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thorsilver posted:This looks pretty cool, and it's on sale at DriveThru for Halloween, so I think I'm gonna pick it up. For Gold and Glory is a 2e clone, and someone who posts in the thread worked on it.
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drrockso20 posted:It's based on BX instead but Adventurer Conqueror King System is pretty great, I'd also recommend Fantastic Heroes & Witchery cause it has a ton of stuff in it(among other things it had 666 spells included in it) macris is a gamergate/maga chud subhuman, so i wouldn't recommend buying his poo poo
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Oct 31, 2017 21:23
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thorsilver posted:I like a crunchier OSR game, my nostalgia is pretty laser-targeted at ADnD (mainly 2e but 1e is good too) so all the millions of Basic/etc. clones don't do a lot for me. What else is out there based on 1e/2e that's worth a shout? For Gold & Glory is a free 2E retroclone. I’ve got the print version, it’s a bit dry and uninspiring but at least it’s a handy 2E rules reference in a single softcover book.
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Oct 31, 2017 21:32
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Yeah don't buy ACKS, the creator is a white nationalist
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Oct 31, 2017 22:23
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Adventurer Conqueror King is B/X with more classes, and a skill system (typical of its kind, so with all the benefits and annoyances such a thing brings). Its main selling point is a focus on the D&D "endgame", the idea of progressing past the looting stage to command of armies and the like. As part of that, it has a big economic focus, and this manifests itself all over the place. For example, the book removes or alter spells that woul break a medieval economy or radically transform the world in ways fantasy games tend to overlook (e.g. permanent light, low-level and permanent animate dead, readily accessible raise dead). There's a lot of stuff about spell research and its costs, and how the characters can invest money, and how goods or specialists are available, and how the PCs interact with all this. Then there's further books that add mass combat rules, again because the game is interested in the big time, but in a "realistic" (i.e. non-gonzo) fashion. If all that interests you, I'd recommend it. If not, there's better plain-jane B/X clones out there, and a lot of clones that emulate a genre or some other ruleset or what have you rather than focusing on the endgame.
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Oct 31, 2017 22:28
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Comrade Koba posted:For Gold & Glory is a free 2E retroclone. I’ve got the print version, it’s a bit dry and uninspiring but at least it’s a handy 2E rules reference in a single softcover book. Mission accomplished!
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Serf posted:macris is a gamergate/maga chud subhuman, so i wouldn't recommend buying his poo poo Guy might be a complete choad but the game is good enough that I'm willing to ignore that, honestly I try to ignore the politics surrounding people in this industry unless it seeps into their work directly(indeed I apply that to entertainment in general because it limits you too much otherwise)
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Oct 31, 2017 23:03
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drrockso20 posted:Guy might be a complete choad but the game is good enough that I'm willing to ignore that, honestly I try to ignore the politics surrounding people in this industry unless it seeps into their work directly(indeed I apply that to entertainment in general because it limits you too much otherwise) you gotta set a boundary somewhere. peep the man's twitter sometime and see if you still feel comfortable recommending people give their money to him
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Oct 31, 2017 23:08
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Serf posted:you gotta set a boundary somewhere. peep the man's twitter sometime and see if you still feel comfortable recommending people give their money to him As I said, guy's a creep, but since it doesn't leak into ACKS I honestly couldn't give a gently caress
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Oct 31, 2017 23:20
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. The guy seems like scum from what I've been told, but I'm not losing sleep over the fact that I probably bought him a machiatto through royalties; he doesn't rant about SJWs in his books that I've noticed, so they're their own thing. I'm not throwing out Chinatown because Polanski's a pedo creep either.
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Oct 31, 2017 23:25
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and people wonder why america is just now trying to figure out if nazis are bad or not
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Oct 31, 2017 23:25
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Dude put art of Vox Day slaughtering "SJWs" in one of his books lol
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alg posted:Dude put art of Vox Day slaughtering "SJWs" in one of his books lol What? In which one?
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Oct 31, 2017 23:26
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Thanks for the recommendations! For Gold & Glory looks right up my street, so I'll grab that when my wallet recovers from the Halloween sale. I actually bought ACKS ages ago, didn't know he was a Nazi, that sucks. I thought the concept was really cool but then I read it and realised I'd never be able to get my friends to go for it. With all these endorsements though I'll see if I can give it a go somehow.
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HerraS posted:and people wonder why america is just now trying to figure out if nazis are bad or not have you ever considered that giving them money is okay because they happen to keep it on the down-low? surely financing their ability to keep spewing hateful nazi poo poo so long as it never enters their books is cool and good.
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Serf posted:have you ever considered that giving them money is okay because they happen to keep it on the down-low? surely financing their ability to keep spewing hateful nazi poo poo so long as it never enters their books is cool and good. If it's not entering his books, how are you financing his ability to put it in them in the first place? Anyone can blather on twitter for free. How is he spending his money to promote Nazism?
