NCAA Week 9 Aftermath: A second Cyclone has hit the building

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Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

NUKES CURE NORKS posted:

Oh it’s the annual “we said we wanted a playoff and now we have one but now we want a bigger playoff” conversation.

Here’s the best solution: have a conference title game. You win the game you make the playoffs, even if you won the conference title game and have a 6-5 overall record.

P5 and three at large for the G5.

People will still bitch but hey, people always bitch.

I want a playoff that has god honest criteria to get into, like every other playoff system in the world

Not another bloody opinion poll

# ? Oct 31, 2017 17:58

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 19:30

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

I would be stunned if UGA isn't 1. It'll probably be like 1)UGA, 2)Bama, 3)Wisconsin, and then OU, OSU, or ND at 4, which people will spend the next week freaking out about even though the early ranking has never mattered

# ? Oct 31, 2017 17:58

Lasagna Pilot: Feb 6, 2009; No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.

I don't get the Bama schedule talk unless the point is to say Bama doesn't have enough there to absorb a loss to Georgia and still get a playoff spot.

Comparing their AP top 25 wins to Wisconsin toward the disingenuous idea that there is no available info to suggest Bama is better than them is silly.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 17:59

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

Lasagna Pilot posted:

I don't get the Bama schedule talk unless the point is to say Bama doesn't have enough there to absorb a loss to Georgia and still get a playoff spot.

Comparing their AP top 25 wins to Wisconsin toward the disingenuous idea that there is no available info to suggest Bama is better than them is silly.

I don't think it means Bama is bad I just think it's funny no one brings it up

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:00

Emron: Aug 2, 2005

MourningView posted:

I would be stunned if UGA isn't 1. It'll probably be like 1)UGA, 2)Bama, 3)Wisconsin, and then OU, OSU, or ND at 4, which people will spend the next week freaking out about even though the early ranking has never mattered

I�m looking forward to the weeks of �who should be number 4� arguments when only the last ranking has any meaning

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:01

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I want a playoff that has god honest criteria to get into, like every other playoff system in the world

Not another bloody opinion poll

This.

MourningView posted:

I would be stunned if UGA isn't 1. It'll probably be like 1)UGA, 2)Bama, 3)Wisconsin, and then OU, OSU, or ND at 4, which people will spend the next week freaking out about even though the early ranking has never mattered

Like hell Bucky is getting 3rd. They'll put OSU above us even if they have a loss.

(I reserve the right to be wrong)

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:01

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

MourningView posted:

I don't think it means Bama is bad I just think it's funny no one brings it up

The reason no one brings it up is because everyone has bought into the narrative that the SEC is the toughest conference when in reality it's just the Big Ten with a different coat of paint. You have the top team, challengers du jour, and everyone else. Occasionally one of the challengers will knock off the top, but it doesn't last long.

That's how most conferences are, really.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:04

Emron: Aug 2, 2005

iospace posted:

The reason no one brings it up is because everyone has bought into the narrative that the SEC is the toughest conference when in reality it's just the Big Ten with a different coat of paint. You have the top team, challengers du jour, and everyone else. Occasionally one of the challengers will knock off the top, but it doesn't last long.

That's how most conferences are, really.

I don�t think anyone serious has thought the SEC is the toughest conference for years now. It was the case (in my opinion) back in, like, 2009 at the latest, but once coach firings started happening, it�s been mediocre at best. I think the big 12 is probably the generally toughest conference this year, followed by the ACC.

The big 10 and the SEC suffer from the same problem imo: unbalanced top end teams that all the rest destroy their development chasing. No one wants to be good-but-not-best and end up hurting themselves to that end.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:09

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

iospace posted:

This.

Like hell Bucky is getting 3rd. They'll put OSU above us even if they have a loss.

