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Paul MaudDib posted:trump's lawyer is the same guy as his doctor but with a fake moustache The New York Times interviewed him (Ty Cobb) on Friday and he doesn’t sound like I imagined he would. He’s had that ’stache since he was nineteen. e: Dogge tax: 
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Noctone posted:It’ll be really funny ......the Republicans screw the pooch .......... They are morally inept.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:25
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quote:A new court filing Tuesday showed exactly what Manafort and Gates told banks and investigators about their net worths and travel histories over the past few years.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:26
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now consider that Trump is probably much less careful with his finances than Manafort and Gates were.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:29
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Holy poo poo I'm beginning to doubt even white collar prison's out of the question for him. Where'd the pepe lover go? Back to /td to brag about stdh?
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Nov 1, 2017 06:30
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Nov 1, 2017 06:48
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substitute posted:Happy Halloween to all the commie pinko scum! Whenever one of the Trump children says something I'm reminded of the billionaire villains children from Repo (Jared can be one of the sons I guess) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo1Hl4DFUwQ Super duper not safe for work.
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Nov 1, 2017 06:58
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Apparently the whole breaking client-attorney privileged thing is very, very narrow. They only got to ask seven specific questions. They're just making sure Manafort can't use the excuse "My lawyer told me to fill out the forms that way! But you can't ask her, that's privileged!". Now his ex-lawyer has testified that Manafort knew what was on the forms and knew what it meant. If it's not true, they lied to her as well.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:01
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JasonV posted:Apparently the whole breaking client-attorney privileged thing is very, very narrow. They only got to ask seven specific questions. They're just making sure Manafort can't use the excuse "My lawyer told me to fill out the forms that way! But you can't ask her, that's privileged!". Now his ex-lawyer has testified that Manafort knew what was on the forms and knew what it meant. If it's not true, they lied to her as well. I asked my criminal lawyering wife about it. She says it's rare but usually involves the client being a loving moron and blabbering on about crimes in progress or something.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:09
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Paul MaudDib posted:trump's lawyer is the same guy as his doctor but with a fake moustache Some goon awhile ago asked why almost every ancillary character in this Trump debacle looks like a one-scene wonder in a Coen Brothers movie and I have to say that question only becomes more pertinent with time.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:09
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Mendrian posted:Given that people can read /pol/ for a couple of years and come out a screaming Nazi, the idea of 'online radicalization' seems a lot less ridiculous these days than it did five or ten years ago. I think it's an interesting political trend that /pol/ skews that way, but SA (which has a generally older userbase) leans left. Might just be that more goons are at the stage in life where they're strating to understand how hosed they are, and how mucheck more hosed they stand to get.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:24
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nwo hatchet man posted:I never claimed Islam is the only religion people commit violence for. But if you can't admit a vast majority of religious violence is done in its name, you are not arguing in good faith nwo hatchet man posted:Only one religion has members that keep doing this C'mon Son, put some effort into this. gently caress, beaten. It bares repeating though. We deserve better trolls.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:27
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Liquid Communism posted:I think it's an interesting political trend that /pol/ skews that way, but SA (which has a generally older userbase) leans left. Might just be that more goons are at the stage in life where they're strating to understand how hosed they are, and how mucheck more hosed they stand to get. It actually has to do with the fact that we ban bad posters so the people who were actually Nazis trying to convert us subtly were removed before they had any chance.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:35
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Zoro posted:It actually has to do with the fact that we ban bad posters so the people who were actually Nazis trying to convert us subtly were removed before they had any chance. There's also, and not to sound grandiose or anything, a pretty good culture on here. Yes, there are eccentrics, but people are expected to at least try to back up their claims, and not repeat old jokes or points.
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Nov 1, 2017 07:42
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Snowman_McK posted:There's also, and not to sound grandiose or anything, a pretty good culture on here. Yes, there are eccentrics, but people are expected to at least try to back up their claims, and not repeat old jokes or points. 
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Nov 1, 2017 07:47
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Lol if you don’t have a manservant named “Enrique” to repeat old jokes for you.
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There's a specific thread for it. Maybe I'm just extrapolating too much from soon after I started posting, where someone was probated for making a 'i for one welcome our alien overlords' joke.
