have posted. Be the change you want to see.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:48
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What is the current opinion on the Mystic class from the UA? One of my players wants to play one, which is okay with me, but I want to be sure that I bring the proper opposition to bear if that class brings more power than other established classes.
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Oct 31, 2017 14:53
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Your sole contribution the last month has been a question then several posts whining about and exaggerating what other people have posted. Or you could look a bit further back and see that I have contributed answers and suggestions in the past. The thing is I feel that if I posted anything to the thread that I'd spent effort on you'd all laugh because I did something other than hate the game.
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clusterfuck posted:I've been interacting with fighter options. I think they work better as a tiered Martial Adept feat rather than limited to one class of fighter, so any martial character can benefit from them and reach the kinds of crazy power around 16th-20th level. Basically spreading Battle Master maneuvers around while still allowing Battle Masters the higher superiority die and the 15th level refresh ability. It looks promising and I'm likely to add it it to my campaign. The arguments for boosting the fighter are persuasive. At level 2 give Fighters a couple of martial power dice as default, no feats required, and give them precise strike and a maneuver based on their fighting style. At level 3 they get another maneuver based on their archetype. Give additional dice when they get an ASI, a new maneuver when they gain a new attack, and gate higher manoeuvres behind "you must have this many attacks to ride".
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Another suggestion for fighters is to give them a bunch of combat maneuvers to do at will that don't take dice or anything. This can be accomplished by jacking up their attack score and then letting them opt into a series of stuff at a penalty Examples of these that would mainly be rolloffs: parries at a +10 to hit bonus , disarms at a -5, or even nonrolloff called shots to arms and legs at a -5 and to head at a -10. That kind of thing, adjust to taste. so instead of saying "I attack" they could go after specific things nonstop. Especially as they get more attacks - use one to parry the giant's attack, one to try to disarm him , one to power attack him. that kinda jazz edit: ha just like the guy above me said, just a different route
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Angrymog posted:Or you could look a bit further back and see that I have contributed answers and suggestions in the past. Your own personal unfounded fears are not the thread's fault. MonsterEnvy gets made fun of for being an unbudging koolaid drinker that would sooner shred his dignity than admit anything is wrong with 5e. Lots of other people contribute, and discuss, and just talk about the game, without throwing this big fit that you've strawmanned up. Post something you've worked on, if you have. You'll get helpful criticism and advice like anyone else.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Your sole contribution the last month has been a question then several posts whining about and exaggerating what other people have posted. Based on the quality of the posts after his reply compared to the quality of posts before it, his was the best contribution in the thread
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High-level rangers should have like an army of beasts at their disposal and be on some Green Arrow poo poo with exploding arrows, splitting arrows, crazy ricochet or impossible shots. I think high-level pallies should be able to just straight up become an avatar of their god or belief and wreck poo poo.
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Oct 31, 2017 15:20
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SettingSun posted:What is the current opinion on the Mystic class from the UA? One of my players wants to play one, which is okay with me, but I want to be sure that I bring the proper opposition to bear if that class brings more power than other established classes. They have a lot of choices to make so power level can vary significantly. An damage optimized mystic is pretty powerful and can do more damage than most other classes in one round
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Oct 31, 2017 15:20
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Splicer posted:What kind of wizard? Evocation.
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Serf posted:High-level rangers should have like an army of beasts at their disposal and be on some Green Arrow poo poo with exploding arrows, splitting arrows, crazy ricochet or impossible shots. I think high-level pallies should be able to just straight up become an avatar of their god or belief and wreck poo poo. Ready for Oath of the Common Man paladin to transform into pure communism, hammer in one hand, sickle in the other.