(I reserve the right to be wrong)

They tend to give the benefit of the doubt to undefeated P5 teams. 2015 Iowa caused everyone to have a collective existential meltdown and got way more poo poo for their schedule than Wisconsin has, and they still got all the way up to like number 2. If Wisconsin keeps winning they're fine, even though I think there are a couple 1 loss teams who are probably better (including OSU)

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:11

Manoueverable: Oct 23, 2010; Dubs Loves Wubs

I'm trying to think of any permutation of results that could get Washington in at 4 and lol never mind I still can't believe we loving lost to ASU

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:11

boop the snoot: Jun 3, 2016

MourningView posted:

I appreciate you presenting this as though you are the first person to ever think of it

You could say this about any post regarding the playoff since it gets rehashed annually.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:31

Dilber: Mar 27, 2007; TFLC
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I love having that Thomas Brown hasn't been a coach long enough to not give the truth in interviews. He called out the entire offense and coaching staff for our performance against UNC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqA-FGTaWbc

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:58

Neil Armbong: Jan 16, 2004; If anybody wants to see, there's a Donkey Kong kill screen coming up.; Pillbug

Mike Leach summed it up best this season when pointing out that every other level of football has multi round tournaments with conference championship and wildcards so the notion that FBS can't for reasons is utterly ridiculous.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 19:48

KKKLIP ART: Sep 3, 2004

I think Alabama gets #1 just due to inertia or benefit of the doubt or whatever you want to call it even if UGA does have a bit better of a schedule

# ? Oct 31, 2017 19:48

BI NOW GAY LATER: Jan 17, 2008; So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Neil Armbong posted:

Mike Leach summed it up best this season when pointing out that every other level of football has multi round tournaments with conference championship and wildcards so the notion that FBS can't for reasons is utterly ridiculous.

Mike Leach is being stupid.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 19:54

Chump Farts: May 9, 2009; There is no Coordinator but Narduzzi, and Shilique is his Prophet.

KKKLIP ART posted:

I think Alabama gets #1 just due to inertia or benefit of the doubt or whatever you want to call it even if UGA does have a bit better of a schedule

Early rankings are early rankings. Wiscy and OSU will play for it, as will UGA and Bama. Committee putting in OSU last year was a mistake, and they've probably learned to let conference championships sort it out.

If UGA deserves the 1 spot due to having a win over ND and crushing most of the SEC, then they can win out and secure that.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 19:57

Johnny Five-Jaces: Jan 21, 2009

Joey Freshwater posted:

I'm officially going to the Wisconsin - Iowa game. Any suggestions on where to go/what to do? We're staying at the Madison Hill Inn right off the square which is a good location I'm told and we've got pretty good seats, even though they're in the visitors section, I'm being made to wear red. I feel so dirty already.

The only thing I would add to what the other posters said is that if you want to have a nicer dinner one of the days you're there is to make the hike the other direction from the stadium up to Pig in a Fur Coat.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:01

Neil Armbong: Jan 16, 2004; If anybody wants to see, there's a Donkey Kong kill screen coming up.; Pillbug

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Mike Leach is being stupid.

What's different about FBS that they can't have longer tournaments like high school, FCS/Division II/etc, and the NFL?

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:03

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Neil Armbong posted:

What's different about FBS that they can't have longer tournaments like high school, FCS/Division II/etc, and the NFL?

THE SANCTITY OF MAH BOWLS :byodood:

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:04

Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

The only thing I would add to what the other posters said is that if you want to have a nicer dinner one of the days you're there is to make the hike the other direction from the stadium up to Pig in a Fur Coat.

Thanks, I think this would be good for Friday night

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:06

TheWordOfTheDayIs: Nov 9, 2009; Blessed with an unmatched sense of direction

In honor of Bedlam week I just want to encourage all of you to disrespect a Sooner and enjoy this collection of bedlam gifs:

Kick it again!

Watch your step!

The new "Statue of Liberty" play!

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:07

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

bowls are dope

Also if you're gonna keep adding games pay the dang players

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:08

Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:

In honor of Bedlam week I just want to encourage all of you to disrespect a Sooner and enjoy this collection of bedlam gifs:

Kick it again!

I wonder what it's like to be a college athlete and thinking you're fast and then have that happen to you. God drat

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:09

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:

In honor of Bedlam week I just want to encourage all of you to disrespect a Sooner

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:09

Seaniqua: Mar 12, 2004; "We'll see how the first year goes. But people better get us now, because we're going to keep getting better and better."

TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:

Watch your step!

this dude is very lucky he failed

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:10

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Serious talk here, part of why FBS hasn't moved to a larger, more objective playoff system is a combo of the following:

1. Tradition ("it's how it's always been done!")
2. Bowl ratings, even if it's two G5 6-6 teams.
3. "we play too many games already"
4. <INSERT REASON HERE>

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:10

Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

iospace posted:

Serious talk here, part of why FBS hasn't moved to a larger, more objective playoff system is a combo of the following:

1. Tradition ("it's how it's always been done!")
2. Bowl ratings, even if it's two G5 6-6 teams.
3. "we play too many games already"
4. <INSERT REASON HERE>

Switch one and two. One is only used as an excuse to not outright use #2. If they figured out that a playoff would make them more money they'd switch in a heartbeat.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:11

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

iospace posted:

2. Bowl ratings, even if it's two G5 6-6 teams.

Bowls do own, even between two 6-6 G5 teams and even if you went to a 16 team playoff most schools would never have a chance but they do have a chance at reaching 6-6 and going to a lovely bowl.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:12

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Thoguh posted:

Bowls do own, even between two 6-6 G5 teams and even if you went to a 16 team playoff most schools would never have a chance but they do have a chance at reaching 6-6 and going to a lovely bowl.

The problem is that most people act like the bowls and the playoffs are mutually exclusive. Why should they be? Don't make the playoffs, go to a bowl. Simple.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:14

Chump Farts: May 9, 2009; There is no Coordinator but Narduzzi, and Shilique is his Prophet.

Bowls are a really cool showcase of non-conference match-ups that teams are often too afraid to schedule.

Though now with NFL talent not wanting to injure themselves, it isn't always a full marquee showcase, but they are fun.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:21

KKKLIP ART: Sep 3, 2004

Chump Farts posted:

Early rankings are early rankings. Wiscy and OSU will play for it, as will UGA and Bama. Committee putting in OSU last year was a mistake, and they've probably learned to let conference championships sort it out.

If UGA deserves the 1 spot due to having a win over ND and crushing most of the SEC, then they can win out and secure that.

Oh yeah, I agree. I'm not trying to really lobby my case from my armchair why UGA should be ranked over Alabama. I feel like even if UGA came lower, if they win out and beat Alabama, they're in. No arguments there.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:52

Emron: Aug 2, 2005

As the season stands right now, UGA should be over Alabama but if they both win out, it�ll sort itself out, so it doesn�t matter too much.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:56

General Dog: Apr 26, 2008; Everybody's working for the weekend

Neil Armbong posted:

Mike Leach summed it up best this season when pointing out that every other level of football has multi round tournaments with conference championship and wildcards so the notion that FBS can't for reasons is utterly ridiculous.

FBS college football is better than every other level of football though

I think 8 teams would be ideal, but I'd rather stay at 4 than risk going to 12 or 16, because at that point the sport is basically ruined.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:56

SpiritualDeath: Jul 2, 2009; shaping your brain like pottery

General Dog posted:

FBS college football is better than every other level of football though

That's not because of its postseason set-up.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:07

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

General Dog posted:

FBS college football is better than every other level of football though

I think 8 teams would be ideal, but I'd rather stay at 4 than risk going to 12 or 16, because at that point the sport is basically ruined.

I've never agreed with a General Dog post before.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:11

Lasagna Pilot: Feb 6, 2009; No, you're dark-side intergalactic encyclopedia salesmen. Unfortunately, the home office hasn't been quite upfront with you.

Emron posted:

As the season stands right now, UGA should be over Alabama but if they both win out, it�ll sort itself out, so it doesn�t matter too much.

Right, it only matters right now in the sense that if Bama is #1 then that indicates a lot about how this committee is weighting the "who do I think would win if these two teams played right now" test vs resume and quality wins.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:21

KKKLIP ART: Sep 3, 2004

Really though if Iowa State isnt #4 this is a garbage poll and should be jettisoned from existence

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:37

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

KKKLIP ART posted:

Really though if Iowa State isnt #4 this is a garbage poll and should be jettisoned from existence

I ran the numbers and the math does check out.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:39

Emron: Aug 2, 2005

I�m pretty sure when the ratings come out you�ll be able to say that ISU has beaten as many top 25 teams as anyone in the top 4, maybe even top 2 combined.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:45

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 19:30

Neil Armbong: Jan 16, 2004; If anybody wants to see, there's a Donkey Kong kill screen coming up.; Pillbug

Emron posted:

I�m pretty sure when the ratings come out you�ll be able to say that ISU has beaten as many top 25 teams as anyone in the top 4, maybe even top 2 combined.

And in a reversal of fortune, losses to Texas and Iowa spoil their resume :smuggo:

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:47

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