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Nov 1, 2017 08:02
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Liquid Communism posted:I think it's an interesting political trend that /pol/ skews that way, but SA (which has a generally older userbase) leans left. Might just be that more goons are at the stage in life where they're strating to understand how hosed they are, and how mucheck more hosed they stand to get. SA is Lowtax's liberal think tank experiment. As for /pol/ anonymity+platform just brought out all the bad stuff people kept hidden in public. Turns out there were a lot more nazis around than we expected. This then bleeds into facebook where they find like minded people. I do think the whole "Let the mods do whatever" thing plays in a lot. Combined with the right mods I guess. I used to frequent a forum based around freedom of speech and the mods were all kept on a tight leash. Mods were just there to make sure that the posts were in the right forum and to protect the discussion. As long as a post was on topic then the mods protected it and calling out trolling would in turn earn probations. The forum then had a section where mods had to make a thread for each ban and each probation and explain the reason behind it. And another forum where people could appeal bans and probations. The result was that people would troll serious threads to death with on topic stuff and the mods would probate anyone who called them out on it. In fact the entire sub-forum dedicated to feminism was just 99% red pills circle jerking bad faith arguments about feminism and anyone who tried to have a serious discussion about for example feminist authors would get chased out.
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Nov 1, 2017 08:07
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Uh, Papadopoulos claimed the Trump campaign okayed a meeting with Russian representatives Acting on his own innitiative or not, if he's not lying here, Trump's people knew and approved his dealings, despite everybody I can think of denying any sort of communication with the Russians. And who's the National Chairman? --- And he forwarded "senior campaign officials" some of his communications with one of the Russian intermediaries (Foreign Contact 2)  And  --- Wonder who was explicitly informed, coordinated with him? Manafort, Kushner... Sessions? (I think there's a fairly large chance Trump himself would've known). e:Also why did he agree to a "voluntary interview" with the FBI and lie so, so much? Rinkles fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Nov 1, 2017 08:08
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Rinkles posted:e:Also why did he agree to a "voluntary interview" with the FBI and lie so, so much?
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Nov 1, 2017 08:13
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Whoever knew about her emails before that meeting is going to get hosed
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Nov 1, 2017 08:21
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Plans about what to do in the absolute immediate aftermath of Mueller getting shitcanned are in place. https://act.moveon.org/event/mueller-firing-rapid-response-events What follows that though? In the face of a straight up constitutional crisis, if Congress is unwilling to take direct action, we can't really be expected to sit around until 2018/2020 to get a new congress. I keep coming back to the idea of a general strike. Would that kind of direct action be appropriate? Feasible? Would it work?
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Nov 1, 2017 08:23
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DrHammond posted:Plans about what to do in the absolute immediate aftermath of Mueller getting shitcanned are in place. If the president lacks the authority to fire Mueller then how would he fire him? Does Mueller just not show up for work the next day?
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Nov 1, 2017 08:26
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Dejawesp posted:If the president lacks the authority to fire Mueller then how would he fire him? Does Mueller just not show up for work the next day? I'm no expert on the Executive Branch, but I'm pretty sure that Saturday Night Massacre pt. 2: Electric Boogaloo is still on the table. Am I missing something?
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Nov 1, 2017 08:39
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Jr dressed up as his dad.
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Nov 1, 2017 08:42
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Soldier, Soldier, cop. I assume the one in the background snuck in and photo bombed the event.
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Nov 1, 2017 08:44
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DrHammond posted:Plans about what to do in the absolute immediate aftermath of Mueller getting shitcanned are in place. how is this a constitutional crisis? congress still has the authority to impeach; they just choose not to. e: vvv dude how can you not understand roads??? awesmoe fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Nov 1, 2017 09:01
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Does a president have to be impeached prior to facing criminal charges? Can he be tried and convicted without being impeached first? Can we wind up with a wacky situation where the president is running the country from behind bars? Will I be the first to make an 'Orange is The New Orange' joke?