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Oct 31, 2017 23:40
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Xotl posted:If it's not entering his books, how are you financing his ability to put it in them in the first place? Anyone can blather on twitter for free. by continuing to draw good air into his nazi lungs, oxygenating his nazi blood and then passing that dirtied air over his nazi vocal cords to say nazi poo poo
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Oct 31, 2017 23:42
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I can't tell if this is a serious post.
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Oct 31, 2017 23:48
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Let's not varnish the subject. It's not like you are buying consumer goods and it happens that certain CEOs involved in the manufacturing chain hold depraved political viewpoints, you're giving money to a Nazi in an already-saturated hobby market because you don't give a gently caress.
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Nov 1, 2017 00:03
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How big does a hobby need to be that dickweeds occupying hobbyist spaces stops being a problem, anyway? "Oh but they’re only racist on Twitter, not at our weekly underwater basketweaving rehearsal." I mean, "voting with your wallet" is an actual thing in this postmodern capitalist hellscape we live in, not just a turn of phrase. By buying the dude's book you're sending a fairly clear message that says "hey I like your books, please stick around this hobby of mine and make more books". Siivola fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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To be fair, the majority of his cash goes towards his wife's fibromyalgia medical and other bills. He's definitely not a Nazi or overtly racist in any way I've encountered, but he's an eloquent Ayn Rand adherent and a bit of a perv. Not "handsy" to my knowledge luckily, more along the lines of "you should wear heels more often" (not that that's great). Hi, I played the rogue (Viktir) and a fighter that was reincarnated as a centaur (Morne) in the ACKS home campaign - though before that we mainly played Cyberpunk(and sometimes other flavors of D&D), and will say that the sketchiest part of his personality that made it into ACKS is probably Bladedancers(almost always chosen by our female players) and the mortal wound result that makes your hair continually grow. Nothing overly political or pervy ever happened in play other then some Conan "best in life" stylistic fetishism, but we were mostly co-workers as well. Anyway, if you have any questions about early ACKS or Macris as a DM(he also ran Modern Spearhead for us a few times), I'll try to answer from my perspective. I respect not wanting to give his libertarian causes funding, but he definitely has been a loyal friend to many who needed it without stipulation, from all across the various genetic & social spectrums - and his personal funding is mostly going to medical bills for someone who can barely leave her room. I'm not stating this for pity or to encourage sales, but to say that there is more depth to someone's character then what you see as a third party, and that creative work can be worthwhile apart from its main contributor. That all being said, his recent career decisions have put a strain on many things and people, and despite his medical bills justification, have burned up a lot of what good will remained with those around him. Personally I only see him at our 5e game (another DM) these days when he's not traveling, and he's usually pretty stressed and worn down if that helps anyone's animus RubberBands Hurt fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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On the other hand, he works for loving Milo and gave Pundit and a bunch of other people platforms to dogwhistle like loving hell about the "end of Western society" or whatever white nationalists are saying as their code words today. Like he might be "just" a libertarian but he's an ally for and supporter of far, far worse if that's true.
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Siivola posted:How big does a hobby need to be that dickweeds occupying hobbyist spaces stops being a problem, anyway? "Oh but they’re only racist on Twitter, not at our weekly underwater basketweaving rehearsal." The thing is I legitimately love ACKS as a game, I feel it's a really well made game
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Arivia posted:On the other hand, he works for loving Milo and gave Pundit and a bunch of other people platforms to dogwhistle like loving hell about the "end of Western society" or whatever white nationalists are saying as their code words today. Like he might be "just" a libertarian but he's an ally for and supporter of far, far worse if that's true. Yeah, libertarian in the sense of "they offered me an insane amount of money" - but he sure seems to be value-adding to that "organization". On the other hand, I do get to hear about things like Milo crying about how he's being put on a strict budget because he's not making money and trashing hotel rooms. 
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Xotl posted:What? In which one? A barbarian one http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/03/dark-lord-character-class.html?m=1 Let's be clear here, Alexander Macris is not a good person. He thinks Vox Day is a good person and works for and supports white nationalists. There are far better games to support. Hopefully when the Escapist finally goes under ACKS will too.
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thorsilver posted:This looks pretty cool, and it's on sale at DriveThru for Halloween, so I think I'm gonna pick it up. For Gold & Glory was already mentioned as a direct AD&D 2e clone. OSRIC is the direct AD&D 1e clone. Advanced Edition Companion is a supplement/expansion for Labyrinth Lord that makes it largely compatible with AD&D rules, even if/though Labyrinth Lord was originally based on B/X. Castles & Crusades is an adaptation of AD&D within the 3rd Edition/d20 framework, so the mechanics largely resemble AD&D, but it uses ascending AC/BAB and whatnot.