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mastershakeman posted:Another suggestion for fighters is to give them a bunch of combat maneuvers to do at will that don't take dice or anything. This can be accomplished by jacking up their attack score and then letting them opt into a series of stuff at a penalty This is almost exactly what Mike Mearls did in his Book of Iron Might 3.5 supplement. Applying effects like tripping, causing blindness, reducing ability scores, or making called shots would impose a penalty on the attack roll, and you either sucked it up and assumed you had the attack bonus to spare, or you'd take "drawbacks" to the effect to reduce the penalty. For example, a Forced Movement effect would impose a -10 penalty to the attack roll. The Effect-only Drawback would reduce the penalty by 5, but would cause the attack to only deal the effect, no damage. The Attack of Opportunity Drawback would reduce the penalty by 5, but would cause the attack to trigger an AOO. You could make it reduce the penalty by 10, if you took a further drawback that the attack fails if the AOO hits. The Full-Round Action Drawback would reduce the penalty by 5, but would cause the attack to require your Full-Round Action to perform. I don't really consider this a flattering comparison, since all Mearls did was give you the building blocks to reinvent the Core Trip rules: -20 penalty to inflict a knockdown effect Attack of Opportunity Drawback to reduce the penalty by 10 Effect-only Drawback to reduce the penalty by 5 Opposed Check Drawback to reduce the penalty by 5
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unseenlibrarian posted:Ready for Oath of the Common Man paladin to transform into pure communism, hammer in one hand, sickle in the other. i can only get so erect
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unseenlibrarian posted:Ready for Oath of the Common Man paladin to transform into pure communism, hammer in one hand, sickle in the other. Going to write that one down for a future character
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gradenko_2000 posted:This is almost exactly what Mike Mearls did in his Book of Iron Might 3.5 supplement. that's funny, because I was parroting the 2.5e combat and tactics stuff. 2e had fighters get an attack roll increase every level, priests every 2/3s, fighters every 1/2, and wizards every 1/3 so fighters had attack roll to spare to power this basically against things without super ac , you could choose between near certainty of hitting and doing something more powerful at a risk of it not happening. using superiority dice might be the better way, but I like not having any limits on how often you can do it (I.e. 4 called shots to the head a round or something where you just go all out on one option,)
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Sion posted:Evocation. e: also take find familiar as a spell for owlvantage shenanigans Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Splicer posted:Spell Sniper. You want to get your int to 20 by level 12, but if you're going Variant Human you might want to look at taking SS and Lucky or SS and Alert. I went for tiefling. I have int 18 currently and I've spent the feat or boost at level 4 on getting me to that point. I can get to 8 and get to 20 and 12 can be the feat. Warcaster seems pretty good? owlvantage?
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Battlemaster should have been the core of the fighter class and the subclasses should become built around superiority dice as a resource for doing cool stuff in different flavors. RIP
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Sion posted:I went for tiefling. I have int 18 currently and I've spent the feat or boost at level 4 on getting me to that point. I can get to 8 and get to 20 and 12 can be the feat. Warcaster seems pretty good? I would invest in one feat to boost your Concentration checks, either Resilient (Constitution) or War Caster depending on which you prefer. I like to start with an odd number in Con and take Resilient (Constitution) myself. mango sentinel posted:Battlemaster should have been the core of the fighter class and the subclasses should become built around superiority dice as a resource for doing cool stuff in different flavors. This would never happen because Mearls insists there must be a "very simple" fighter for people who want to sit at the table but not play the game. It seems to me the entire fighter class has to suffer because the Champion archetype must exist for Mearls' vision. At least, that's the impression I got looking back through the playtest articles and then looking at what we got.
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Sion posted:I went for tiefling. I have int 18 currently and I've spent the feat or boost at level 4 on getting me to that point. I can get to 8 and get to 20 and 12 can be the feat. Warcaster seems pretty good? If you take an owl familiar you can do this: 1) owl flies in 2) uses assist action to give you advantage on next attack roll against target 3) uses fly by attack to disengage for free and fly straight up 4) you attack with advantage 4) repeat until a monster gets sick of constant owl to the face and blows a bunch of attacks trying to shoot it. See also: tiny invisible demonvantage Magil Zeal posted:I would invest in one feat to boost your Concentration checks, either Resilient (Constitution) or War Caster depending on which you prefer. I like to start with an odd number in Con and take Resilient (Constitution) myself. Splicer fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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I need some help. Tonight I'm running a new character I haven't had time to flesh out at all. We are running an all goblin campaign for Against the Giants. I'm playing a goblin Tempest Cleric of Deep Sashelas. Chaotic Neutral Give me a personality and backstory to run with for tonight. RC Cola fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Any Warlock I build won't go anywhere without their helpful buddy Mr Noodle, a Quasit that humps the head of any creature I'm attacking, while invisible.