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Lawfare podcast came out yesterday and they, as lawyers, were absolutely flabbergasted that Manafort hasn't plead out already. He is, legally speaking, turbofucked. They have way more on him just in the opening salvo than the FBI usually manages to bring to bear against white collar crime, and he's old enough that he's basically looking at life in prison under even the most lenient sentencing. Any normal criminal would have started singing months ago. The three options they narrowed it down to are: A) he's 100% banking on being pardoned, B) he possibly doesn't have anything to trade to Mueller worth significantly reducing the time on what is a staggering array of possible crimes, and C) he's just that loving stupid. They also, interestingly, thought that this might not represent an attempt to flip Manafort but just Mueller cutting him loose to be charged because he doesn't need him anymore. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Nov 1, 2017 09:20
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Rinkles posted:Wonder who was explicitly informed, coordinated with him? Manafort, Kushner... Sessions? (I think there's a fairly large chance Trump himself would've known). WaPo has an article identifying some of the actors. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b381_story.html That lists these Trump people (that knew about Papadopoulos' Russia talks): Sam Clovis, Corey Lewandowski, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates --- But everyone on this photo should've known too:  Since he's supposed to have told everyone there   Sessions replying to Franken two weeks ago:
“I did not — and I’m not aware of anyone else that did. I don’t believe that it happened" Maybe he interpreted Papadopoulos differently or has a poor memory??
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Snowman_McK posted:There's also, and not to sound grandiose or anything, a pretty good culture on here. Yes, there are eccentrics, but people are expected to at least try to back up their claims, and not repeat old jokes or points. Agreed, now heres point 47,328 on why nothing matters.
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hiddenmovement posted:Does a president have to be impeached prior to facing criminal charges? Can he be tried and convicted without being impeached first? History Fun Fact: Eugene Debs was the Socialist candidate for president in 1920, despite being imprisoned for sedition at the time. Still got a bigger percentage of the vote than Gary Johnson or Jill Stein did in 2016.
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What's stopping them from claiming that all of this is just regular foreign policy talks about Russia. Unrelated to corruption and the campaign. On Trumps part anyway. Also I'd like to know more about the practical aspect of firing Mueller uf Trump lacks the authority to do it. Who pulls the actual triggers? Does his passcodes stop working? Do the security guards deny him entry? Rinkles posted:WaPo has an article identifying some of the actors.
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wow this is hosed, especially the cop who keeps grinding his knee into the reporter's head while he's on the ground
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Dejawesp posted:What's stopping them from claiming that all of this is just regular foreign policy talks about Russia. Unrelated to corruption and the campaign. On Trumps part anyway. Well they've repeatedly denied any Russia connection, and mischaracterized Papadopoulos' involvement when his name came up before. They lied. Which on top of potentially spelling legal trouble in and of itself indicates they're probably hiding more. Papadopoulos' professor friend is the original link to the Clinton "dirt" (Papadopoulos knew about some manner of email hack months before the wikileaks releases). I wouldn't be surprised if there's a directly traceable lead from Papadopoulos communications to the Trump Tower meeting (the one w/ Kushner and Don jr) and that EMAILS! did come up.
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ascii genitals posted:wow this is hosed, especially the cop who keeps grinding his knee into the reporter's head while he's on the ground This bullshit makes me wish that officers would actually get charged with assault when they massively overuse force during an arrest. This guy is getting charged with resisting arrest because his arm wouldn't bend back all the way? If you watch the video, he put his hands behind his back the instant he knew he was getting arrested. Who am I kidding, though, they hardly ever get charged when they kill people.
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DrHammond posted:Plans about what to do in the absolute immediate aftermath of Mueller getting shitcanned are in place. That's the point that poo poo gets really bad. Like, 'riots in the streets in every major city' bad. 
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Liquid Communism posted:That's the point that poo poo gets really bad. Like, 'riots in the streets in every major city' bad. Except this wouldn't happen. At least not to the scale that it should be. Let's just hope there's not a major sportsball game on the night Trump fires Mueller.
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Charliegrs posted:Except this wouldn't happen. At least not to the scale that it should be. I think you're underestimating the impact, given that in order fire Mueller, Trump has to initiate what is effectively a new Saturday Night Massacre. He has to get an acting AG (due to Sessions' recusal) who will fall on their sword and find cause to fire Mueller, or revoke the Clinton-prosecution era regulations regarding cause then fire him, leaving him with his party in congress seeing the pitchforks and torches coming out among their own base if they don't act. He could attempt to fire Mueller directly, but at that point both Mueller and the DOJ can contest the firing and take it into litigation. Nothing on the planet short of the piss tape being played at the Super Bowl is more likely to get Trump impeached than that litigation. Most of the public hates Congress right now. As in the next approval ratings have a fair chance of reaching single digits, without something as brazen as trying to fire Mueller before he brings charges against the cabinet.
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