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alg posted:There are far better games to support. Hopefully when the Escapist finally goes under ACKS will too. He doesn't work for Defy anymore, they laid off the entire Escapist office and he quit soon after
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RubberBands Hurt posted:Yeah, libertarian in the sense of "they offered me an insane amount of money" - but he sure seems to be value-adding to that "organization". On the other hand, I do get to hear about things like Milo crying about how he's being put on a strict budget because he's not making money and trashing hotel rooms. If this is your takeaway from him working for and supporting bigots, then obviously you're not a great source.
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Arivia posted:If this is your takeaway from him working for and supporting bigots, then obviously you're not a great source. There's a lot I would have to say to unravel the perspectives on this. What I am saying is that there's more to the person then what you know, and while there's plenty of reason to hate what he enables because he has a mercenary attitude regarding his skill set when everything good and fun about his life has disintigrated... The dude really just wants to full time DM. ACKS isn't what supports him, it's just him turning our house rules into something that might lead towards more tabletop work. What supports him is the hand behind Bnnon and Milo (who he knows from Bretbart after poking at the right-wing pageview nest) that told him they'd pay++ to make his wife's slow, wasting death to Fibromyalgia more tolerable and affordable if he can help Milo "troll people so hard" or teach them how to troll or something. I don't believe he's dragging his heels on actually doing his job right, which is what I'm trying to say with "libertarian", though not as some form of justification. It definitely bothers me, and is not something trivial in my life. His stuff with the Escapist GG contributors and interviews was primarily politicizing for pageviews by hosting the "opposing voice". I can't speak to the particular voices he chose, or his actual politics beyond pining for the Libertarian party. I do know at that point he was trying to stir up easy pageviews in political categories to tie into other Defy properties (everyjoe) Anyway, ACKS itself is fun and developed with a multiracial/gendered group, who mostly worked at the Escapist; and Alex played the monsters, which he was fairly good at. Buying or stealing it won't effect anything, other than encouraging him to spend more time on it then less savory interests. I could stab him in the kidneys though, would that help anything? RubberBands Hurt fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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"hey, give my nazi friend some money, surely that will make him less of a nazi"
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New OSR Bundle of Holding is up: https://bundleofholding.com/presents/OSR5 $12.50 gets you Johnstone Metzger's Nightmares Underneath and Kevin Crawford's Red Tide setting toolkit plus two books I'm not familiar with. Beating the $25 threshold gets you the Dragon Kings setting (basically Dark Sun) and Crawford's An Echo, Resounding.
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Relating the bundle to the earlier discussion in here, I’ve found that I get most of what I liked about ACKS, the domain management, from An Echo Resounding.
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Echoing the sentiment about "An Echo, Resounding". Great book and good structure, nice mechanisms and well made in a small package for a lot of issues. ACKS is humongously complex in comparison, but looks for a very different approach to it. Bundle would be nicer if Dragon Kings was more interesting. As it stands, its just a less interesting version of Dark Suns written with Pathfinder in mind :/
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An Echo Resounding is pretty cool. It goes about domain management from a completely different angle than ACKS, and there's advantages and disadvantages to both. For those of you not allergic to RPGsite links, I've found a neat thread where Crawford and Macris discuss at length the underlying basis of their systems and the strengths and weaknesses of each approach. It's a fun look at game design and starting premises. http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?21979-Domain-Management-in-ACK-vs-An-Echo-Resounding Does anyone have anything good to say about Nightmares Underneath?
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RubberBands Hurt posted:There's a lot I would have to say to unravel the perspectives on this. What I am saying is that there's more to the person then what you know, and while there's plenty of reason to hate what he enables because he has a mercenary attitude regarding his skill set when everything good and fun about his life has disintigrated... The dude really just wants to full time DM. ACKS isn't what supports him, it's just him turning our house rules into something that might lead towards more tabletop work.
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RubberBands Hurt posted:I could stab him in the kidneys though, would that help anything?
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Xotl posted:An Echo Resounding is pretty cool. It goes about domain management from a completely different angle than ACKS, and there's advantages and disadvantages to both. For those of you not allergic to RPGsite links, I've found a neat thread where Crawford and Macris discuss at length the underlying basis of their systems and the strengths and weaknesses of each approach. It's a fun look at game design and starting premises. I haven't had a chance to play it but it reads like it should be fun and there is a full free version to download so you can judge by yourself (the one in the bundle has art, the free one doesn't). Also, a Patrick Stuart review: http://falsemachine.blogspot.com/2017/04/a-review-of-nightmares-underneath-by.html
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I haven't had a chance to play it yet but, on reading, I really like it. It combines Basic D&D with elements of Dungeon World and Torchbearer. The setting is pretty neat, being more Middle Eastern, and provides an interesting explanation for exploring dungeons in the "Nightmare Incursions". Also, fighters always deal damage on a miss, and deal damage twice in a hit. There is a no-art version available for free (the art is very cool though).
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didn't someone FATAL & Friends Nightmares Underneath a while back? That or I'm confusing the game with something else
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If you want to give ACKS a try without giving money to nazi shitbiscuits, there’s always easily available  . It’s one of the most pirated retroclones, by the looks of it.
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