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Angrymog posted:Sure, but perhaps the posts that do nothing but complain about the game and tell people to stop being so stupid could go somewhere else? Just like Monsterenvys unrelenting sycophantic praise isn't much use either. The thing is, your idea of two threads was given a try a year or two ago. The positive thread died pretty quickly.
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RC Cola posted:I also need a good goblin name Mike Mearls
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Ainsley McTree posted:Mike Mearls an insult to the good name of goblins
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RC Cola posted:I also need a good goblin name
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People praising 2E for having fighters that were good - please, no. 2E was better than 3E in this regard, but it was still very much Caster Edition. Good saves and a billion attacks improve the class, but don't save it. A caster can still have Mirror Image, Blur, Stoneskin, etc etc etc up, or have Contingency set up at higher level. Oh yeah and Fly still exists. And, well, 2E had the splatbook treadmill that meant a billion extra spells and classes. D&D has always given casters more narrative weight, but 2E AD&D and on is when casters really started being able to dictate the game, I think.
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RC Cola posted:I need some help. You are Gayl Zapt the Mad. You and your parents where captured during a failed raid on a human village and sold into slavery. While being shipped to your new owner, the boat was sunk by a storm, which you only survived due to the intervention of dolphins. They helped bring you to a small deserted island, where they helped you survive by bringing you fish. You remained on that island for years, coming to worship the local dolphins as well as the frequent storms that plagued the area. Eventually, your prayers brought you rescue in the form of an eleven boat forced to anchor nearby during the storm. Upon hearing your tale, they brought you to the temple of Deep Sashelas, whose priests trained you despite your hyperactive goblin nature, further unhinged by your time alone on the island. Adjust to taste and/or campaign setting.
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Darwinism posted:People praising 2E for having fighters that were good - please, no. 2E was better than 3E in this regard, but it was still very much Caster Edition. Good saves and a billion attacks improve the class, but don't save it. A caster can still have Mirror Image, Blur, Stoneskin, etc etc etc up, or have Contingency set up at higher level. Oh yeah and Fly still exists. And, well, 2E had the splatbook treadmill that meant a billion extra spells and classes. I dunno about that. Several hundred soldiers and some levelled sidekicks give you an awful lot of narrative pull.
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AlphaDog posted:I dunno about that. Several hundred soldiers and some levelled sidekicks give you an awful lot of narrative pull. Yeah I don't like it as a mechanic but having your own personal army and competent minions was pretty strong. I feel like these days if Fighters got sidekicks it would just read "works the same as the Simulacrum spell." Which version of D&D had a description of a lamp that said "casts light as per the Light spell."
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AlphaDog posted:I dunno about that. Several hundred soldiers and some levelled sidekicks give you an awful lot of narrative pull. That works on a thought experiment level rather than a game table level. I've basically never seen cohorts run as much of anything besides "yeah you have a cool fort and maybe some help now and then but gently caress you Bob I'm not managing army level conflicts"
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Like, 2e wizards were still more powerful then fighters at higher levels, but 2e was still legit the high point for fighters before 4e, at least in the AD&D product line. The AD&D Fighter was mediocre and worse then the paladin and ranger in every way. We all know what the 3e fighter was. And we know what the 5e fighter is, and now I'm remembering that some nerds legit believe in a reverse Star Trek movie kinda thing, and it's hilarious that this matches up perfectly with fighters being good.
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